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6c6t will do but remember that games will no longer depend on boosts frequency cause this is not happening. The performance must come from something else. Core and threads utilization is the next step in performance gain when the new, more powerful GPUs show up and would require more processing power. 6c6t may not be sufficient. For Certain games 6c is a bare minimum now. Utilization of more core is becoming an upward trend. Think about that when you pick the platform which you want to use for 2-4 years.
I believe ray tracing will be one of the most demanding factor or CPU hungry, because GPU just can't handle that vast calculations and iterations involved in the algorithm. Not to mentioned curved objects are to be dealt with.

The question is: how long before that will eventually happen...that's why buying anything right now is so difficult.

Gamer Meld say in one his video that Intel will not produce 7nm chip until 2022. Does it mean Intel 10th gen is still just a refresh of the 9th Gen?
 
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I believe ray tracing will be one of the most demanding factor or CPU hungry, because GPU just can't handle that vast calculations and iterations involved in the algorithm. Not to mentioned curved objects are to be dealt with.

The question is: how long before that will eventually happen...that's why buying anything right now is so difficult.

Gamer Meld say in one his video that Intel will not produce 7nm chip until 2022. Does it mean Intel 10th gen is still just a refresh of the 9th Gen?
I wouldn't worry about RT as of now. It is cool and looks good but I don't think this is mainly what you should concern yourself with when buying a graphics card. BTW RT is mostly taxing for graphics not CPU.
 
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I wouldn't worry about RT as of now. It is cool and looks good but I don't think this is mainly what you should concern yourself with when buying a graphics card. BTW RT is mostly taxing for graphics not CPU.
Then could you explain to me what the CPU "extra" cores and threads are there for and how do future games use them?

By the way, I really love to try this cooler in my build, though I am a believe in AIO LCS

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If you want to build a PC to play CB 2077 wait until they release recommended specifications for it. Then choose components according to that, availability at the time, your region and your budget.

Also, current raytracing offerings are really limited and we don't know if other implementations will be more or less CPU demanding that nVidia's.
 
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Then could you explain to me what the CPU "extra" cores and threads are there for and how do future games use them?
Having a 4c CPU you should be very familiar with stuttering. Until last week I was using a 2500k and I don't play all the latest and greatest, but still, a lot of the games I did play were stuttering. I would say the bare minimum for today is a 6c (or a 4c/8t, I guess).

Also, if you're worried about AMD not being trouble free, I don't think you have much to fear at this point. I didn't have any issues building mine.
 
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Having a 4c CPU you should be very familiar with stuttering. Until last week I was using a 2500k and I don't play all the latest and greatest, but still, a lot of the games I did play were stuttering. I would say the bare minimum for today is a 6c (or a 4c/8t, I guess).

Also, if you're worried about AMD not being trouble free, I don't think you have much to fear at this point. I didn't have any issues building mine.

i had the i5 3570k with gtx980 first game i encountered with stuttering was Deus Ex Mankind Divided, oc it to 4.2ghz made the stutters a bit less but still there. Oc boosted my average fps to around 65fps
 
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Then could you explain to me what the CPU "extra" cores and threads are there for and how do future games use them?
Well mostly it is like resources that can be utilized when needed. It is hard for me to tell you how they will be utilized in future games cause that is for the developers to decide and this one is quite complicated.
In a simple way to explain this. You are familiar with Cross fire and SLI. Consider 2 cards in SLI like 2 cores. If a game can utilize the 2 cards in SLI you get more FPS right? You can get 2 mid range cards and get the performance of one high end card or around or better performance that depends on the scaling. It is kinda like with cores. Instead of one core boosting to high frequencies you get 2 cores. Spread the workload among the cores and threads to feed the GPU and to keep up with the data flow. (scaling also matters here). If the CPU is not fast enough, the FPS will drop despite the GPU power and just as you OC the CPU the FPS will go up just like you've noticed.
Of course, just like SLI or crossfire implementations could suck in games or games don't support multiGPU same goes for CPU core utilization. Well more less that is the way to go with the understanding but do not quote me. This is just an example for you to understand this more-less.
 
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i had the i5 3570k with gtx980 first game i encountered with stuttering was Deus Ex Mankind Divided, oc it to 4.2ghz made the stutters a bit less but still there. Oc boosted my average fps to around 65fps

Despite I have RX 570 for the time being and boosted 3570K to 4.2GHz, BF V still stutters at the cut-scenes.

I don't favour any one of the current CPUs from both sides.
 
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Despite I have RX 570 for the time being and boosted 3570K to 4.2GHz, BF V still stutters at the cut-scenes.

I don't favour any one of the current CPUs from both sides.

As the 3570K is a quad core CPU you are getting that because you are probably at 95-100% CPU usage.
 
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Something which I do not understand.
When you compare the AMD and Intel side by side, AMD 3700X vs Intel 9700K, both running at stock speed
You can see the clock speed of Intel is faster, and CPU usage of Intel is higher whereas that of AMD is lower; and 9700K is having a higher FPS
question is: why AMD CPU cores don't chase up to achieve a higher FPS; a low CPU usage means the core are not working hard?
 
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Something which I do not understand.
When you compare the AMD and Intel side by side, AMD 3700X vs Intel 9700K, both running at stock speed
You can see the clock speed of Intel is faster, and CPU usage of Intel is higher whereas that of AMD is lower; and 9700K is having a higher FPS
question is: why AMD CPU cores don't chase up to achieve a higher FPS; a low CPU usage means the core are not working hard?

It basically comes down to optimization for the specific game. The 9700K is just a 8 core CPU and the 3700x is seen in Windows as 16 threads.
 
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It basically comes down to optimization for the specific game. The 9700K is just a 8 core CPU and the 3700x is seen in Windows as 16 threads.
So the game is not optimzed to use more threads (virtual cores) of the AMD...is that what you are saying?
 
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So the game is not optimzed to use more threads (virtual cores) of the AMD...is that what you are saying?
Yes that is part of it. Additionally many staple tasks in games just can't be parallelized... as in they have to take place in sequence and simply can't be spread out to run simultaneously. Not everything can be scaled that way
 
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If intel had threads activated on 9700k id get that one, since they dont.
go AMD.
 
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I really don't know. Nothing worth buying right now.
If going for AMD, I guess the most favourable choice is 3700X
But AMD really has problems
 
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I really don't know. Nothing worth buying right now.
If going for AMD, I guess the most favourable choice is 3700X
But AMD really has problems
This stuff has been fixed, There's new AGESA update released already and it does fix the boosting problems an all other stuff. This video is not relevant at this point now. You need to update the Bios with the new AGESA software. If you buy the board after New Year, you won’t have to do anything because board makers will have it done for you. Besides boost problems, doesn't mean the CPU doesn’t work, it's just not boosting to it's advertised speed. Anyway, this is fixed.
 
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This stuff has been fixed, There's new AGESA update released already and it does fix the boosting problems an all other stuff. This video is not relevant at this point now. You need to update the Bios with the new AGESA software. If you buy the board after New Year, you won’t have to do anything because board makers will have it done for you. Besides boost problems, doesn't mean the CPU doesn’t work, it's just not boosting to it's advertised speed. Anyway, this is fixed.
That is not my worries. As I said before, why consume has to wait for and do such "correction" for the manufacturers?! That's my point! Again, it has proved my point that AMD always deliver unfinished products, scare me, makes me feeling lack of safety.
 
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That is not my worries. As I said before, why consume has to wait for and do such "correction" for the manufacturers?! That's my point! Again, it has proved my point that AMD always deliver unfinished products, scare me, makes me feeling lack of safety.
Are you familiar with the software delivery process? You get Beta test alpha test etc.? This is kinda like that. Of course, there are tests performed before release to find bugs and flaws. The problem is that the environment these devices or software will be tested varies. Not everything can be predicted. Every new technology released consist of learning curve and bugs fixing. For instance, you get OS like Windows 10. Even though the company is huge and has a lot of experience, the patches for the new windows 10 are coming out. They could release it daily but they prioritize and release those in cumulative updates for example. You may mention that Intel doesn't have that learning curve with new Gen processors. Well that is partly true. There are some fixes and improvements in gen-to-gen Intel product. The other thing is that despite the new instructions sets and shrinks, the gen-to-gen improvement is a same processor and since the core, number wasn't so important few years back. AMD Ryzen is totally something new. People may argue that Ryzen has some bulldozer inside but the arch and idea of the components working inside the CPU are totally different. Intel and AMD both improve upon something already invented and/or discover and implement something new.
 

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After 5 full pages it appears that the OP may now wait and to be honest the thread has stood still for some time so it's closed, thanks to all.
 
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