I just bought a scalpers 3080.. he he

[phanbuey]

Scalpers are just a way of the market to deal with excess demand and inefficient pricing/inadequate supply by the manufacturers. They are annoying, but we would be equally annoyed if manufacturers raised their MSRPs to that level when demand is high and their supply lines are struggling. I would rather the midmarket get the money than AMD/Nvidia/Intel anyways -- those people gouge much harder, we just don't see it as directly.

Also the market is nuts right now for everything, so your 2080ti will sell at the price you bought it...

Basically would have made very little difference net spend wise if you waited.

 

[rethcirE]

“Good things come to those who wait!”

“Comparison is the thief of joy.”

The lifespan of my current 2070 is still very long. Purchased in 2019, and I can see it being a relevant card out until 2022 honestly. My buddy is still gaming right along-side me with a Zotac 1080Ti with no complaints. Honestly I am pretty happy to have RTX card features, and the performance is well in-line with what I actually use the card for (1080p gaming).

I do believe the market/advertising “tricks” people into thinking their hardware is obsolete. Sponsored YT channels only really talk about “what’s next” and how if you don’t act now you’ll be behind the curb and potentially “never” get a card (or processor, or RAM, etc). It’s mostly irrelevant for those content to wait a year or more behind the trend to score good hardware at a discount.
If gaming hardware truly became as unobtainable as some say it will even a year or more after release I would simply switch my focus to another hobby (motorcycling, cycling, archery, competition shooting, the list goes on) and continue to wait it out. My Ace up the sleeve is never being forced into paying excessively for anything, I just switch gears to another fun thing.

 

[R00kie]

Are you gonna cap it to 75 fps again?

 

[trog100]

there is an old saying which goes.. "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" .. i have never really doubted the truth in this..

i am pretty certain that supply chain problems are gonna get worse.. prices on graphics cards are gonna go higher.. unobtainium is pretty expensive stuff..

i aint sure on the morality in any of this except to say that i dont think scalpers are scumbags just normal people selling something at a price they think its worth..

trog

 

[sepheronx]

In Canada memoryexpress still are selling nvidia 3000 gpu's and ryzen 5000 cpu's at uninflated prices.

they are?

Well, the only Nvidia GPU at uninflated prices are the Gigabyte Eagle cards and they are always sold out.

 

[Bones]

You can do as you like with your money, I've already agreed with that but at the same time I cannot condone supporting what they are doing.
Essentially taking control of the available supply of things and extorting potential buyers with prices above MSRP for their own personal gain.

If they only buy a few that's OK but it's the act of "Raiding" vendors for their inventory with bots to try and lockout anyone else being able to buy them at MSRP, then to turn around and price them well above that.
It's not them creating a manufacturing monopoly, they instead are creating and actively controlling a supply monopoly for the sole purpose of driving prices up for their own benefit.
What makes it worse on us is no actual crime is committed, it's all 100% legal.

 

[the54thvoid]

there is an old saying which goes.. "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" .. i have never really doubted the truth in this..

i am pretty certain that supply chain problems are gonna get worse.. prices on graphics cards are gonna go higher.. unobtainium is pretty expensive stuff..

i aint sure on the morality in any of this except to say that i dont think scalpers are scumbags just normal people selling something at a price they think its worth..

trog

I'm not judging you. However...

i dont think scalpers are scumbags just normal people selling something at a price they think its worth

Purchasing items in the understanding shortages will force up prices is not admirable. It's opportunism and while not illegal, it's certainly worthy of scorn. Remember, these are not collector editions which are meant to inflate in price. These are standard consumer items (regardless of MSRP). People are effectively exorting value by hoarding the items with no intent to use them.

Scalpers are no different from 'ticket touts'. You know, those who hoard up concert tickets with no intention of using them, simply to remove the supply to force up the price. It is akin to extortion. You remove a product and then ask for a grossly inflated price for product. Slow clap for scalpers. Zero community worth.

 

[FireFox]

“Good things come to those who wait!”

True, it happened to me.
I built my PC almost a month ago and yes i wanted a 3080 but at the same time even i have/had the money to buy it from a scalper i installed my old 1080 i had lying around and said not matter what i will wait, i kept searching everyday for a 3080 and that's where the magic happened, found one for less than the MSRP

Call it a Christmas Miracle

 

[witkazy]

There is panic buy and there is wish to complete build and there is location at where you do live, prices motivations and desires vary and using broad brush rarely effects in anything positive. I'd call 974$ for 3070 scalper price and yet i paid that at local retailer just to enjoy new build at level it meant to work

 

[trog100]

I'm not judging you. However...



Purchasing items in the understanding shortages will force up prices is not admirable. It's opportunism and while not illegal, it's certainly worthy of scorn. Remember, these are not collector editions which are meant to inflate in price. These are standard consumer items (regardless of MSRP). People are effectively exorting value by hoarding the items with no intent to use them.

Scalpers are no different from 'ticket touts'. You know, those who hoard up concert tickets with no intention of using them, simply to remove the supply to force up the price. It is akin to extortion. You remove a product and then ask for a grossly inflated price for product. Slow clap for scalpers. Zero community worth.

i dont think anybody is hoarding graphics cards with the deliberate intention of driving up prices.. that is far different than simply selling at a price that some people will pay..

when a product is in short supply the price goes up.. the bottom line is people that want that product ether have to pay the higher prices or go without..

in this case the demand is way too high for the product relative to the supply so most would be buyers (this also includes miners) will have to go without.. i dont see anyway around that..

trog

 

[Deleted member 193596]

i don't understand why people look at like ONE shop and say "Boohoo scalpers! NO STOCK AT ALL"..

there is like 24/7 stock for almost all cards since day one.
Computeruniverse, Alternate, Mediamarkt/Saturn, Amazon, Notebooksbilliger, Mindfactory, Jacob... They all have cards at least twice a day for an hour. (i already have four Ampere Cards for MSRP)

 

[Vya Domus]

i see this getting worse so i think anyone holding back needs to get in now or hold back for ever..

That's exactly something a scalper would say.

No need to try and justify it, I mean it's obvious scalpers only exist because people are willing to pay them but again, no need to justify it.

 

[FireFox]

i dont think anybody is hoarding graphics cards with the deliberate intention of driving up prices

Really?
Then explain what's happening right now and what's exactly what Scalpers are doing

 

[trog100]

Really?
Then explain what's happening right now and what's exactly what Scalpers are doing

whats happening is simple.. the manufacturers for reasons not made entirely clear are not producing enough graphics cards.. this leads to retailers having mostly empty shelves.. this leads to the small minority of people lucky enough to get their hands on one immediately knowing they can make a quick and nice profit bunging them on ebay..

its all very simple with absolutely no hoarding involved.. its what happens when a much hyped up product is under supplied..

trog

ps.. who is to blame.. the manufacturers are to blame for making promises they have failed to keep.. nobody else..

 

[Toothless]

whats happening is simple.. the manufacturers for reasons not made entirely clear are not producing enough graphics cards.. this leads to retailers having mostly empty shelves.. this leads to the small minority of people lucky enough to get their hands on one immediately knowing they can make a quick and nice profit bunging them on ebay..

its all very simple with absolutely no hoarding involved.. its what happens when a much hyped up product is under supplied..

trog

ps.. who is to blame.. the manufacturers are to blame for making promises they have failed to keep.. nobody else..

No, dude, you're not getting it and you made the thread admitting you bought a gpu from someone who bought a card and jacked the price up.

Someone bought a gpu at stock price, jacked up said price, resold it, and you bought into his scam. Manufacturers aren't all to blame since sure it's a supply and demand, however there are people called SCALPERS that make it all worse. Your thread title literally says you bought from a SCALPER.

You fed into someone else's bank and say that no one else is to blame for higher prices. Glasses check? Cool you got a new gpu but don't excuse the backwards morals.

 

[Aquinus]

I don't think supporting scalpers is a good idea, but it is your money. I have a bigger issue with cases like this:

Now all I gotta do is pay off that credit card.

This is a case where you're spending money you might not have, in which case, it seems like a poor decision unless it's paid off instantly. So not only are you spending more for the GPU, you're spending more on interest on the credit card.

 

[trog100]

i used the term "scalper" because that is the commonly used term for a private reseller.. i did try and impart a degree of humor.. he he

its not a tern i agree with..

trog

 

[FireFox]

i used the term "scalper" because that is the commonly used term for a private reseller..

Considering what you paid for the Card ( £1045 ) that Private reseller = Scalper

Not judging, just saying

 

[Aquinus]

i used the term "scalper" because that is the commonly used term for a private reseller.. i did try and impart a degree of humor.. he he

its not a tern i agree with..

trog

Buying a lot of something to limit supply and resell it at a profit is the definition of a scalper.

 

[Chomiq]

i dont think anybody is hoarding graphics cards with the deliberate intention of driving up prices.. that is far different than simply selling at a price that some people will pay..

Just like no one has vans full of PS5's.

 

[phanbuey]

Just like no one has vans full of PS5's.

But that's fine -- scalpers solve their own problem -- next release cycle we are going to have a much more supply / better storefronts and more realistic pricing.

Plus -- a lot of these people will still have vans of PS5's when the supply comes back in and the prices tank, so Karma is coming for them.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Think most the issue is complicating warranty some manufactures do not transfer warranties

If someone wants to pay 25%+- more for an item I sure wouldn't but that's just myself
Most interesting thing here is you actually made a new thread of it when most would be happy just to reply to the 3080 owners thread about the purchase

 

[jboydgolfer]

on principle i refuse to do this. ive been in the game long enough, hype is not worth paying for. nothing againts those who are okay with it, but feeding into this type of scumbag tactics only promotes it imo

 

[Deleted member 202104]

If one were to buy a 3090 for $1800, or a 3080 for $1200 from a 'scammer, scalper, or scumbag', but dedicate its use to Folding@Home 24/7 to search for a cure for Covid-19, Cancer, or Alzheimer's, are they a hero or a villain?

 

[phanbuey]

on principle i refuse to do this. ive been in the game long enough, hype is not worth paying for. nothing againts those who are okay with it, but feeding into this type of scumbag tactics only promotes it imo

Scumbag tactics will always exist if the only recourse for them is to depend on everyone to practice austerity (it's a bit like trying to cure obesity by telling people to eat less). We need the system to adapt to them and make said tactics less profitable and not viable.

For some people money is not as valuable as time -- maybe you have health issues, or are older. Maybe you're going to be on leave/ or be somewhere where you will miss your opportunity to experience these games. Maybe your wife is pregnant etc... Having everyone wait around is not an optimal response, and won't really work.

I don't blame scammers or customers, they're created because of the system and current shortage -- the way these cards are sold, priced and distributed.