i5-14600k owners can you test 65w pl1 and 100w pl2?

[hani.yassine.0]

Hello everyone i currently have i7-8700 which have 65w tdp and max will go up to 100w (although i never seen it goes above 50w in games)
i'm planning to buy i5-14600k but in my country i have electricity problem(limited on the amount i can draw) so im worried about the 14600k having too much power draw can anyone that have 14600k/14600kf test pl1 at 65w and pl2 at 100w and compare it to the stock values of pl1 125 and pl2 181w, i want to see how much gaming performance i will loose if anyone can test cpu heavy games at 1080p that would be great, i didn't find anyone on the internet trying that, also at the same time i want to see how it perform if limited to power draw similar to ryzen 7700, thanks!
edit:
im planing to build the pc and ditch my current i7-8700
my new build will be
i5-14600k
board z790
gpu rtx 2070 (planning to upgrade to rtx 4070 in the future)
psu Thermaltake gf3 750w gold

my friend tried need for speed game at 2k with a 4070super without limit cpu was pulling 160w average fps about 140-150 with the limit 65w was same fps which is surprising

 

[Bill_Bright]

Hi Hani and welcome to TPU.

Please fill out your TPU System Specs so we know a bit about your hardware. Be specific about your power supply (PSU). Do note your power consumption, what your system demands from the wall, be limited by the PSU.

If your current system is not being restricted by the limits your power company has set, it is highly unlikely a different CPU will. I mean if necessary, just go around the house and turn off unnecessary lights and you should be good to go.

That said, I hope you understand that i5 uses a different CPU socket than the i7. This mean you will need a different motherboard. My point is, any differences in power consumption may come from more than just the CPU.

 

[droopyRO]

have electricity problem(limited on the amount i can draw)

Never heard about something like this, you have a limit on how many Amps you can pull from the grid ?

 

[hani.yassine.0]

Hi Hani and welcome to TPU.

Please fill out your TPU System Specs so we know a bit about your hardware. Be specific about your power supply (PSU). Do note your power consumption, what your system demands from the wall, be limited by the PSU.

If your current system is not being restricted by the limits your power company has set, it is highly unlikely a different CPU will. I mean if necessary, just go around the house and turn off unnecessary lights and you should be good to go.

That said, I hope you understand that i5 uses a different CPU socket than the i7. This mean you will need a different motherboard. My point is, any differences in power consumption may come from more than just the CPU.

edited the post

 

[hani.yassine.0]

Never heard about something like this, you have a limit on how many Amps you can pull from the grid ?

yes about 3-4 amp in my country we have blackout periods so we use backup electricity from a private person, so im trying to upgrade while keeping my current setup wattage consumption

 

[Harlow]

yes about 3-4 amp in my country we have blackout periods so we use backup electricity from a private person, so im trying to upgrade while keeping my current setup wattage consumption

That makes sense. I inadvertently tripped a guest house UPS when I connected a small travel kettle to the wall outlet. The large rack mount UPS objected to the load and all the lights went out. I hadn't realized the town mains supply was off at the time.

You mention the maximum current as being 3 to 4A, but I don't know if the supply is a nominal 120V 60Hz AC or a nominal 220V 50Hz AC. This makes a big difference, because 4A x 120V = 480W max, but 4A x 220V = 880W. Obviously a 220V supply at 880W is preferable to a 120V supply at 480W, but you also have to take into account the capacity of the UPS batteries, or maybe it's a small petrol generator, in which case you don't have to worry about flattening a battery.

if anyone can test cpu heavy games at 1080p that would be great

I don't have a recent Intel CPU to run any tests, but I would make the following suggestion. Surely it's better to continue gaming during power cuts with pl1 or pl2 limits set in the BIOS and lower FPS, than trip out the backup mains supply by pulling too much current? The alternative is to go out and buy yourself a 1kVA petrol generator. Not cheap and you need space outside so you won't be asphyxiated by the fumes.

I've seen shop keepers start the portable generators outside their shops on petrol (gasoline) then switch over to paraffin (kerosene) which was cheaper.

 

[Flaky]

Consider 8700G if you aim for high performance in restrictive power target.

 

[hani.yassine.0]

That makes sense. I inadvertently tripped a guest house UPS when I connected a small travel kettle to the wall outlet. The large rack mount UPS objected to the load and all the lights went out. I hadn't realized the town mains supply was off at the time.

You mention the maximum current as being 3 to 4A, but I don't know if the supply is a nominal 120V 60Hz AC or a nominal 220V 50Hz AC. This makes a big difference, because 4A x 120V = 480W max, but 4A x 220V = 880W. Obviously a 220V supply at 880W is preferable to a 120V supply at 480W, but you also have to take into account the capacity of the UPS batteries, or maybe it's a small petrol generator, in which case you don't have to worry about flattening a battery.


I don't have a recent Intel CPU to run any tests, but I would make the following suggestion. Surely it's better to continue gaming during power cuts with pl1 or pl2 limits set in the BIOS and lower FPS, than trip out the backup mains supply by pulling too much current? The alternative is to go out and buy yourself a 1kVA petrol generator. Not cheap and you need space outside so you won't be asphyxiated by the fumes.

I've seen shop keepers start the portable generators outside their shops on petrol (gasoline) then switch over to paraffin (kerosene) which was cheaper.

it's 220v (i know there is plenty of wattage left but i run multiple appliance in my home so my current setup power draw is prefect) as for the generator the backup electricity is already coming from a big generator but he split the load across multiple houses my current pc draw about 50-60w cpu and 150-170w gpu which i plan to keep same draw so was trying to figure out if i limit the cpu to these pl1 and pl2 if it affect gaming my friend did a test in need for speed game at 2k with a 4070super without limit cpu was pulling 160w average fps about 140-150 with the limit 65w was same fps which is surprising but i want to make sure

Consider 8700G if you aim for high performance in restrictive power target.

in my country the ryzen is 310$ i5-14600kf 186$ also i plan to do productivity task so the i5 is better for me and i dont like ryzen because of the high idle power draw

 

[droopyRO]

In Romania it's 230V, might double check on that.

As to your question, search on youtube the name of the game you want to play and 14600K and look for videos with an overlay. From what i searched it is about 80-100W, my 12600K pulls about 40-60W in those game.

But you can do a lot of thing like:
Limit the power usage from BIOS if the mobo supports it.
Limit the frame rate in game at 30-60 fps, and undervolt the GPU to save more power.
Also get a cheap watt meter to measure the power draw at the wall. Since the PSU is pulling 10-20W more from the wall, to provide that CPU the power it needs.

 

[hani.yassine.0]

In Romania it's 230V, might double check on that.

As to your question, search on youtube the name of the game you want to play and 14600K and look for videos with an overlay. From what i searched it is about 80-100W, my 12600K pulls about 40-60W in those game.

But you can do a lot of thing like:
Limit the power usage from BIOS if the mobo supports it.
Limit the frame rate in game at 30-60 fps, and undervolt the GPU to save more power.
Also get a cheap watt meter to measure the power draw at the wall. Since the PSU is pulling 10-20W more from the wall, to provide that CPU the power it needs.

yeah already looked in a lot of video the draw is anywhere between 65 up to 120w in games so i wanted someone to test in those games that pull too much power draw from the cpu what happen if we limit the power to 65w , from the info i gathered it should be 5-15% depending on the game but i only tested this scenario with my friend who tried on 2k 65w vs 160w he got same performance in need for speed game

 

[Bill_Bright]

I think it still important to consider the PSU. That is the limiting factor in terms of what your computer will demand from your power grid.

But also, it is EXTREMELY rare for everything in the computer to be demanding maximum power at the exact same point in time. So if you look at the two big power hogs, it would be very rare both the graphics card and the CPU are maxed out at once. Typically, the CPU hands off tasks to the GPU, then waits for the GPU to hand the finished tasks (if any) back.

Then as for your appliances, you were not specific, but they typically cycle on and cycle off - so again, not likely all at once.

What is nice about filling out the TPU System Specs, as requested above, is it prompts and reminds you to enter every thing. That matters because, for example, 4 sticks of RAM consumes nearly twice as much as 2 sticks. The number of fans in your case adds up, as do drives.

Big monitors tend to consume more than smaller monitors.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Hello everyone i currently have i7-8700 which have 65w tdp and max will go up to 100w (although i never seen it goes above 50w in games)
i'm planning to buy i5-14600k but in my country i have electricity problem(limited on the amount i can draw) so im worried about the 14600k having too much power draw can anyone that have 14600k/14600kf test pl1 at 65w and pl2 at 100w and compare it to the stock values of pl1 125 and pl2 181w, i want to see how much gaming performance i will loose if anyone can test cpu heavy games at 1080p that would be great, i didn't find anyone on the internet trying that, also at the same time i want to see how it perform if limited to power draw similar to ryzen 7700, thanks!
edit:
im planing to build the pc and ditch my current i7-8700
my new build will be
i5-14600k
board z790
gpu rtx 2070 (planning to upgrade to rtx 4070 in the future)
psu Thermaltake gf3 750w gold

my friend tried need for speed game at 2k with a 4070super without limit cpu was pulling 160w average fps about 140-150 with the limit 65w was same fps which is surprising

Hello.

First off, you won't loose performance even power limiting a 14600K. You will gain it. Because the generation gap is large enough to gain easy 50% IPC at the same exact frequency.

So if you used 14600K at base frequency (3.5ghz Pcores) it would still be faster than an 8700K at its Max boost, 4.7ghz. Base wattage for the 14600K is 125w, but that includes the e-cores. And if the e-cores are not utilized in gaming, you'll probably be within your target wattage easily.

 

[claudio mp]

An important information to you

hani.yassine ,If you Whant to buy an 14600k you MUST pair this CPU at least whit an z690 chip set , Because you have a lot of configurations parameters that low power consumption a LOT! Just Buy an MSI Z690P ,That is cheap, upgrade to last bios , I RAN Cinebench R23 whit 24500 point in multi , using ONLY 128W ,in games will be a lot lower like 55w.​

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[sLowEnd]

it's 220v (i know there is plenty of wattage left but i run multiple appliance in my home so my current setup power draw is prefect) as for the generator the backup electricity is already coming from a big generator but he split the load across multiple houses my current pc draw about 50-60w cpu and 150-170w gpu which i plan to keep same draw so was trying to figure out if i limit the cpu to these pl1 and pl2 if it affect gaming my friend did a test in need for speed game at 2k with a 4070super without limit cpu was pulling 160w average fps about 140-150 with the limit 65w was same fps which is surprising but i want to make sure


in my country the ryzen is 310$ i5-14600kf 186$ also i plan to do productivity task so the i5 is better for me and i dont like ryzen because of the high idle power draw

APUs like the 8700G do not have high idle power draw. They are monolithic, not chiplet-based like normal Ryzen CPUs.

 

[hani.yassine.0]

An important information to you

hani.yassine ,If you Whant to buy an 14600k you MUST pair this CPU at least whit an z690 chip set , Because you have a lot of configurations parameters that low power consumption a LOT! Just Buy an MSI Z690P ,That is cheap, upgrade to last bios , I RAN Cinebench R23 whit 24500 point in multi , using ONLY 128W ,in games will be a lot lower like 55w.​

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that the exact model im planning to buy ! can you give me your configuration ? undervolt and such? im still confused if i should disable cep or enable it it mix opinions on the internet so your experience on this model is appreciated

 

[hani.yassine.0]

Hello.

First off, you won't loose performance even power limiting a 14600K. You will gain it. Because the generation gap is large enough to gain easy 50% IPC at the same exact frequency.

So if you used 14600K at base frequency (3.5ghz Pcores) it would still be faster than an 8700K at its Max boost, 4.7ghz. Base wattage for the 14600K is 125w, but that includes the e-cores. And if the e-cores are not utilized in gaming, you'll probably be within your target wattage easily.

yeah i know for sure it's faster but was trying to see the performance loss within teh same cpu different tdp i think in gaming is minimal since when i reduce the tdp ecores get slower first and most games dont benefit from them

 

[hani.yassine.0]

for anyone coming in the future i found a german video that did test the i7-14700k at 120w,100w,80w and 60w at 1080p and 2k which gave me the answer (at 4k there were no difference it was gpu heavy)