I need some help with case and cpu cooling please!

[Tmansdc]

Right now I'm looking at getting a third-party am4 backplate from amazon, two 140mm case fans, and a new cpu cooler. I only have $100 for all this. I see that the am4 backplate on amazon doesn't work too well with stock wraith coolers but I'm planning on getting an aftermarket cooler.

I got $100 in refund/account balance on amazon so I want to get this stuff on amazon. What I'm looking forward to getting is thermal grizzly cryonaut, two 140mm case fans (one for the top of the case and one for the front. Mobo only supports three fans and one is already being used for the rear exhaust fan.), and a cpu cooler. The questions I have is:

When installing the two case fans, what would be the best way to use them? Should they both be exhaust fans, intake fans, or should one be an intake fan and one be an exhaust fan? Also what's the best position to install them at? I'm thinking center for both.
Last time I tried a tower cpu cooler my gpu got about 10 celsius warmer than it did with the stock downdraft/top down cpu cooler. Will the two fans I'm getting help mitigate that? Did I install the cpu cooler wrong? I got a stock rtx 2070 super so the fans can get a bit loud with temperature and the cooling isn't the best. Yes I should have gotten an aftermarket version but oh well.
What is the best cpu cooler I can get for under $50?
Will this be sufficient enough to secure/mount the cooler? (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C2BXDQM/ref=psdc_2998409011_t1_B0168H15DO) (https://www.amazon.com/Mounting-Plate-AMD-Socket-AM4/dp/B06X9VF8TN?ref_=ast_bbp_dp)


This was my first build. I have a ryzen 5 3600x, 32gb 2x16 ddr4 3200 t-force vulcan ram, 256gb nvme ssd, stock founders edition rtx 2070 super, asus tuf gaming x570 wifi board, evga 650w 80+ gold gq psu, a deepcool matrexx 50 case, and a nf-a12x25 2000rpm pwm fan for the rear exhaust case fan which is my only case fan. I hope I didn't do any permanent damage. What else can I do? Could reseating the cpu help with the heat? I spent like $1300 on this computer and it ran fine for the first month. Should have never redid the cooler. It was working OK before.

 

[INSTG8R]

I’m not sure what you’re actually after here between back plates and fans. If you’re looking for a CPU cooler it will have its own mounting system so a backplate isn’t necessary. As for fans, you have an exhaust fan so an intake for sure and if you’re case supports it you can put another on the top as exhaust

 

[eidairaman1]

I’m not sure what you’re actually after here between back plates and fans. If you’re looking for a CPU cooler it will have its own mounting system so a backplate isn’t necessary. As for fans, you have an exhaust fan so an intake for sure and if you’re case supports it you can put another on the top as exhaust

+1

Yeah id skip the backplate. Amd motherboards come with their own, if the mobo needs a different one the cooler provides it in a kit.

Right now I'm looking at getting a third-party am4 backplate from amazon, two 140mm case fans, and a new cpu cooler. I only have $100 for all this. I see that the am4 backplate on amazon doesn't work too well with stock wraith coolers but I'm planning on getting an aftermarket cooler.

I got $100 in refund/account balance on amazon so I want to get this stuff on amazon. What I'm looking forward to getting is thermal grizzly cryonaut, two 140mm case fans (one for the top of the case and one for the front. Mobo only supports three fans and one is already being used for the rear exhaust fan.), and a cpu cooler. The questions I have is:

When installing the two case fans, what would be the best way to use them? Should they both be exhaust fans, intake fans, or should one be an intake fan and one be an exhaust fan? Also what's the best position to install them at? I'm thinking center for both.
Last time I tried a tower cpu cooler my gpu got about 10 celsius warmer than it did with the stock downdraft/top down cpu cooler. Will the two fans I'm getting help mitigate that? Did I install the cpu cooler wrong? I got a stock rtx 2070 super so the fans can get a bit loud with temperature and the cooling isn't the best. Yes I should have gotten an aftermarket version but oh well.
What is the best cpu cooler I can get for under $50?
Will this be sufficient enough to secure/mount the cooler? (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C2BXDQM/ref=psdc_2998409011_t1_B0168H15DO) (https://www.amazon.com/Mounting-Plate-AMD-Socket-AM4/dp/B06X9VF8TN?ref_=ast_bbp_dp)


This was my first build. I have a ryzen 5 3600x, 32gb 2x16 ddr4 3200 t-force vulcan ram, 256gb nvme ssd, stock founders edition rtx 2070 super, asus tuf gaming x570 wifi board, evga 650w 80+ gold gq psu, a deepcool matrexx 50 case, and a nf-a12x25 2000rpm pwm fan for the rear exhaust case fan which is my only case fan. I hope I didn't do any permanent damage. What else can I do? Could reseating the cpu help with the heat? I spent like $1300 on this computer and it ran fine for the first month. Should have never redid the cooler. It was working OK before.

 

[Tmansdc]

I’m not sure what you’re actually after here between back plates and fans. If you’re looking for a CPU cooler it will have its own mounting system so a backplate isn’t necessary. As for fans, you have an exhaust fan so an intake for sure and if you’re case supports it you can put another on the top as exhaust

I lost the original backplate that came with my motherboard is the problem.

 

[eidairaman1]

How is that even possible

 

[dirtyferret]

I'm not following you, you have $94 in amazon refunds after your new backplate (see eidairaman1 response) but you only want to spend $50 on a CPU cooler?

Personally I would get the Noctua U12s and swap your A12 to the the cooler and your the cooler's F12 fan to your rear exhaust (cost $59)

grab a three pack of fans

Amazon.com: Antec 140mm Case Fan, PC Case Fan High Performance, 3-pin Connector, F14 Series 3 Packs: Computers & Accessories

Buy Antec 140mm Case Fan, PC Case Fan High Performance, 3-pin Connector, F14 Series 3 Packs: Case Fans - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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stick two up front for intake and use the noctua splitter that came with your A12 or U12s to connect them to one mobo header

use the last 140mm for a roof out take above the CPU cooler

that's $89 with $5 left over for taxes

 

[FreedomEclipse]

For fans - these will do

And if you want a good review for them

 

[Vayra86]

I'm not following you, you have $94 in amazon refunds after your new backplate (see eidairaman1 response) but you only want to spend $50 on a CPU cooler?

Personally I would get the Noctua U12s and swap your A12 to the the cooler and your the cooler's F12 fan to your rear exhaust (cost $59)

grab a three pack of fans

Amazon.com: Antec 140mm Case Fan, PC Case Fan High Performance, 3-pin Connector, F14 Series 3 Packs: Computers & Accessories

Buy Antec 140mm Case Fan, PC Case Fan High Performance, 3-pin Connector, F14 Series 3 Packs: Case Fans - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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stick two up front for intake and use the noctua splitter that came with your A12 or U12s to connect them to one mobo heather

use the last 140mm for a roof out take above the CPU cooler

that's $89 with $5 left over for taxes

This is wisdom right here. Go with it

And that backplate... perhaps a nice little email to seller or local company might get you one for free. I mean, its pretty basic. Try your mobo manufacturer. Play the loyal customer card. Win.

For fans - these will do

And if you want a good review for them

Your fly got me this time. I was blowing at my screen.

 

[Tmansdc]

I'm not following you, you have $94 in amazon refunds after your new backplate (see eidairaman1 response) but you only want to spend $50 on a CPU cooler?

Personally I would get the Noctua U12s and swap your A12 to the the cooler and your the cooler's F12 fan to your rear exhaust (cost $59)

grab a three pack of fans

Amazon.com: Antec 140mm Case Fan, PC Case Fan High Performance, 3-pin Connector, F14 Series 3 Packs: Computers & Accessories

Buy Antec 140mm Case Fan, PC Case Fan High Performance, 3-pin Connector, F14 Series 3 Packs: Case Fans - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

stick two up front for intake and use the noctua splitter that came with your A12 or U12s to connect them to one mobo header

use the last 140mm for a roof out take above the CPU cooler

that's $89 with $5 left over for taxes

Hmmm, not too bad.

The reason I was only going for two fans is because I thought that was all my mobo could handle. The idea of a "splitter" completely split my mind.

For the cpu cooler should I have the fan pointed towards the rear exhaust or the front? I'm thinking rear if the fan is rear.

So the fan being used as a rear exhaust right now would be better on the cooler and use the fan from the cooler on the rear exhaust?

Plus if everyone is saying so I don't have to get a mount or backplate for my 3600x/cooler. I have $103 so I was thinking $50 for cooler, $40 for fans, $10 for thermal paste.

I'd rather have pwm fans so they could be quieter if I'm doing non intensive tasks. I am willing to get two really good 140mm case fans even if they are $20 a piece.

 

[eidairaman1]

Hmmm, not too bad.

The reason I was only going for two fans is because I thought that was all my mobo could handle. The idea of a "splitter" completely split my mind.

For the cpu cooler should I have the fan pointed towards the rear exhaust or the front? I'm thinking rear if the fan is rear.

So the fan being used as a rear exhaust right now would be better on the cooler and use the fan from the cooler on the rear exhaust?

Plus if everyone is saying so I don't have to get a mount or backplate for my 3600x/cooler. I have $103 so I was thinking $50 for cooler, $40 for fans, $10 for thermal paste.

I'd rather have pwm fans so they could be quieter if I'm doing non intensive tasks. I am willing to get two really good 140mm case fans even if they are $20 a piece.

Pwm fans require mobo bios config, you could get a potentiometer and control them manually too. Otherwise read your motherboard manual

 

[Tmansdc]

Pwm fans would work fine on my mobo. I've configured my rear exhaust fan which is a pwm fan.

But like I said, get u12s, swap cooler fan and rear exhaust fan, point the fan on the cpu cooler towards rear exhaust fan, get two 140mm case fans, top as exhaust and front as intake?

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Use 4-pin fan splitter cables if you need more than your board has headers.

The optimal configuration depends on the (GPU vs CPU) load and the orientation of the cooler and where you have fan spots in your case... There's basically no one configuration to fit all use cases better than other specific ones.

 

[dirtyferret]

Hmmm, not too bad.

The reason I was only going for two fans is because I thought that was all my mobo could handle. The idea of a "splitter" completely split my mind.

For the cpu cooler should I have the fan pointed towards the rear exhaust or the front? I'm thinking rear if the fan is rear.

So the fan being used as a rear exhaust right now would be better on the cooler and use the fan from the cooler on the rear exhaust?

Plus if everyone is saying so I don't have to get a mount or backplate for my 3600x/cooler. I have $103 so I was thinking $50 for cooler, $40 for fans, $10 for thermal paste.

I'd rather have pwm fans so they could be quieter if I'm doing non intensive tasks. I am willing to get two really good 140mm case fans even if they are $20 a piece.

The CPU fan should be blowing across the heat sink and towards the rear (exhaust fan). The reason for using the A12 is that fan is universally considered one of (if not the best) 120mm HSF out there and an upgrade over the NF-12 (itself an excellent fan) that comes with the Noctua U12s.

You will need the backplate for the install

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but you dont need thermal paste as the U12S comes with Noctua NT-H1 and is some of the best thermal paste you can get

You can also look at the Scythe Fuma 2, its an excellent cooler as well but it's slight harder to install and takes up more room. On the plus side it comes with a backplate and currently a 5% off coupon on Amazon. I would still swap 120x25 fans with the cooler and your Noctua A12 exhaust fan.

I would still go with three solid 140mm fans over two "better" 140mm fans for lower temps. If you want to "upgrade the fans" some options to look at

Noctua P-14 redux, the 900rpm 3-pin is silent and offers very good performance while the PWM versions offer up to 1200rpm, 1500rpm, or 1700rpm performance if needed. All are around $15. You can look at the Noctua A14 & 15 lines but having owned both series of fans mentioned the A14 & 15 primarily offer more goodies (splitter, rubber fan mounts, low noise adapters, etc.,) then necessarily better performance then the redux series.

Phanteks SP - series - I've owned four of these both led and non led. They are well built and performance wise they are great but they are loud compared to Noctua, you here a "motor whine" noise even at 900rpm. I'm a noise freak so I found it irritating and replaced them with Noctua fans.

If you want to buy a better 140mm fan I would put that one over the HSF for outake and use two solid 140mm fans for front intake

 

[MazeFrame]

Just a general note: The Noctua mounting system on AMD relies on the provided backplate.

 

[Tmansdc]

Yeah I'm going to have to get one with a backplate. Plus it seems like I have no way to open the front of my case so I only have the top and rear exhaust fans. I could probably put two exhaust fans on top or maybe an intake towards the front most part of the top of the case and an exhaust fan towards the furthest rear part of the top of the case as well.





I am just using the stock cooler on top of a 40x40mm innovation cooling graphite pad. I'm getting up to 76 celsius just by browsing the internet and doing college work. I've optimized windows 10 following a guide from Tech Yes City and have absolutely nothing else running in the background.





It seems like I cannot open the front of my case which is a bummer. Until I get two 140mm fans for the top (Or since I can't open the front maybe I'll get 200mm fans now an intake for the front most part of the top of the case and an exhaust for the furthest rear part of the case)





Until I get the 140/200 top case fans I stuck the fan that came with my case in the middle of the top as an exhaust fan. It's doing ok. Don't think it's helping temperatures much though.

 

[Tmansdc]

Ok here's what I've ordered.

http://imgur.com/a/VLNs79r