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"Fine wine" moniker is maybe over-stretched but this statement has some truth. Maybe today this moniker is not so plausible but with R300 (Radeon 9700, my favourite graphic card ever) it was the truth. Radeon was almost always cheaper and better alternative to me than GeForce, meaning I could get more run for money. nVIDIA many times crippled their middle range cards while their stronger and future proof cards were expensive. So from gaming perspective, I was geting more with Radeon than GeForce.

One of the reasons I switched to nVIDIA from time to time or almost exclusively was better driver support including binary blob driver on Linux. Speaking of which, if you use FreeBSD or Solaris you have nVIDIA driver support for those OS's unlike ATi/AMD although I think AMD gave more love to Linux than ATi.
AMD is on with open source (Linux)
 
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  • The Radeon Software overlay sometimes stops to display. Using the shortcut key still grabs focus, but it does not show up ingame.
I've got similar problem. If I try to open Radeon Software from tray or from shortcut, nothing happens and consequently overlay (Ctrl+Shift+O) don't work.

I need to log-out or restart to be able to open Radeon Software and than overlay also works.

AMD is on with open source (Linux)
True, open source Radeon drivers are better than nVIDIA's and Intel is among the best with support with their open source drivers, they even got their own distro, Clear Linux.
 
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"Fine wine" moniker is maybe over-stretched but this statement has some truth.
The argument has mostly been used to argue that AMD's cards somehow get better over time, both performance wise and stability wise. But those people are usually ignoring that Nvidia's cards also get driver improvements throughout their lifecycle, and some of the single largest performance uplifts has come from Nvidia.

nVIDIA many times crippled their middle range cards while their stronger and future proof cards were expensive. So from gaming perspective, I was geting more with Radeon than GeForce.
How precisely have Nvidia crippled their mid-range cards?

One of the reasons I switched to nVIDIA from time to time or almost exclusively was better driver support including binary blob driver on Linux. Speaking of which, if you use FreeBSD or Solaris you have nVIDIA driver support for those OS's unlike ATi/AMD although I think AMD gave more love to Linux than ATi.
Speaking as someone who has been doing OpenGL development for way more than a decade, I do have a fairly good impression of how robust the various drivers are, both under "normal" use and during "mistreatment". I honestly have to say that Nvidia's driver is in a different league than AMD, and I wouldn't even consider running AMD cards in workstations for development purposes, that's just too many crashes and corruption issues to be productive.

AMD have to this day not added stable support for OpenGL 3.x/4.x, and shader issues and random glitches are still prevalent, and this is for the proprietary one, the "open source" one is much worse…
 
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I'm on the newest Radeon drivers and I have no issues to report. I personally think many people are blowing this driver issue out of proportion. Especially on Reddit where most of the issues are from overclocked Ram (Black Screens) and overclocked CPU (Screen Flickering). Sure the drivers seem to be unstable for some, but these things need a total uninstall and a fresh install. At the same time, AMD needs to work on driver stability, though I like the extra feature set in the new drivers, stick to stability as much as possible AMD so the drivers won't react to hardware so strictly.
Then again, the same happens to Nvidia, as going on to the Nvidia forums & on Reddit, there's loads of driver complaints and stability issues.

How precisely have Nvidia crippled their mid-range cards?
Forgot the actual driver numbers but there were 4 to 5 driver updates that not only crippled Nvidia GPU's but also literally bricked them. Not all of them, but they were drivers from hell lol,
 
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I'm on the newest Radeon drivers and I have no issues to report. I personally think many people are blowing this driver issue out of proportion. Especially on Reddit where most of the issues are from overclocked Ram (Black Screens) and overclocked CPU (Screen Flickering). Sure the drivers seem to be unstable for some, but these things need a total uninstall and a fresh install. At the same time, AMD needs to work on driver stability, though I like the extra feature set in the new drivers, stick to stability as much as possible AMD so the drivers won't react to hardware so strictly.
Then again, the same happens to Nvidia, as going on to the Nvidia forums & on Reddit, there's loads of driver complaints and stability issues.


Forgot the actual driver numbers but there were 4 to 5 driver updates that not only crippled Nvidia GPU's but also literally bricked them. Not all of them, but they were drivers from hell lol,
Lets not forget fried gpus, detonators?
 
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Well, my flicker were with freesync on, but as for now, with these driver, I have no issue at all. I have an Asus Strix RX5700.
Update.. I have upgraded the driver last night. It was the 20.1.3 I have found on AMD website. I installed the new driver and I have noticed that they fix or attempted to resolve the flickering issues according to AMD Fix's information. Well I installed it and I have less screen flickering so far, while playing fallout 4 last night. It's flicker once or twice but I managed to finally play hours later. But I'm still not completely convenient the Flickering screen won't come back again like before updates. I also just purchased full fan replacement for this XFX 570 on eBay. Since I have one wolbleing fan it's also getting hot 192.00 degrees Fahrenheit or 89.0 degrees Celsius. I hope these new replacements will help me with my over heating issues. It's very strange that sometimes it will over heat and sometimes it won't while playing games or movies.
 

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AMD is on with open source (Linux)
Kind of. They have 3D acceleration figured out, but if you want OpenCL, you still need the closed driver (there's an open source alternative, I think, but it's not from AMD). I'm not sure whether they figured out HDMI audio yet. Also, new cards are usually supported in unreleased/just released Mesa versions, which means users of most distros are out of luck. Fixable with the help of a PPA/EPEL, but still, not to everyone's taste.
 
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Also, new cards are usually supported in unreleased/just released Mesa versions, which means users of most distros are out of luck. Fixable with the help of a PPA/EPEL, but still, not to everyone's taste.
One of the few stupid things about Linux is the bundling of drivers in the kernel build. So running any newer Mesa versions usually involves a lot of manual labor, either a different kernel, compiling stuff yourself or similar, with potential avalanche of bugs and stability issues from going to custom route. Even for a typical Linux user (which is way above a "normal" PC user in competence), it's a pain just to get a few Steam games working on anything but the (proprietary) binary drivers.
 

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One of the few stupid things about Linux is the bundling of drivers in the kernel build. So running any newer Mesa versions usually involves a lot of manual labor, either a different kernel, compiling stuff yourself or similar, with potential avalanche of bugs and stability issues from going to custom route. Even for a typical Linux user (which is way above a "normal" PC user in competence), it's a pain just to get a few Steam games working on anything but the (proprietary) binary drivers.
I think drivers can be put in the kernel or loaded on demand and that's something you specify when building the kernel. That said, I don't know if Mesa also works like that. And I have well beyond 10 years of experience with Linux, which pretty much proves your point.
 
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Hello. Does anyone know about Graphic Card ATI Brand? And how good are theses cards.? I have seen them on the internet.
 
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Hello. Does anyone know about Graphic Card ATI Brand? And how good are theses cards.? I have seen them on the internet.
Hello. This is not the thread for asking this question.

ATI was bought out by AMD several years ago... their cards are fine, but due to their age, they won't be playing many of today's titles.

This thread isn't for troubleshooting your PC or asking about ATI cards. Start your own thread asking about the card, your troubles, power supply etc...
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Hello. This is not the thread for asking this question.

ATI was bought out by AMD several years ago... their cards are fine, but due to their age, they won't be playing many of today's titles.

This thread isn't for troubleshooting your PC or asking about ATI cards. Start your own thread asking about the card, your troubles, power supply etc...
:)
Sorry for asking for me asking Questions or commenting. thanks again.
 
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Hello. Does anyone know about Graphic Card ATI Brand? And how good are theses cards.? I have seen them on the internet.
Bwahahaha ! atleast someone brought you up to speed ! :)
 
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How precisely have Nvidia crippled their mid-range cards?
nVIDIA's business practice (because they can and can afford it because they have large market share and popularity, they are like Intel of GPU world) is to deliberately gimp their cards so you need to buy more expensive card if you don't want to replace it to fast.

In old times, let's say Vanta vs TNT or M64 vs TNT2. In recent times, 3.5 GB VRAM fiasco with GTX 970, different perfomance of graphic cards of same chip depending on amount of VRAM or something.
Or being cheapskate with VRAM, while on Radeon you could get 4GB, nVIDIA was putting 2GB on their counterpart. So your Radeon with 4GB would be more future proof than GeForce with 2GB if you want higher details.

Speaking as someone who has been doing OpenGL development for way more than a decade, I do have a fairly good impression of how robust the various drivers are, both under "normal" use and during "mistreatment". I honestly have to say that Nvidia's driver is in a different league than AMD, and I wouldn't even consider running AMD cards in workstations for development purposes, that's just too many crashes and corruption issues to be productive.

AMD have to this day not added stable support for OpenGL 3.x/4.x, and shader issues and random glitches are still prevalent, and this is for the proprietary one, the "open source" one is much worse…
I know that OpenGL driver on GeForce or Quadro is well known for its stability and perfomance. Some are saying because of hacks or tricks while ATi/AMD was/is following strictly OpenGL standard.

I wouldn't even consider running AMD cards in workstations for development purposes, that's just too many crashes and corruption issues to be productive.
Mac Pro is using AMD's Pro line of graphic cards, they propably fixed those issues because it's to expensive product to be a joke, or not?
 
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nVIDIA's business practice (because they can and can afford it because they have large market share and popularity, they are like Intel of GPU world) is to deliberately gimp their cards so you need to buy more expensive card if you don't want to replace it to fast.

In old times, let's say Vanta vs TNT or M64 vs TNT2. In recent times, 3.5 GB VRAM fiasco with GTX 970, different perfomance of graphic cards of same chip depending on amount of VRAM or something.
Or being cheapskate with VRAM, while on Radeon you could get 4GB, nVIDIA was putting 2GB on their counterpart. So your Radeon with 4GB would be more future proof than GeForce with 2GB if you want higher details.



I know that OpenGL driver on GeForce or Quadro is well known for its stability and perfomance. Some are saying because of hacks or tricks while ATi/AMD was/is following strictly OpenGL standard.



Mac Pro is using AMD's Pro line of graphic cards, they propably fixed those issues because it's to expensive product to be a joke, or not?
Ironically the (somewhat recent) card for which this counted most was the high end HD7970 with its 3GB which lasted exceptionally long, compared to high end Kepler cards. Most of the time though, the card's performance goes obsolete right along with its VRAM. You're not wrong though, Nvidia is definitely tight on their VRAM balance and especially in the mid range you do find shitty capacities. The 1060 3GB is such an example, being rather similar to a 7970 but merely 2,5-3 years ago and not seven. Meanwhile, VRAM capacity requirements have soared. In some ways the 1050 with its 4GB is a more future proof choice.

The 970 was actually quite ahead of its time with the 4GB VRAM, albeit only 3.5GB was practically usable, it was still 'enough' for the card's performance. Until you really stretch it on SLI, but even then, Nvidia can play smart driver tricks, the card remained a decent performer post launch.

But its not just 'business practice' in the sense of business and money. The tight VRAM constraints of Nvidia cards have positive side effects: VRAM needs to be handled efficiently so you get a tighter driver regime (the response to VRAM problems is extremely quick most of the time, Nvidia knows its walking a fine line, clearly) because otherwise products simply don't work as advertised, which is a problem. You also get more and earlier progress on compression tech. Delta compression is still ahead of the curve @ green. And the result of thát is that they can make do with a smaller bus which leaves a bigger power budget for the core.

I'm not so sure one or the other approach is 'better', really. But yes, in the lower half of the midrange, you really gotta be careful with Nvidia cards. Not in the least because they have all sorts of memory across the stack, and its definitely a way to cap the performance for cheaper cards.
 
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Just bought a XFX 5700 xt THicc. So scare now.
 
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nVIDIA's business practice (because they can and can afford it because they have large market share and popularity, they are like Intel of GPU world) is to deliberately gimp their cards so you need to buy more expensive card if you don't want to replace it to fast.<snip> In recent times, 3.5 GB VRAM fiasco with GTX 970, different perfomance of graphic cards of same chip depending on amount of VRAM or something.
Not quite true, GTX 970 turned out to be the greatest buy of the Maxwell generation, it performed very close to GTX 980 at a much lower price, especially the AiB versions were a steal. And it did in fact have 4 GB RAM, the last 512 MB were just slower, but not that it really mattered, as the card would in most cases run into other bottlenecks first. GTX 970 beat GTX 960, GTX 980 and GTX 980 Ti in performance per Gflop, so in terms of resource balancing it was the most balanced of them all.

Or being cheapskate with VRAM, while on Radeon you could get 4GB, nVIDIA was putting 2GB on their counterpart. So your Radeon with 4GB would be more future proof than GeForce with 2GB if you want higher details.
It all depends on which card you (selectively) compare.
Future-proofing have been a selling argument for GCN cards since the start, with many buyers waiting for years until their Radeon card to finally beat Nvidia's counterpart, but it never happens, except for edge cases.

You select cards based on a representative selection of games at the time of purchase. Any attempt to guess which card will scale 5% better than the other 2-3 years down the line is bound to fail, and by that time it wouldn't matter anyway, since you will buy a replacement.

I know that OpenGL driver on GeForce or Quadro is well known for its stability and perfomance. Some are saying because of hacks or tricks while ATi/AMD was/is following strictly OpenGL standard.
OpenGL have two profiles; core and compatibility. Nvidia is a bit more permissive in compatibility mode, e.g. allowing HLSL syntax in shaders (since the shader core in Nvidia's driver is the same anyway), but this is not giving extra performance or stability. Most client software have to use the core profile anyway, since certain drivers don't run compatibility at all.

AMD is the one struggling with conformance.

Mac Pro is using AMD's Pro line of graphic cards, they propably fixed those issues because it's to expensive product to be a joke, or not?
AMD's OpenGL 2.1 support is fairly stable, it's the 3.x and 4.x stuff they struggle with.
But remember that OS X lacks the recent OpenGL versions, and are now in the process of deprecating it anyway, so Mac Pro is not using AMD cards for OpenGL…
 
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nVIDIA's business practice (because they can and can afford it because they have large market share and popularity, they are like Intel of GPU world) is to deliberately gimp their cards so you need to buy more expensive card if you don't want to replace it to fast.
Oh dear, this idiotic "argument" again. I think you should run back to /r/AMD, you'll feel much more comfortable there with all the other fanboys incapable of individual thought.
 
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My brother decided to go the AMD route when the 780Ti died on him and picked up a 5700XT over the RTX 2060. He's had the card just for about 7-8 weeks now, got it installed and is using a driver just before 20.1.1 released (probably some 19.12.2 or 19.12.3 driver). He had issues with whatever the most recent driver was for the card at the time he got it, but he went back to the one previous to it and it works just fine.

He said he wasn't going to bother changing the driver unless he had issues playing a game.

Overall, he's pretty happy with it. The card gives better performance over my 980Ti (so he's excited to have a GPU that's finally better than what I have) and he can max any game out on his 1080p monitor.
 
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Lindatje, thanks for sharing the link on the current dying nvidia g-card problem, I just helped out a friend or shared it with him struggling with his card.
 
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Lindatje, thanks for sharing the link on the current dying nvidia g-card problem, I just helped out a friend or shared it with him struggling with his card.
Current problem? My friend, this blew over a year ago. If this was still an issue, surely youd see fanboys/the whole amd crew still out in force over it. If their Bulldogs arent chomping at the bit...


@Ryzen_7 - Nvidia was proven not to gimp performance on older cards.. please stop with that FUD.
 
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Current problem? My friend, this blew over a year ago.


@Ryzen_7 - Nvidia was proven not to gimp performance on older cards.. please stop with that FUD.
But it's such a nice story... And a hate one at that.
 
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Well he is not in EU or US maybe he can just inform the supplier, at least get a refund.
 
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