I7 3770k vs i7 7700k

[peche]

a wise upgrade will be adding a video card, thats all, with XMP you just need to try a bit moar numbers up in your unlocked multiplier, try to keep the stock voltage, if possible use max 1.35V

Regards,

 

[eidairaman1]

Wow thanks for all the post guys I guess I'll just hold onto my current setup ATM.

Btw my current setup is.

-P8Z77-I DELUXE mono
-I7-3770k CPU with Corsair h110 CPU water cooler.
-Samsung evo 500gb ssd
-Corsair ax860 psu
-Corsair CML16GX3M2A1600C10 -Vengeance Low Profile 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600 Mhz CL10 XMP Performance Desktop Memory Kit Black.
Philips 40" 4k monitor.

And last but not least....
Intel Onboard graphics lmao!
but I'm in the process of upgrading to a gtx 1080.

I think I'm running xmp profle automatic overclock in the bios God knows what speed that is or if it's any good.

So I'll leave it as it is? Or shall I overclock the memory CPU more?

Thanks guys

Grab the latest motherboard bios before plugging a new gpu in.

 

[Vario]

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I hope you realize what you are saying

Presumably he games. Gaming performance in terms of frame rate is nearly identical. Go ahead, waste your time pulling up a few instances or benchmarks where it isn't. Then try to justify the expense of an upgrade to something that is nearly identical.

If Intel does start making serious performance gains in the next few years instead of paltry 1-5% improvements from generation to generation, he would be a fool to waste his money now when the difference is so small for what he does (gaming?).

 

[i9000gt]

yeah guys its really just for gaming. thanks guys read everyones post and i think im just gonna stick to my current setup, stick a gtx 1080 in there. and overclock it a bit!!! much appreciated everyone thanks!

 

[FireFox]

Complete waste of money to move to 7700K imo.

No if you can afford it

 

[cfortney92]

Wow thanks for all the post guys I guess I'll just hold onto my current setup ATM.

Btw my current setup is.

-P8Z77-I DELUXE mono
-I7-3770k CPU with Corsair h110 CPU water cooler.
-Samsung evo 500gb ssd
-Corsair ax860 psu
-Corsair CML16GX3M2A1600C10 -Vengeance Low Profile 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600 Mhz CL10 XMP Performance Desktop Memory Kit Black.
Philips 40" 4k monitor.

And last but not least....
Intel Onboard graphics lmao!
but I'm in the process of upgrading to a gtx 1080.

I think I'm running xmp profle automatic overclock in the bios God knows what speed that is or if it's any good.

So I'll leave it as it is? Or shall I overclock the memory CPU more?

Thanks guys

I have a nearly identical setup to you - same motherboard, same CPU, same RAM, nearly the same monitor (I have the refreshed Philips 43" 4K IPS monitor) and I dropped an EVGA GTX 1080 SC into it. Pretty narrow fit into my Silverstone SG-13, but the performance is great! I've been looking at upgrading everything to Kaby Lake, but the only thing I think I'll gain is access to streaming 4K content as it becomes available and a couple frames. Doesn't seem worth the cost of everything to me, even though I can afford it.

 

[i9000gt]

I have a nearly identical setup to you - same motherboard, same CPU, same RAM, nearly the same monitor (I have the refreshed Philips 43" 4K IPS monitor) and I dropped an EVGA GTX 1080 SC into it. Pretty narrow fit into my Silverstone SG-13, but the performance is great! I've been looking at upgrading everything to Kaby Lake, but the only thing I think I'll gain is access to streaming 4K content as it becomes available and a couple frames. Doesn't seem worth the cost of everything to me, even though I can afford it.

What do u mean access to streaming you can do that anyway with i7-3770k right?

And did you overclock your setup? If so, what?

 

[NinkobEi]

That statement is absolutely false!

My 7700K at stock speed running Firestrike and noting the PhysX score beat my 3770K OCd to 5ghz by 1,000 points.

When I OCd the 7700K to 5ghz it beat the 3770Ks PhysX score at 5ghz by over 3,000 points.

The RAM is going to play at least a decent-sized part in that. 1600mhz ddr3 lacks a lot of bandwidth compared to DDR4.

 

[droopyRO]

The only game i played where RAM speed made a small difference was Witcher 3 at 1333 i got something like 70 fps in a scene and at 2133 75 fps. If you are building a new rig go for >2000 Mhz RAM speed but if you have an old platform with 3770k like i have don`t bother. Invest that money in a new GPU if you want more frame rate.

 

[NinkobEi]

The only game i played where RAM speed made a small difference was Witcher 3 at 1333 i got something like 70 fps in a scene and at 2133 75 fps. If you are building a new rig go for >2000 Mhz RAM speed but if you have an old platform with 3770k like i have don`t bother. Invest that money in a new GPU if you want more frame rate.

er, the guy was talking about 3dmark scores. RAM certainly plays a part there

 

[Palladium]

In general, people exaggerate and overanalyse the shit out of CPU differences in games. I doubt most will even pass a blind test in most games between a 7700K vs a G4560, much less a 3770K.

That said, plenty of Ebayers are paying near-MSRP for used 3770Ks and Z77 boards, if you can find one to sell to why not?

 

[EarthDog]

The RAM is going to play at least a decent-sized part in that. 1600mhz ddr3 lacks a lot of bandwidth compared to DDR4.

Maybe 10% of the difference really.

er, the guy was talking about 3dmark scores. RAM certainly plays a part there

Not a big one, however.

 

[hat]

Well, jumping from 1600 DDR3 to fast DDR4 will yield some benefit to FPS, along with the better CPU. Of course, unless you're rolling in cash, the only logical solution remains upgrading the video card only. If you have the funding to pay for an entire new platform... there will be some added benefit, but how much is debatable. You're probably better off clocking the piss out of your existing chip and RAM.

 

[Mussels]

Planning on upgrading to the i7 7700k from the i7 3770k as I'm planning on getting a gtx 1080

Do I really need to upgrade the CPU or will the 3770k be just fine?

Thanks guys

look at my specs. 3770k handles a gtx 1080 just fine.

definitely run fast DDR3 to get the most out of the chip, i have a handy image of someone who did sandy/ivy/skylake comparisons and found out ram speed was one of the key factors seperating them for gaming.

there is 100% a noticeable difference with a GTX 1080 at 4K, between slower and faster ram. Slowest i'd use is 1866, after that the gains reduce.

 

[Recon-UK]

Not found a game that maxes my XEON yet... it won't drive a 1080 to max GPU usage in some games i'm sure but that's due to old tech and a glass ceiling rather than a bottleneck.

8 threaded intel chips still got a lot of power under the hood, especially overclocked.

 

[LiveOrDie]

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I hope you realize what you are saying

Haha only a 7700K owner would say that, for gaming even a 2600K with a OC is fine, and DDR4 memory is no faster than DDR3, go out and buy our self a new GPU.

 

[droopyRO]

i have a handy image of someone who did sandy/ivy/skylake comparisons and found out ram speed was one of the key factors seperating them for gaming.

Why is there a 10 fps difference at stock speed for the 2500k and at 4.5Ghz there is a 6 fps between 1600 and 2133 Mhz ?

 

[basco]

if i understand your question correct:
at 4,6ghz cpu speed the gpu is more saturated then with stock.

 

[Mussels]

OCing the CPU and RAM help on their own, but help more, together. the full review (lost the link) contained a 3770k as well, with more ram speeds - i saved that image to show a friend with a 2500k why it was worth coughing up the extra few $ for 2400mhz ram like mine, over stick 1333

 

[R-T-B]

and DDR4 memory is no faster than DDR3

From a latency to Mhz perspective, high end DDR4 is finally starting to beat high-end DDR3 so no, not really true anymore.

That said no game is going to care.

 

[yogurt_21]

Why is there a 10 fps difference at stock speed for the 2500k and at 4.5Ghz there is a 6 fps between 1600 and 2133 Mhz ?

tunnel vision if you believe something so hard you force yourself to not see anything that contests it.
witcher 3 2500k stock all 1600MHZ ddr3 = 60.8 fps
stock cpu, 2133 ram = 70.1fps
oc cpu 1600 ram = 72.8fps
oc cpu 2133 ram = 86.4fps

so to recap at stock upgrading the ram gave you 9.3 fps or 15.3% improvement
oc the cpu gives you 12 fps (+19.7%) more over stock or 2.7 fps more over stock cpu with 2133 ram (+3.8%)
however if you overclock the cpu AND get better ram it nets you 26.4 fps above stock or a 43.4% improvement
the 2133 accounts for 13.6 fps over the same oc cpu with 1600 ram or an 18.6% improvement.

far cry 4 sees similar gains while BF4 and crysis 3 show lesser ones. GTA5 results are between but still very significant.

to average them all you get
stock cpu 1600 ram 361 total fps averaging 72.2 per game (stock)
stock cpu 2133 ram 397.5 total fps averaging 79.5 per game (+10% over stock)
cpu 4.5GHZ 1600 ram 426.2 total fps averaging 85.2 per game (+18% over stock)
cpu 4.5GHZ 2133 ram 472.5 total fps averaging 94.5 per game (+ 30.8% over stock)

going from 1600 to 2133 memory alone is an additional 10-12% overall. That can easily be the difference between playable at your detail level and not. Overclocking the cpu alone does give the biggest individual boost, but doing that and bumping the memory is the sweet spot.

you need to broaden your tunnel. If this works for a 2500k, it's going to be far greater on a more modern chipset.

 

[droopyRO]

tunnel vision

In BF4 (cause that is the only MP game in that table) 88 vs 98 at stock, 104 vs 110 at 4.5Ghz
In GTA5 you need to overclock to 4.5 with 2133 memory to get above 60 fps. That means a good cooler and a memory upgrade vs changing your GPU. Rest of the games are already >60 fps , so what tunnel vision are you on about Mighty Mouse ?

 

[yogurt_21]

In BF4 (cause that is the only MP game in that table) 88 vs 98 at stock, 104 vs 110 at 4.5Ghz
In GTA5 you need to overclock to 4.5 with 2133 memory to get above 60 fps. That means a good cooler and a memory upgrade vs changing your GPU. Rest of the games are already >60 fps , so what tunnel vision are you on about Mighty Mouse ?

ah the tunnel.

so of the many popular games including several games of the year, only bf4 counts because "multiplayer"

ok there punkin.

 

[droopyRO]

Of course, you are telling me that you missed a headshot in GTA 5 because you got 50 fps with 1600 Mhz memory ? oh the horror, lets throw money and upgrade to 2133Mhz on an old platform so that you get a constant and solid 60 fps. Or should we talk about nekkers getting you in Witcher 3 because well you had only 60 fps, what about aliens in Crysis 3, do a 360 no scope with 95 fps, impossibiru! lets upgrade to 2133Mhz so that you get 98 fps.
Is that a light a see at the end of the tunnel ??? or money wasted on an old platform ?

 

[FYFI13]

From a latency to Mhz perspective, high end DDR4 is finally starting to beat high-end DDR3 so no, not really true anymore.

That said no game is going to care.

Except Arma 2/3 *cough cough*. In this game fast RAM matters just as much as fast CPU. There's a nice thread about it on BIS forums.