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Huawei Desktop PC with Kunpeng 920 Processor Teased and Tested

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Huawei has been readying the entire new breed of desktop PCs with a custom motherboard, custom processor, and even a custom operating system. Being that Huawei plans to supply Chinese government institutions with these PCs, it is logical to break away from US-made technology due to security reasons. And now, thanks to the YouTube channel called "二斤自制" we have the first look at the new PC system. Powered by Huawei D920S10 desktop motherboard equipped with Kunpeng 920 7 nm Arm v8 processor with 8 cores, the PC was running the 64-bit UOS operating system, which is a Chinese modification of Linux. In the test, the PC was assembled by a third-party provider and it featured 16 GB of 2666 MHz DDR4 memory and 256 GB SSD.

The YouTube channel put it to test and in the Blender BMW render test, it has finished in 11 minutes and 47 seconds, which is quite slow. The system reportedly managed to stream 4K content well but has struggled with local playback thanks to poor encoding. Being that it runs a custom OS with a custom processor, app selection is quite narrow. The app store for the PC is accessible only if you pay an extra 800 Yuan (~$115), while the mentioned system will set you back 7,500 Yuan (~$1,060). At the heart of this system is eight-core, eight threaded Kunpeng 920 2249K processor. It features a clock speed of 2.6 GHz, has 128K of L1 cache (64K instruction cache and 64K data cache), 512K of L2, and 32 MB of L3 cache.


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Does this foreshadow the performance of the ARM architecture in the desktop segment?
 
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I tested an i7-2600 at 15:04.55 in the BMW render. So these chips are quite a few years behind still but at least they're starting to catch up.
If this goes anything like the car industry, we will be looking for Chinese cpu's sooner rather then later.
 
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What I find exceedingly bizarre is that looks to be a huge chip possibly the same 64 core chip but cut down to just 8 cores. Why ?

Does this foreshadow the performance of the ARM architecture in the desktop segment?
Sadly, it seems like it. And keep in mind this is running native ARM instructions.

If this goes anything like the car industry, we will be looking for Chinese cpu's sooner rather then later.
Not many cars produced in China are sold outside of China. In fact, practically none are.
 
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Woh that is slow. Ryzen 8 cores is 4 times faster...
 
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What I find exceedingly bizarre is that looks to be a huge chip possibly the same 64 core chip but cut down to just 8 cores. Why ?

Sadly, it seems like it. And keep in mind this is running native ARM instructions.

Not many cars produced in China are sold outside of China. In fact, practically none are.
not yet, but its a matter of time, there are cars build in china and rebadged to be sent to other countries, its already happening.
but a (short) matter of time before there are waaay more considering how fast they are moving with that.

and obviously a processor or motherboard is a much easier thing to export then cars.
 
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not yet, but its a matter of time, there are cars build in china and rebadged to be sent to other countries, its already happening.
I don't know, people said that 10 years ago and it still hasn't happened. Their own cars are kind of appalling from what I read so I don't know who would buy them.
 
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Sadly, it seems like it. And keep in mind this is running native ARM instructions.

Not many cars produced in China are sold outside of China. In fact, practically none are.
Does not matter if they don't sell out side China now, they will in the future and sooner than you think.

China are closing in on 1.5 billion people [USA+EU together only have half the population of China] so it is a massive market, when they catch up in CPU tech they will be a force to recon with for real.

It is easy to dismiss China today BUT with their resent insane investments in memory, nand, cpu and ai we will start to feel the ripples of Chinese tech out in the world by 2025 and by 2030 they will be one of the dominating forces in the world market.

Note that Chinese investment in these areas have been very low in the past BUT now with Trump screwing with the Chinese these past couple of years the Chinese have realized that they cannot be reliant on US tech and increased their investments a thousand fold to make them self's independent as soon as possible.

What Trump's ego did was to wake the sleeping dragon and now there is no way to put it back to sleep.
 
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Whether ASML should be allowed to sell EUV scanners to China may be a geopolitical hot-button issue, the company itself is rather indifferent on it. Its scanners will sell out one way or another.

Arguably, 2019 was an outstanding year for ASML. After two decades of development, EUV-made chips finally started powering electronic devices. The first full-fledged EUV scanners were shipped and EUV bookings now constitute half of ASML’s order book (in terms of dollars). The company grew 8 percent, despite the semiconductor equipment industry as a whole registering an overall decline of 10 percent. And net sales – yet again – set a record.

None of this seemed of particular interest to the journalists who attended the annual results press conference on Wednesday. They made the trip to Veldhoven for one reason and one reason only: the US-Chinese power play over ASML’s EUV technology. With both the US and Chinese ambassador to the Netherlands weighing in, the issue has been dominating the news recently.

CEO Peter Wennink was a good sport about it, though. None of the press material issued in advance mentioned the awkward circumstance the company finds itself in, and Wennink didn’t say anything about it during his presentation. But once the floor was opened to questions and the elephant in the room was addressed, he presented his arguments on why the issue doesn’t impact his company all that much – despite the involvement of two superpowers.

“EUV is a driver of so many technologies that we can be sure there will be demand for the chips around the world. If for whatever reason we’re not allowed to sell EUV systems to China, another company will jump in to satisfy the demand. We’ll just ship to that company. It doesn’t matter to us where the chips are manufactured,” Wennink explained. In other words, ASML doesn’t expect to lose a single order. “Financially, the impact is zero.”

Geopolitical arena
Wennink stressed that the risk of the Chinese using an EUV system to steal the technology is nil. “We’re the only company in the world capable of making these systems. What do you think would happen if we catch them trying to copy it?” Wennink countered. The scanners themselves are well-protected, he assured, with ASML crews surrounding it 24/7 and sensors alerting Veldhoven even if someone removes a panel.

Should the Chinese want to give it a try anyway: good luck to them. Wennink cited the (in high tech well-known) story of a Chinese university that took apart an ASML scanner years ago, copied every single part to assemble a new machine, yet never succeeded in getting it to work. “We’re a systems integrator in a collaborative knowledge network. Our knowledge is in the minds of people, not in patents.”

So indeed, should the Dutch government OK the export license to China, ASML will be more than happy to ship the scanner. And if it shouldn’t, that’s fine too. In essence, Wennink tried to divert the spotlight away from his company and towards the geopolitical arena. Let governments worry about it, we have work to do.


 

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Does not matter if they don't sell out side China now, they will in the future and sooner than you think.

China are closing in on 1.5 billion people [USA+EU together only have half the population of China] so it is a massive market, when they catch up in CPU tech they will be a force to recon with for real.

It is easy to dismiss China today BUT with their resent insane investments in memory, nand, cpu and ai we will start to feel the ripples of Chinese tech out in the world by 2025 and by 2030 they will be one of the dominating forces in the world market.

Note that Chinese investment in these areas have been very low in the past BUT now with Trump screwing with the Chinese these past couple of years the Chinese have realized that they cannot be reliant on US tech and increased their investments a thousand fold to make them self's independent as soon as possible.

What Trump's ego did was to wake the sleeping dragon and now there is no way to put it back to sleep.
Well dunno about there being that many any more, With this virus and the flooding and other shit said going on. No i am not saying they still don't have more people their still but.

Ya know i am going say no more.

What I find exceedingly bizarre is that looks to be a huge chip possibly the same 64 core chip but cut down to just 8 cores. Why ?



Sadly, it seems like it. And keep in mind this is running native ARM instructions.



Not many cars produced in China are sold outside of China. In fact, practically none are.
A blessing in disguise.
 
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Does this foreshadow the performance of the ARM architecture in the desktop segment?
No but with Arm Cortex X(1) they have every chance of getting close to if not overtaking the best of x86 chips in the lower power envelopes, laptops for instance. At TDP way above 15W we'll have to wait for Apple & other serious contenders to see how they fare in this market now dominated by Zen.
 

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Seems pretty slow but keep in mind it's a repurposed server chip and those semi-custom Taishan-v110 cores are based on the 5 year old A72 design.
So, probably not really representative of some upcoming modern desktop ARM chip.
 
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I don't know, people said that 10 years ago and it still hasn't happened. Their own cars are kind of appalling from what I read so I don't know who would buy them.
Lots of Chinese apparently, though it is important to note that as long as the gravy train passes enough $ down to the elites in China this so called trade war or nationalistic revolutionary movement towards homegrown solutions will not bear much fruit for the masses. Basically when there's money to be made on both sides, by elites & corporations, it doesn't matter (to them) whether they're selling you an Intel chip or a Chinese clone!
 
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7nm processor, actually from fabrication it looks pretty promising although we can't expect more for this one
 
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This seems like an attempt to make a bottom-of-the-barrel, low-end chinese knock-off copy of a mish-mashed first-gen ARM-based Mac and a cheap console machine all slapped together in one box...

Fortunately, Apple will do much better design, engineering and optimizations than these, but where this will lead is anyone's guess :)
 
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If this goes anything like the car industry, we will be looking for Chinese cpu's sooner rather then later.
The CPU core IP is actually British/Japanese, just licensed by a Chinese company...
 
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Does this foreshadow the performance of the ARM architecture in the desktop segment?
It might. ARM CPU's started out in the desktop environment(Acorn). It seems only fitting that they return there.
 
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But far, far more difficult to design (or in China's case, copy).
As above, the processor IP is still from ARM, which is a British/Japanese company.

Does not matter if they don't sell out side China now, they will in the future and sooner than you think.

China are closing in on 1.5 billion people [USA+EU together only have half the population of China] so it is a massive market, when they catch up in CPU tech they will be a force to recon with for real.

It is easy to dismiss China today BUT with their resent insane investments in memory, nand, cpu and ai we will start to feel the ripples of Chinese tech out in the world by 2025 and by 2030 they will be one of the dominating forces in the world market.

Note that Chinese investment in these areas have been very low in the past BUT now with Trump screwing with the Chinese these past couple of years the Chinese have realized that they cannot be reliant on US tech and increased their investments a thousand fold to make them self's independent as soon as possible.

What Trump's ego did was to wake the sleeping dragon and now there is no way to put it back to sleep.
China is also a LOT poorer than the US+EU, so the population doesn't matter. Go outside any of the big cities and people live like they did in the US and Europe close to 100 years ago.

China has what's known as the 3-5-2 program, which means that by 2021, they want 80% off all locally used computers, to be made from parts that have been produced in China, by Chinese companies.
However, I doubt China will be dominating anything outside of China, too many countries are suspicious of Chinese tech. If there are no buyers, how could they dominate anything?

They already have a ton of Chinese made CPUs, most of them have never seen the light outside Chinese government agencies.
 
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Lots of Chinese apparently
The point was that somehow they're going to end up selling a lot these cars outside of China. Which I don't believe.
 
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but has struggled with local playback thanks to poor encoding.
Don't hardware decoders come with the ARM's own Mali GPU implementations?

Not many cars produced in China are sold outside of China. In fact, practically none are.
The world doesn't end at the Mediterranean, my friend. Chinese auto mobiles are common in the Sahara, you wouldn't need to look twice to spot a BYD or a Geely. Quality-wise, they aren't far off Korean vehicles in the Sedan segment and bellow. Not German marvels, granted, but they do their job well at their price. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a market in sub-Saharan Africa (Given the huge Chinese presence in the region), and central and southern Asia as well.
Wouldn't be surprised if you started seeing them popping out in smaller EU markets in a few years.
 
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Chinese auto mobiles are common in the Sahara, you wouldn't need to look twice to spot a BYD or a Geely.
I saw locally produced cars well outside the bounds of Eastern Europe, that doesn't mean my country became a automotive colossus, they're still a spec of dust.
 
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I saw locally produced cars well outside the bounds of Eastern Europe, that doesn't mean my country became a automotive colossus, they're still a spec of dust.
Can't help but notice, why do you hate it so much when no one seems to be arguing with you on this matter? :)

And by the way, you might just be looking at your own geography.

Chinese cars are indeed slowly making its waves outside of China.

Just check at the Geely Coolray and the value you are getting for less than twice or more compared to its competition. Had I not bought the Jimny for my wife, I could have gotten her the Coolray instead, only that time it was not yet available at my location. Of course, durability and reliability are another topic, but hey, had I bought it, I probably bought it for what it is and I won't expect anything more (or less).
 
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The world doesn't end at the Mediterranean, my friend. Chinese auto mobiles are common in the Sahara, you wouldn't need to look twice to spot a BYD or a Geely. Quality-wise, they aren't far off Korean vehicles in the Sedan segment and bellow. Not German marvels, granted, but they do their job well at their price. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a market in sub-Saharan Africa (Given the huge Chinese presence in the region), and central and southern Asia as well.
Wouldn't be surprised if you started seeing them popping out in smaller EU markets in a few years.
That's a possibility, but still they have to break the korean-japanese holy grail of small cheap cars. Unless they step up their game with quality, I don't see that actually happening. Also, there are a lot of local brands that are part of multinational conglomerates, it's a tight market.
 
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