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I don't disagree with that - I'm just trying to see the equation from the perspective of cost. Market penetration and acceptedness are not reasons to increase prices at this rate, nor is RT capability or DLSS, which have been there since Turing.Absolut performance advantage, DLSS3, superior RT capabilities, much bigger market penatrestion and general better acceptness world-wide aka more demend, CUDA cores for professional uses.
AMD`s chuplet\MCM and GPU core structure give you as an end user nothing just as the node it is manufactured on give you nothing. It is just an approche to get more preformance. On the other hand DLSS3 give you a lot and so do tensor cores givs you strong RT preformance. If you need it or not is not-relevant to the discussion- the point is that those are things that the end user actually see and can measure its impact when on or off.
You only increase product prices if either your costs increase, or if you want to increase profit margins. Cost AFAIK, comes mainly from R&D, manufacturing and logistics. As I said, Nvidia has done very little that is visible to me in their R&D of Ada, so I see no increase in cost there. Manufacturing, as you pointed out, is more expensive on a smaller node for a die of equal size, but AD103 is much smaller than GA102, so it shouldn't be much more expensive to manufacture. Logistics is the same as ever, fuel prices are nearly back to pre-covid times, so I see no cost increase there, either. Besides, if there was any, that would affect other companies, too.
All in all, there is nothing about the 4080 itself that justifies its price.
Then how can AMD launch the 7900 XTX on the same MSRP as they did the 6900 XT?It`s is less than twice as small (314 will be twice ) and as I said those are 2019 prices (see buttom right). add 20-30% (or even more) for today 4nm.
NV do use smaller die area and that's how they makes more money + they charge extra more on top of that. No denying that.
All I said is when factoring silicone price increase, thet is not NV doing in any way, you see that this 300% more that`s been claimed is actually less.
Also, that why you can`t expect the gradual linear increase like we saw in the past. With next gen at 2/3nm we will see yet further exponential increase, maybe in a bigger order than today (Power of 3 insted of 2 for example).
So to bring the non-relevant past (that is linear increase) as a claim for today is null.
To sum it up: The rate of increase is getting bigger and that rate also increases (see "jerk"- the rate of increase in acceleration).
The past is getting less and less relevant for the present when you try to understand current prices.