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what if you look so far away billions of light-years away you see our own galaxy billions of years ago that would be a mind-bender
 
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That would be true for a closed Universe, and Astronomers have looked for this effect.
 
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Because of the speed of light vs the speed of matter I don't think we can see ourselves in the past but images say of the galaxies in the ultra deep field view from hubble the galaxies we see were there maybe millions or billions of years ago.


The sun takes 8 minutes to transmit light to earth, the milky way galaxy is a hundred thousand light years side to side, our galaxy is approximately 2.5 million light years from the next closest galaxy. The the light from the stars you can see in the night sky took a minumum of 4.2 years to get to earth (in the case of proxima centauri, the next closest star to the sun). The light you see (even the backlight in your monitor) takes time to reach your eyes and even more to reach your brain, and because of this you see an image of the past, not of the present.

Also, if the LHC does what it's supposed to we may wind up engineering our own universe in a room underground here on earth making us the creators of the universe.

 
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It's goal is to study subatomic particle interactions, not create universes.
They called it the big bang machine, its job is literally to recreate the conditions of the big bang, and also to create black holes which it hasn't yet or earth wouldn't still be here. The possibility that it could create tiny galaxies with life on them is real, we've barely scratched the surface in understanding our universe, we may yet engineer it with our machine and may have already created tiny galaxies with life in them.

1000 monkeys on 1000 typewriters will eventually recreate the works of Shakespeare - Infinite Monkey Theorem

Apply this to particle accelerators and 1000 monkeys with particle accelerators will eventually recreate their own universe.

The human body, the planet earth, all matter in existence except black holes is 99.99999999999999% empty space. The only real physical matter in existence is the shell of the nucleon and we are attempting to break them open with our big bang machine.

What happens to the shell of the nucleon when broken? We have no clue but my guess is it does like a soap bubble and becomes countless tiny versions of itself, eg all the matter in any given galaxy may have originated from just 2 nucleons colliding.
 
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its job is literally to recreate the conditions of the big bang
You needed to stop there. They never planned on it creating black holes. It was theorized it could in worry wort fashion, but (as scientists reassured us at the time) even if it did, they would be unstable and disolve in an instant. Literally nothing in their intent is about spawning a permanent universe.
 

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If you could travel faster than light, you could achieve this result

Without that capability (or something very reflective) you cant see the past, since light is faster than matter
 

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what if you look so far away billions of light-years away you see our own galaxy billions of years ago that would be a mind-bender
If you could view our galaxy from billions of light years away, then you'd just see a smaller proto galaxy and it wouldn't look anything special.

The Big Bang happened around 13.8 billion years ago, so a hypothetical civilisation similar to us living, say, 5 billion years away would see just this. They wouldn't be able to pick out our tiny transmissions or even our earth at that distance. However, the earth hadn't even formed* then, so there's the best reason of all for not detecting us lol.

*The earth is around 4.5 billion years old. Some people think it's only 6000 years old, but don't listen to those crazies.
 
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The universe we create is not permanent, in fact from our scale we could both be living inside it and be creating it in miniature scale so it goes by in an instant. It may be the snake eating its own tail that we've been warned against for generations (if you want a mindfuck, research this).
If we were able to leave the room our universe exists in now we may find ourselves, super massive super giants on this planet frozen in time at a particular moment.

You needed to stop there. They never planned on it creating black holes. It was theorized it could in worry wort fashion, but (as scientists reassured us at the time) even if it did, they would be unstable and disolve in an instant. Literally nothing in their intent is about spawning a permanent universe.
You think we spent billions of dollars building a gigantic LN2 cooled superconducting ring in which millions of packets of 1024 nucleons slam in to each other at the speed of light in femtobarn scale precision just to see higgs bosons? No. We built this machine because Hawkings "math" said black holes are safe because they evaporate back in time. That's the literal translation of his work on black holes which we've yet to actually observe in real life.

Einstein who described in mathematical detail, physics from the galactic to the microscopic, gave up on black holes. Hawking may be wrong, what we know now is that black holes are the most destructive force in the universe and they consume matter (the stuff we and our planet is made of) at the speed of light.

If we make one or several million in our experiment we have no idea how they will react with matter on our planet. There are theories that say if we do create even one black hole and it contacts the walls of the Atlas or ALICE or the other chambers it will immediately begin consuming matter and this will happen.


We didn't know for sure that detonating the first nuclear device wouldn't set off the entire atmosphere in a giant chain reaction. We did it anyway because science.

Everything you know was told to you by someone else and humans are liars. I try not to be.
 
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what if you look so far away billions of light-years away you see our own galaxy billions of years ago that would be a mind-bender

There is already something that covers that possibility, it's about whether or not the universe is infinite. If that's the case then it's reasonable to assume everything can be found within it, including a portion of the universe that looks exactly like ours did billions of years ago. But not too far ago since technically the universe shouldn't have been able to evolve to that point till then. Of course you couldn't actually see it since it would be causally disconnected from our portion of the universe.
 
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You think we spent billions of dollars building a gigantic LN2 cooled superconducting ring in which millions of packets of 1024 nucleons slam in to each other at the speed of light in femtobarn scale precision just to see higgs bosons? No. We built this machine because Hawkings "math" said black holes are safe because they evaporate back in time. That's the literal translation of his work on black holes which we've yet to actually observe in real life.
Look, you want to theorize about all this, I get it. That doesn't change the official reasoning for the collider, which is decidedly not what you are claiming.

Frankly, your conspiratorial tone does not inspire me at all. But it's not even about that.
 
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The universe we create is not permanent, in fact from our scale we could both be living inside it and be creating it in miniature scale so it goes by in an instant. It may be the snake eating its own tail that we've been warned against for generations (if you want a mindfuck, research this).
If we were able to leave the room our universe exists in now we may find ourselves, super massive super giants on this planet frozen in time at a particular moment.


You think we spent billions of dollars building a gigantic LN2 cooled superconducting ring in which millions of packets of 1024 nucleons slam in to each other at the speed of light in femtobarn scale precision just to see higgs bosons? No. We built this machine because Hawkings "math" said black holes are safe because they evaporate back in time. That's the literal translation of his work on black holes which we've yet to actually observe in real life.

Einstein who described in mathematical detail, physics from the galactic to the microscopic, gave up on black holes. Hawking may be wrong, what we know now is that black holes are the most destructive force in the universe and they consume matter (the stuff we and our planet is made of) at the speed of light.

If we make one or several million in our experiment we have no idea how they will react with matter on our planet. There are theories that say if we do create even one black hole and it contacts the walls of the Atlas or ALICE or the other chambers it will immediately begin consuming matter and this will happen.


We didn't know for sure that detonating the first nuclear device wouldn't set off the entire atmosphere in a giant chain reaction. We did it anyway because science.

Everything you know was told to you by someone else and humans are liars. I try not to be.

Go watch this, you.

Mind still blown, but now with the right perspectives :) They do touch on the different theories you mention.


Its a must see. Fascinating.
 
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Concerning the production of black-holes in a particle accelerator: some cosmic rays are of higher energy than any of our accelerators and collide with our upper atmosphere, so any dangers would have already happened.

black holes which we've yet to actually observe in real life.
 

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The universe we create is not permanent, in fact from our scale we could both be living inside it and be creating it in miniature scale so it goes by in an instant. It may be the snake eating its own tail that we've been warned against for generations (if you want a mindfuck, research this).
If we were able to leave the room our universe exists in now we may find ourselves, super massive super giants on this planet frozen in time at a particular moment.


You think we spent billions of dollars building a gigantic LN2 cooled superconducting ring in which millions of packets of 1024 nucleons slam in to each other at the speed of light in femtobarn scale precision just to see higgs bosons? No. We built this machine because Hawkings "math" said black holes are safe because they evaporate back in time. That's the literal translation of his work on black holes which we've yet to actually observe in real life.

Einstein who described in mathematical detail, physics from the galactic to the microscopic, gave up on black holes. Hawking may be wrong, what we know now is that black holes are the most destructive force in the universe and they consume matter (the stuff we and our planet is made of) at the speed of light.

If we make one or several million in our experiment we have no idea how they will react with matter on our planet. There are theories that say if we do create even one black hole and it contacts the walls of the Atlas or ALICE or the other chambers it will immediately begin consuming matter and this will happen.


We didn't know for sure that detonating the first nuclear device wouldn't set off the entire atmosphere in a giant chain reaction. We did it anyway because science.

Everything you know was told to you by someone else and humans are liars. I try not to be.
Thanks for the laughs, I like that truther black hole video, especially. Note that if a real black hole of that size somehow materialised inside the earth, or at the surface, the planet would be gone in the blink of an eye, with just a really fast-spinning accretion disc remaining around the black hole. EDIT: in other words, it would look nothing like that video. Also, the moon would spiral into it in short order too and be torn to pieces.

Seriously, read proper science and watch proper videos from credible science sources instead of spreading pseudo science misinformation like this.
 
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Thanks for the laughs, I like that truther black hole video, especially. Note that if a real black hole of that size somehow materialised inside the earth, or at the surface, the planet would be gone in the blink of an eye, with just a really fast-spinning accretion disc remaining around the black hole.

Seriously, read proper science and watch proper videos from credible science sources instead of spreading pseudo science misinformation like this.

Yeah, bringing Nostrodamus into a science thread is that moment I pay attention to a science thread. Ban hammer ready.
 
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I'm not sure where the theory is in the OP.

Curved verses non curved space time was already debated and even if the universe was curved, that would require a telescope and a half , possibly powered by unicorn droppings but in general magical in its specifications.
 
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Same thought: A conjecture is not a theory
 
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Look, you want to theorize about all this, I get it. That doesn't change the official reasoning for the collider, which is decidedly not what you are claiming.

Frankly, your conspiratorial tone does not inspire me at all. But it's not even about that.
You don't agree which is fine, I'm no physicist but I did do a ton of research into all kinds of science the LHC included (I am fascinated by projects like the TOKAMAK and the LHC). Nobody on this planet knows the truth of the universe, we can make a few observations but we know not why we are here.

Our theories are fallible because we are human and born to err. I'm just providing some of what I think may be true at the moment, my opinions change by the minute so by all means prove me wrong.

 
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You don't agree which is fine, I'm no physicist but I did do a ton of research into all kinds of science the LHC included (I am fascinated by projects like the TOKAMAK and the LHC). Nobody on this planet knows the truth of the universe, we can make a few observations but we know not why we are here.

Our theories are fallible because we are human and born to err. I'm just providing some of what I think may be true at the moment, my opinions change by the minute so by all means prove me wrong.

Did you watch that video yet? The proof is right there. It does require you to pay attention ;)

But 'I did do a ton of research' is really 'I googled some things'... you and the rest of the world that's getting it wrong every time. You're not a scientist and lots of search queries won't make it so.

Intelligence is determined by who can apply the correct filter in the sea of information. Real research is a step in that direction. Cobbling together search results is not.
 
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Did you watch that video yet? The proof is right there. It does require you to pay attention ;)

But 'I did do a ton of research' is really 'I googled some things'... you and the rest of the world that's getting it wrong every time. You're not a scientist and lots of search queries won't make it so.

Intelligence is determined by who can apply the correct filter in the sea of information. Real research is a step in that direction. Cobbling together search results is not.

No I don't have almost 2 hours for your propaganda thanks. Do you have almost 2 hours for mine? :)


I do internet research because I can't drive to the LHC and go take a look around so I use sources like


to feed my curiosity.

I also used to pay attention to solar wind and our planets magnetic field vs solar flares (spoiler alert, when a big enough flare hits we lose a magnetic pole for a while, the planet goes monopolar and still protects us) but that's not important and nothing any human does will ever be important on the grand scale.

We are ghosts driving skeletons covered in meat riding a rock hurtling though space at over half a million miles an hour (the solar system moves about 12 million miles a day).
 
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No I don't have almost 2 hours for your propaganda thanks.
The video I linked, is the official CERN documentary. Built on actual interviews of actual people doing the actual research.

You've just confirmed my previous post assumptions, and that this topic requires a swift lock.

The video gets you the highest definition real footage of inside the LHC. To feed your curiosity... ;)
A researcher has no hostile stance to information that is from this close to the actual source...

I'm not here to fight you. I'm here to show you the perspective you most likely were missing, given your earlier post. A perspective. All yours to do with whatever you please.

The specific part you need is where they explicitly lay out the (I believe) three options that exist of how we should view the universe. It includes wild theories like a multiverse. It shows how scientific theory is thoroughly tested, too.
 
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The video I linked, is the official CERN documentary. Built on actual interviews of actual people doing the actual research.

You've just confirmed my previous post assumptions, and that this topic requires a swift lock.

The video gets you the highest definition real footage of inside the LHC. To feed your curiosity... ;)
A researcher has no hostile stance to information that is from this close to the actual source...

I'm not here to fight you. I'm here to show you the perspective you most likely were missing, given your earlier post. A perspective. All yours to do with whatever you please.

The specific part you need is where they explicitly lay out the (I believe) three options that exist of how we should view the universe. It includes wild theories like a multiverse. It shows how scientific theory is thoroughly tested, too.
I may yet watch the vid you posted and I don't doubt your claims. Though as I get older I value my time more, none of us lasts forever and though it may seem like it I am not attacking you. I scoured their website for all it had and periodically update myself on the goings on from their press release page. The last big overhaul was the injectors and I think it's finished and they're colliding beams again.

I know that there's no guarantee anything anyone says is true even myself but when there's a chance of something bad happening I want to know.

I don't think we live in a choice oriented multiverse, I believe in fate. Everything everyone does is destined to happen, one linear universe with optional endings.
 
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I may yet watch the vid you posted and I don't doubt your claims. Though as I get older I value my time more, none of us lasts forever and though it may seem like it I am not attacking you. I scoured their website for all it had and periodically update myself on the goings on from their press release page. The last big overhaul was the injectors and I think it's finished and they're colliding beams again.

I know that there's no guarantee anything anyone says is true even myself but when there's a chance of something bad happening I want to know.

I don't think we live in a choice oriented multiverse, I believe in fate. Everything everyone does is destined to happen.

If it helps anything... that documentary, to me, gave a sense of awesome and ultimately humbleness over what we can achieve as humans if we just work together and forget about politics for a second. Its very encouraging especially in todays world.

But if you're following the goings on at CERN from the website you've already got some view on that. Still... those are two hours very well spent. Especially if the subject is of interest to you.
 

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I do internet research because I can't drive to the LHC and go take a look around so I use sources like


to feed my curiosity.

I also used to pay attention to solar wind and our planets magnetic field vs solar flares (spoiler alert, when a big enough flare hits we lose a magnetic pole for a while, the planet goes monopolar and still protects us) but that's not important and nothing any human does will ever be important on the grand scale.

We are ghosts driving skeletons covered in meat riding a rock hurtling though space at over half a million miles an hour (the solar system moves about 12 million miles a day).

Just to add, your source provides the explanation as to why there will be no world-ending black holes at CERN:


Speculations about microscopic black holes at the LHC refer to particles produced in the collisions of pairs of protons, each of which has an energy comparable to that of a mosquito in flight. Astronomical black holes are much heavier than anything that could be produced at the LHC.


According to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity, it is impossible for microscopic black holes to be produced at the LHC. There are, however, some speculative theories that predict the production of such particles at the LHC. All these theories predict that these particles would disintegrate immediately. Black holes, therefore, would have no time to start accreting matter and to cause macroscopic effects.
 
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No I don't have almost 2 hours for your propaganda thanks. Do you have almost 2 hours for mine? :)


I do internet research because I can't drive to the LHC and go take a look around so I use sources like


to feed my curiosity.
Is that why you gave me random blogspot links?

Seriously. Only one of us is falling for propaganda here. Use the links you provided and primary sources, not blogspot / youtube randos.
 
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