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i7-13700HX capped at 25 watts

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Greetings,

I have an i7-13700HX, and its been a year since I have really tuned my PC. I recently had to reset everything, so here I am now.
I ran some tests, and previously with some undervolting I achieved 30% more performance than I am now. I noticed that my CPU isn't boosting much past 25 watts, nor is it getting very hot anymore.

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Here are some screenshots, the above score is from now, the below are scores I used to get a couple of months ago.
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If someone could please help, thank you.
 
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I recently had to reset everything, so here I am now.
What was the reason for the "reset". What exactly did you do?

Did you perhaps restore the BIOS back to its Default settings and disable Throttlestop?

On a desktop system I'd be inclined to install a fresh copy of Windows on a new SSD (without Throttlestop) and see what happens.

On a laptop, it's a different matter. You'd need too open up the laptop which can be tricky, especially if you're not experienced with such operations or concerned about warranties.

Next best thing might be to boot the laptop from a Linux distro on a USB memory stick and run some tests.
https://www.techradar.com/best/best-usb-bootable-distros

You could even build a bootable Windows USB stick with WinToUSB. A bit slower than booting from internal SSD, but OK for testing.
https://www.easyuefi.com/wintousb/

The idea is to see if it's an Operating System/Throttlestop problem, or purely a hardware fault.
 
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I upgraded the SSD from the stock kioxia 512GB to a WD 1TB, and also installed a new OS and everything, to remove the bloatware which it came with. So I basically restarted. It is a gaming laptop, OMEN 16t-Wf000 model.
 
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installed a new OS and everything
OK, bang goes my theory a new OS would fix things. So far it's done the exact opposite. It's made things worse.

Am I correct in thinking the old OS + "bloatware" allowed the CPU to run at full speed?

If so, you might not have installed "everything" you need to permit normal working on the new OS, i.e the correct drivers. Laptops can be tricky because they normally have two power sources, mains and battery. Desktops tend to have only one power source, namely mains. This makes desktop operating systems less complex on the power front.

In most laptops, there are two power profiles which control the CPU's power output, depending on the power source. When running from mains, it's more common to allow the CPU to run at higher or full speed, when programs require more processing power. When running from battery only, the OS will usually switch to another power profile which optionally allows you to reduce maximum CPU power,to extend battery life. Tasks take longer or slow down, but the battery often lasts longer too.

If you don't have all the relevant Windows drivers loaded for the battery and the battery charging circuits, plus any of the laptop manufacturer's software that interfaces with the Windows mains/battery power profiles, you might end up in your situation.

Question.

Have you checked HP's web site and downloaded all the drivers associated with your laptop? Have you applied these drivers? Have you checked the Windows profiles for mains and battery under Power Options? There may be some setting that needs to be tweaked.

If you still have the old SSD and it boots into Windows, you could temporarily re-install it and check all the drivers in Control Panel under Batteries. Make a note of each item and its associated driver and version number. Check the mains and battery power profile settings under Power Options. You'll probably find a few differences which might help you to fix the problem in the new OS.

If the worst comes to the worst, you might consider cloning the old SSD (complete with all that nasty "bloatware") on to the new SSD, and seek alternative ways to get rid of things you don't like. There are online tutorials on how to reduce Windows "footprint" by selectively disabling Services, Registry hacks and other techniques. You may lose some functionality, but you might end up with an OS more to your liking. If the "bloatware" is third party (not Microsoft) it should be easier to get rid of some/most/all of it, with some hard work and a bit of luck.

I recommend getting the new OS working properly, before you attempt to undervolt the CPU again. Windows might have detected something unexpected during installation on the new SSD if the CPU was undervolted and Microsoft made some inappropriate settings based on unusual behaviour, for a CPU with "restricted" settings. I tend to disable XMP, PBO and any other overclock settings in the BIOS of a desktop PC, before installing Windows. Similarly, I restore a laptop's BIOS to stock before installing Windows.

It's not unknown for laptop manufacturers to include trial copies of anti virus software and other unwanted "offerings". Is this the "bloatware" you were trying to get rid of?
 
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Greetings,

I have an i7-13700HX, and its been a year since I have really tuned my PC. I recently had to reset everything, so here I am now.
I ran some tests, and previously with some undervolting I achieved 30% more performance than I am now. I noticed that my CPU isn't boosting much past 25 watts, nor is it getting very hot anymore.

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Here are some screenshots, the above score is from now, the below are scores I used to get a couple of months ago. View attachment 383603
If someone could please help, thank you.
How did you manage to undervolt? I have the same system as you, but for me its locked.
 
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HP tends to cap bad the CPUs on their laptop because they do come with very cheap cooling solutions, small heatsinks, shity fans and pipes that are not all the time linked as they should or are just insufficient.
Last I tested was an HP 17" with an Intel I7 8700, I tested it against an old desktop I5 2500K CPU in R23, the I 5 was better with about 2 %. 6 years difference in between those 2 CPUs. What a sad joke.

HP makes laptops with powerful CPUs but are present in those laptops just with the name. Caps them hard on power so are not overheating and the shity supplied batteries last for longer.

Play with the BIOS, in Windows make sure you remove any HP software that have any resemblance of using Remote Connections, disable Prefetch service and Fast Boot. I'm afraid you got some digging to do and next time you buying laptops remember that.
 
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HP tends to cap bad the CPUs on their laptop because they do come with very cheap cooling solutions, small heatsinks, shity fans and pipes that are not all the time linked as they should or are just insufficient.
Last I tested was an HP 17" with an Intel I7 8700, I tested it against an old desktop I5 2500K CPU in R23, the I 5 was better with about 2 %. 6 years difference in between those 2 CPUs. What a sad joke.

HP makes laptops with powerful CPUs but are present in those laptops just with the name. Caps them hard on power so are not overheating and the shity supplied batteries last for longer.

Play with the BIOS, in Windows make sure you remove any HP software that have any resemblance of using Remote Connections, disable Prefetch service and Fast Boot. I'm afraid you got some digging to do and next time you buying laptops remember that.
Do not listen to any of this nonsense.

You absolutely must have the HP power management drivers installed. That comes first. Easiest way is to perform a recovery installation, not a clean Windows install.
 
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Do not listen to any of this nonsense.

You absolutely must have the HP power management drivers installed. That comes first. Easiest way is to perform a recovery installation, not a clean Windows install.
Did you ever asked yourself what comes with their "mandatory" driver suites and why they made sure is mandatory?
For example Dell capped in bios already slow by that time HDDs native 5400 to 4200RPM. They bought some shady lot from Seagate HDDs which was overheating, in order to not die in warranty they did capped them in BIOS to 4200 RPM on systems with already very low RAM as well. Yeah out of user sight.
 
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Did you ever asked yourself what comes with their "mandatory" driver suites and why they made sure is mandatory?
For example Dell capped in bios already slow by that time HDDs native 5400 to 4200RPM. They bought some shady lot from Seagate HDDs which was overheating, in order to not die in warranty they did capped them in BIOS to 4200 RPM on systems with already very low RAM as well. Yeah out of user sight.
Yes, I’m fully versed on HP laptop power management.

Go babble about your old Dell in another thread.
 
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The point remains HP throttles and locks on power and clocks do to the limitations of cooling and battery endurance. Normal end user with low expertise is out of control upon those caps, even they manage to do something about it, it will be reverted at the restart.
Edit: forgot to mention both Laptops have as TIC TF8.
 
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The point remains HP throttles and locks on power and clocks do to the limitations of cooling and battery endurance. Normal end user with low expertise is out of control upon those caps, even they manage to do something about it, it will be reverted at the restart.
Edit: forgot to mention both Laptops have as TIC TF8.

None of which is helpful to the OP for resolving his problem.

How did you manage to undervolt? I have the same system as you, but for me its locked.
He didn't. All HP/Dell/Etc computers are voltage locked. Look up Plundervolt.
 
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