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I5 2500K Upgrade - R5 3600 - x470 - Quick look over parts please.

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Hello, It's been a while.

I'm set to upgrade my 2500K as it's started suffering from instability, I think I've had my monies worth out of it lol!

I'm looking at moving over into AMD Ryzen 5, But haven't kept up to date with specs and reviews.


This is only for Mobo - CPU - Ram - SSD.

GPU's (2x970), Case, PSU, And all small parts are going to be migrated.

The System needs to be SLI capable.



Ryzen 5 3600 Standard version with standard cooler. My Hyper 212 may get migrated if I can find the parts.

MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max.

Patriot Viper Steel 3200Mhz 16Gb (8x2), Cl 16, 1.35v

Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 512Gb 3.5K read 2.3K write.


If anyone knows why I shouldn't be picking those components pipe up!

Many thanks!
 

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Hello, It's been a while.

I'm set to upgrade my 2500K as it's started suffering from instability, I think I've had my monies worth out of it lol!

I'm looking at moving over into AMD Ryzen 5, But haven't kept up to date with specs and reviews.


This is only for Mobo - CPU - Ram - SSD.

GPU's (2x970), Case, PSU, And all small parts are going to be migrated.

The System needs to be SLI capable.



Ryzen 5 3600 Standard version with standard cooler. My Hyper 212 may get migrated if I can find the parts.

MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max.

Patriot Viper Steel 3200Mhz 16Gb (8x2), Cl 16, 1.35v

Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 512Gb 3.5K read 2.3K write.


If anyone knows why I shouldn't be picking those components pipe up!

Many thanks!
Make sure the ram is Ryzen compatible
 
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looks good if you can step up to the Tomahawk max its a pretty decent upgrade in the VRM department for a usually extra 10-15 more in whatever your local currency is.

3200 is a pretty safe speed on the ram... Some 3600s have an issue 3600 ddr4 and run the IF at half speed.

edit... I see you're looking at an X470 board... Tomahawk is probably better price/perf board depending on how close they're in price. The VRM on the Tomahawk will likely run cooler actually.
 
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Tomahawk max its a pretty decent upgrade
Looked at those but the B450 wasn't recommended for SLI, It also has a weaker VRM, Fewer USB, and lacks one m2 slot. Price-wise both are within a beer of each other.

The X470 having 2x PCIE 3 8x8x for sli.
B450 having 1x PCIE 3x and 1x PCIE 2x for 8x4x

It seems like a downgrade to go B450 when the X470 is the same price.


ram is Ryzen compatible
I'll double-check the ram, There's a few in a similar price point. I figured AMD would have got past the Gen 1 memory issues, but it's good to know if they haven't. Corsair LPX 3000mhz is slightly cheaper so I can switch between the 2 on the build if I can't get a decent memory report for the Patriot.
 
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I would recommend x570 so you're set for Zen3.
 
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Looked at those but the B450 wasn't recommended for SLI, It also has a weaker VRM, Fewer USB, and lacks one m2 slot. Price-wise both are within a beer of each other.

The X470 having 2x PCIE 3 8x8x for sli.
B450 having 1x PCIE 3x and 1x PCIE 2x for 8x4x

It seems like a downgrade to go B450 when the X470 is the same price.



I'll double-check the ram, There's a few in a similar price point. I figured AMD would have got past the Gen 1 memory issues, but it's good to know if they haven't. Corsair LPX 3000mhz is slightly cheaper so I can switch between the 2 on the build if I can't get a decent memory report for the Patriot.

Yeah its a trade off the X470 seems to hit close to 100C on the VRMs with a 2700X overclocked from what I can find online vs The B450 Tomahawk Max that only hits around 80C with an overclocked 3900X which actualy uses more power. Probably why the MSI x470 board is so cheap. I would probably look at something with a 6 phase vrm if you want to stick with x470...

They likely have identical/similar 4 phase vrm but the Tomahawk has a better heatsink from the looks of it.

also SLI is pretty dead and I don't see developers supporting it well in the future.

That's up to you though obviously I think this platform can last long enough to give you another decent upgrade in the future something like a 12 core 4000 chip on the cheap a couple years from now.
 
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That's up to you though obviously I think this platform can last long enough to give you another decent upgrade in the future something like a 12 core 4000 chip on the cheap a couple years from now.

It'll last as long as I make it. I'm not one for upgrading at regular intervals. I take my cpu's to the point they struggle before I upgrade.

With that in mind, AM4 will be dead long before I look at a new chip.

To put this into perspective I ran a manchester core socket 939 x2 3800 right up to 2011. So that ran for 7 years, The 2500K has run for 9 years.

I do play games but not high-end ones. ATM I'm playing World of tanks @ 5870x1080 resolution and the computer is absolutely fine just no longer stable. It randomly restarts and I suspect it's a failing memory controller as it just goes dead with no errors. New first-person shooters ect I have absolutely no interest in. In fact, the last true 1st person shooter I played and loved was Unreal Tournament 99.


I'm also not planning on overclocking. None of the current-gen CPU's offer viable overclocking. All of them are running right on the wire with perhaps 2-300 Mhz improvements. The 2500K overclocking was worth it, but the 3600 is a different animal as the power requirements are just exponential for very little gains. The days of the Jiuhb bartons are well and truly gone!
 
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Your choice of parts is super solid for your goals and going with a MAX board at the very least is a very smart idea. Price on that X470 boards seems pretty great and its a great fit for the 6 core and 8 core ryzen 3000 chips.

Specifically for gaming you can plop any cpu into that board even a 3950X at stock I was just trying to relay that the vrm on the Tomahawk seems a bit better.


@Iceni How are those 970s holding up? I had a set of MSI gaming ones like 4 years ago I sold due to having issues at 4k with their 3.5GB/.5GB
vram split

The last benchmark I ran on them before selling them off they served me really well for a couple years.


 
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I would recommend x570 so you're set for Zen3
X570 looks great, but I can't see me using any of the overheads it offers. My GPU's should be good for a couple more years for the way I play. Then once they hit the upgrade bench we will probably be seeing the 1st wave of PCIE4 cards that can actually use the bandwidth, It'll then be a couple more years before that moves over into the mainstream. So I'll probably pick up PCIE4 cards at that point, use them bottlenecked for a couple of years then get on the CPU bandwagon again with a new motherboard. Futureproofing doesn't really work with the way I upgrade. I used to do it but I've been caught out far too many times been an early adopter of tech then finding it gets a revision in hardware that fixes some critical bug that all the early adopters then have to live with.

It's far better to just build a solid machine and turn off the features that I see as pointless. (I'm old in computer terms).

If I were looking at a higher spec machine then I would probably go with X570, but I would also be wanting a 12core chip for it. ATM those chips might not end up being the future. And it is absolutely pointless picking up a machine that gives me such a CPU overhead when I'll be gimping it on the GPU's.


How are those 970s holding up?
For what I do, Absolutely no problems. They get stripped about once a year and rebuild with fresh thermal compound. Outside of that, I don't run a resolution high enough that the V-ram issue has been a problem. Had I gone 4K rather than 3 monitors that might have been different. I wanted the extra width for flight sims and tank games, where the extra width gives a real advantage. 4K at the time of buying my monitors was pretty early, and no one knew if it was going to be anything more than a fad, It was also cheaper to go 3x1080 than 1x4K. The monitors I ended up with were all 27" and all cost about the same as a current low end 28" 4K. Was I buying now my choices might change, but I think it would be hard to give up the advantages 3 monitors has given me.
 
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X570 looks great, but I can't see me using any of the overheads it offers. My GPU's should be good for a couple more years for the way I play. Then once they hit the upgrade bench we will probably be seeing the 1st wave of PCIE4 cards that can actually use the bandwidth, It'll then be a couple more years before that moves over into the mainstream. So I'll probably pick up PCIE4 cards at that point, use them bottlenecked for a couple of years then get on the CPU bandwagon again with a new motherboard. Futureproofing doesn't really work with the way I upgrade. I used to do it but I've been caught out far too many times been an early adopter of tech then finding it gets a revision in hardware that fixes some critical bug that all the early adopters then have to live with.

It's far better to just build a solid machine and turn off the features that I see as pointless. (I'm old in computer terms).

If I were looking at a higher spec machine then I would probably go with X570, but I would also be wanting a 12core chip for it. ATM those chips might not end up being the future. And it is absolutely pointless picking up a machine that gives me such a CPU overhead when I'll be gimping it on the GPU's.
I think you're pretty golden as far as gaming with Zen 2 as both Sony and Microsoft is using it for their next gen systems and we all know Devs target consoles when developing games so you should be fine for the next half decade other than possibly needing more threads at some point depending on what you're doing with the chip.

if you do plan on keeping this system longer than 3 years gen 4 pcie might be a good idea if you plan on upgrading your gpus in the next 3 years at the very least it doesn't hurt to be able to stick substantially faster storage into your system once devs start targeting it with the new consoles and it gets a bit cheaper/better.

There's nothing wrong with grabbing what you need now and adapting when the time comes either because like you said who knows especially with ddr5 likely in the next couple years and 7GBps+ SSD being available and viable from a cost perspective.
 
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if you do plan on keeping this system longer than 3 years gen 4 pcie might be a good idea
I doubt it will be. PCIE4 might look good, and the performance might be incredible. But to get the advantage of it you will need to be running a card that is well out of my budget in 3 years time.

I don't know how many revisions of CPU's and motherboard designs you have lived through but one thing is constant with graphics. The slot comes first with huge overheads, and the first couple of waves of cards that use the new revision don't use the bandwith. It takes GPU's several years to catch up, and start to push into and use what is available.

It'll also be PCIE5 you want to watch. It's a 128bit rather than the 64bit of PCIE4, At 128bit it'll be easier to implement and will probably kill PCIE4 pretty quickly, Not for graphics but for storage.
 
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I doubt it will be. PCIE4 might look good, and the performance might be incredible. But to get the advantage of it you will need to be running a card that is well out of my budget in 3 years time.

I don't know how many revisions of CPU's and motherboard designs you have lived through but one thing is constant with graphics. The slot comes first with huge overheads, and the first couple of waves of cards that use the new revision don't use the bandwith. It takes GPU's several years to catch up, and start to push into and use what is available.

It'll also be PCIE5 you want to watch. It's a 128bit rather than the 64bit of PCIE4, At 128bit it'll be easier to implement and will probably kill PCIE4 pretty quickly.

Yeah, should be interesting even though IPC has somewhat slowed chips are getting wider and storage is getting substantially faster at a decent clip.

I've only been serious into pc hardware for about a decade and have owned 8 different PC from mid range to relatively high end since then but I've also done over 30 builds with the majority coming in the last 3 years.

if you look at 2011 to 2016 mainstream pc were stuck with quads and you had to go with an HEDT chip from intel if you wanted more cores and a typically substantially higher price which I feel limited MC growth substantially when it comes to Games/programs benefiting from increase threads..... Over the last 3 years that has jumped all the way up to 16 cores that nearly match $2000 chips from a couple years ago in performance pretty exciting times..... If you told me I would be able to buy a high performance 12 core cpu for less than 500 in 3 years back in 2016 I would have told you to lay off the drugs.

I've only been serious into pc hardware for about a decade and have owned 8 different PC from mid range to relatively high end since then but I've also done over 30 builds with the majority coming in the last 3 years.
 
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Hardware works in leaps. It always has.

In the early 2000's I was doing what you are doing now, but we had so much more to play with. You could buy a cheap 1.4ghz chip, whack a huge cooler on it and run over 2ghz. To put that into perspective it's like spending $100 for a $1000 CPU. It was insanely fun, And on more than one occasion I've actually set motherboards on fire!

The past 10 years has been the biggest flat spot in gains on hardware I've ever known. It's about time thing shifted. Once things start to move you won't have enough cash to keep up.
 
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Well he's right, ago bandwidth wasn't exceeded until gtx200, pcie 1x wasn't to slow until GTX 680, pcie2x was fine until GTX 980ti.

I remember way back testing a 6800gt on an ago 4x vs 8x board and their was no difference, and agp 8x is the same speed as pcie 8x which was fine until SLI gtx280
 
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Well he's right, ago bandwidth wasn't exceeded until gtx200
I ran AGP until 2011. Was running an ATI X1950pro AGP lol. Only 9 years ago. It was on it's knees by the end!
 
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The Patriot Viper RAM should work fine. I'd steer clear of the LPX modules as there are too many revisions and some don't work well with Ryzen.
 
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If you look at my system specs you will see what I run which is very much what you want to upgrade to and it supports W7 if you intend to use it as well.

Sli/W7 compatible Mobo X470 Gaming Pro Carbon
2x8GB DDR4 3600Mhz RAM
SLi 970's
 
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If you look at my system specs you will see what I run which is very much what you want to upgrade to and it supports W7 if you intend to use it as well.

Sli/W7 compatible Mobo X470 Gaming Pro Carbon
2x8GB DDR4 3600Mhz RAM
SLi 970's
Do not run 7, it's unsupported and there are already exploits that are published that won't be fixed. That's like sticking a sign in your yard that says rob me I'm a passifist and I won't resist.
 
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Do not run 7, it's unsupported and there are already exploits that are published that won't be fixed. That's like sticking a sign in your yard that says rob me I'm a passifist and I won't resist.
Dont read into the BS dude, its perfectly fine and Ive been running it for yrs on Ryzen without any issues, been rock solid! and I still get updates for it.
 

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Looked at those but the B450 wasn't recommended for SLI, It also has a weaker VRM, Fewer USB, and lacks one m2 slot. Price-wise both are within a beer of each other.

The X470 having 2x PCIE 3 8x8x for sli.
B450 having 1x PCIE 3x and 1x PCIE 2x for 8x4x

It seems like a downgrade to go B450 when the X470 is the same price.



I'll double-check the ram, There's a few in a similar price point. I figured AMD would have got past the Gen 1 memory issues, but it's good to know if they haven't. Corsair LPX 3000mhz is slightly cheaper so I can switch between the 2 on the build if I can't get a decent memory report for the Patriot.
Corsair, go to their website and verify it, they were the worst in compatibility.
 
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Dont read into the BS dude, its perfectly fine and Ive been running it for yrs on Ryzen without any issues, been rock solid! and I still get updates for it.
yea as a sys admin, its no longer supported by Microsoft, it no longer gets updates unless your a software assurance partner, it's like playing russian roulette with all 6 chambers loaded
 
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yea as a sys admin, its no longer supported by Microsoft, it no longer gets updates unless your a software assurance partner, it's like playing russian roulette with all 6 chambers loaded
They should of never changed what worked from 3.1 to 7, how everything was laid out...

If anything phone editions should of stayed closer to desktop model than being a copycat of Android/iOS
 
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yea as a sys admin, its no longer supported by Microsoft, it no longer gets updates unless your a software assurance partner, it's like playing russian roulette with all 6 chambers loaded
Just like Windows 8 and XP and do you ever hear or anyone having issues? nope, again dont read into it and all my W7 PC's (10) are still getting updates and Im not a partner.
 
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