i9-10900k at +115 ‘C @5.1ghz

[Ferd]

I was watching a video on YouTube in which the host tested a cpu cooler which he claims comes with most of the prebuilts with locked cpus, the interesting part is that the cpu (10900k) was running at 4.9 ghz at minimum during bf gameplay, occasionally boosting to 5.1ghz all while sitting at well above 100 degrees Celsius , max was 115 ( possible that actual temp was higher but that 115 was the max possible reading of the thermal probes).

Any idea what’s going on?

The host thought it was a bad reading but they updated the bios with no change, and temps dropped to reasonable numbers when he attached a better fan , so I don’t think the readings were off ... aren’t those chips rated for 100C max, lol It didn’t even stop turbo boosting .
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[Hyderz]

it was at 5ghz and then thermal throttling. dropped down to 4.9ghz
that tiny cooler is not made for 10900k, strap in a bigger cooler and you will see the 10900k at 5.1ghz more often while staying cool

 

[joemama]

Either they loosened the thermal throttling conditions or the thermal throttling mechanism isn't working properly

 

[ratirt]

The thermal capacity of the cooler is poor for something like OC'ed 10900K. No wonder it couldn't keep up.

 

[Ferd]

it was at 5ghz and then thermal throttling. dropped down to 4.9ghz

that tiny cooler is not made for 10900k, strap in a bigger cooler and you will see the 10900k at 5.1ghz more often while staying cool

Problem is it wasn’t throttling, it was boosting to 5.1 and gets to 115C , without shutting down, it’s not my rig , I was sharing someone else’s video

Either they loosened the thermal throttling conditions or the thermal throttling mechanism isn't working properly

There are many limits that have been violated, i have no idea how it kept running

The thermal capacity of the cooler is poor for something like OC'ed 10900K. No wonder it couldn't keep up.

It should’ve at least start throttling down the frequency to stay below 100 C ! Isn’t that how it works ? Idk if it’s a bios bug or what

 

[lowrider_05]

The Motherboard in that Video had a Default Thermal Limit of 115C and you could even disable the Limit if you wanted to fry your Chip fully. Just Watch the whole Video, he explains it.

 

[Ferd]

The Motherboard in that Video had a Default Thermal Limit of 115C and you could even disable the Limit if you wanted to fry your Chip fully. Just Watch the whole Video, he explains it.

I watched the whole video more than once , what about the dptf protection

 

[ratirt]

It should’ve at least start throttling down the frequency to stay below 100 C ! Isn’t that how it works ? Idk if it’s a bios bug or what

hmm good point. I double checked with Intel's specs and the tjMAX is 100c so how on earth it showed 115c is mind bugling. They must have removed some thermal restrictions?

 

[lexluthermiester]

It is entirely possible that the software was reading the thermals improperly. All Intel CPU's are calibrated before leaving QC to be packaged. There is no way in hell that CPU was 115C without shutting itself off completely

 

[Ferd]

They must have removed some thermal restrictions?

Yes in the video he shows that thermal throttling is disabled in bios , but there is intel’s own thermal protection that should’ve have kicked in , but instead nothing happened

It is entirely possible that the software was reading the thermals improperly. All Intel CPU's are calibrated before leaving QC to be packaged. There is no way in hell that CPU was 115C without shutting itself off completely

yeah it doesn’t make any sense, but looking at the cooling solution I don’t think it can keep up with the heat coming from a 10900k , the thing was pulling 130watts and 5ghz , with that cooler , assuming nothing is wrong I would at least expect the cpu to throttle

 

[ratirt]

yeah it doesn’t make any sense, but looking at the cooling solution I don’t think it can keep up with the heat coming from a 10900k

definitely not. That cooler is like a stock cooler for i3's Considering the power required for a 10900K it is a total misunderstanding using it with such a processor.

 

[Mussels]

Ah yes, so you can cook bacon while you game

after watching that video: never buy NZXT motherboards

 

[Vayra86]

I watched the whole video more than once , what about the dptf protection

That NZXT mobo is in fact an ECS board of bottom end quality - at 300 bucks or something. The implementation is quite different. Overclocking was also different on it than on most other Intel boards.

The NZXT N7 Z490 Motherboard Review: From A Different Direction

www.anandtech.com

Gotta love youtube eh, for giving you a daily riddle that was already solved.

 

[Ferd]

Gotta love youtube eh, for giving you a daily riddle that was already solved.

Hahahaha I feel dumb sometimes, but with the amount of information out there it can be overwhelming, it’s so nice to have people like you who know a bit of “ tech history “ .
Going through that link I see they complained about Power throttling, but nowhere they mentioned something close to this issue, a chip cooking itself

after watching that video: never buy NZXT motherboards

I think the board like this would still have users who will appreciate it ? Idk , if I wanted something that overrides all safety features this would be a good option, given that I know what am doing ofc

 

[Vayra86]

Hahahaha I feel dumb sometimes, but with the amount of information out there it can be overwhelming, it’s so nice to have people like you who know a bit of “ tech history “ .
Going through that link I see they complained about Power throttling, but nowhere they mentioned something close to this issue, a chip cooking itself


I think the board like this would still have users who will appreciate it ? Idk , if I wanted something that overrides all safety features this would be a good option, given that I know what am doing ofc

Don't feel dumb for not being overloaded with information. Its a curse

Anandtech did get the 10900k to 105C before they stopped their testing, and they didn't speak of it shutting down. Also of note is this:

"The effect of the throttling at 5.1 GHz shows in our POV-Ray benchmark performance. This is despite the CPU temperature still well within the thermal limitations, even with this setting disabled within the firmware. One possibility is that there could be a power limitation issue on this board within the firmware itself."

 

[Mussels]

Hahahaha I feel dumb sometimes, but with the amount of information out there it can be overwhelming, it’s so nice to have people like you who know a bit of “ tech history “ .
Going through that link I see they complained about Power throttling, but nowhere they mentioned something close to this issue, a chip cooking itself


I think the board like this would still have users who will appreciate it ? Idk , if I wanted something that overrides all safety features this would be a good option, given that I know what am doing ofc

really bad vdroop, issues with overclocking, safeties off by default

the only people who want it, are people willing to pay for the NZXT look and able to pay for new parts after the board kills them...

 

[Caring1]

Ah yes, so you can cook bacon while you game

after watching that video: never buy NZXT motherboards

I like my old NZXT Motherboard, never had a heat issue with it, but then I don't overclock on it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I like my old NZXT Motherboard, never had an issue with it, but then I don't overclock on it.

It's only been lately that NZXT has been having issues. How old is it?

 

[Caring1]

It's only been lately that NZXT has been having issues. How old is it?

Z370 with a 9600KF as in my specs.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Z370 with a 9600KF as in my specs.

And there you go. NZXTs troubles have been more recent. BTW, That's a "K" series i5. Give that thing some OC love! It's built for it. You should be able to get 4.8ghz all-core with minimal effort and minimal extra heat.

 

[newtekie1]

Wait, I don't get it. He set the TJMax to 95°C, then wondered why the CPU was running cooler but not clocking as high as it was before? And this guys a tech youtuber?!?

 

[freeagent]

115 is mighty impressive. My 3770K can only make it to 105-110

Yours kept going and mine just crashed

It can be repeatable, they are pretty tough

And holy fucking shit ECS is still around? And they still make boards??

I didn't think much of NZXT to begin with, turns out they are just another ECS.

 

[tabascosauz]

I think it was either for Z490 or B550 that NZXT switched to ASRock for hardware and firmware? So basically now they're dressed up, overpriced ASRock boards inside and out, but at least they function normally now. Z370/Z390 NZXT had some Dell-level BIOS functionality going on, really was a laughingstock for a Z-series board. The new ASRock NZXT is much more passable (and iirc the Z490 also came down in price a bit?). Can't get the color scheme elsewhere except on Vision D/Aero anyways. 50A VRM is much better suited for B550 than Z490 though.

Not sure what "not even Dell uses a cooler like this" is supposed to mean though, they've been slapping that crap on all of their XPS 8000s since like Sandy Bridge all the way up until maybe Coffee Lake. And even now the lower-end CPUs still get the shitty cooler, 10400 and 11400 having a wonderful time.

 

[Mussels]

Wait, I don't get it. He set the TJMax to 95°C, then wondered why the CPU was running cooler but not clocking as high as it was before? And this guys a tech youtuber?!?

No, he questioned why the behaviour was erratic


1. The TJmax on auto was 65-115C, meant to read from the CPU - but it did not, it just went to 118C as if it was disabled

2.He then threw the delta fan on top, which dropped the temps... and the clocks for no reason

3. He disabled thermal throttling entirely at 7:30 and... it clocked lower. Like... the settings are backwards?

 

[freeagent]

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I think it was either for Z490 or B550 that NZXT switched to ASRock for hardware and firmware? So basically now they're dressed up, overpriced ASRock boards inside and out, but at least they function normally now. Z370/Z390 NZXT had some Dell-level BIOS functionality going on, really was a laughingstock for a Z-series board. The new ASRock NZXT is much more passable (and iirc the Z490 also came down in price a bit?). Can't get the color scheme elsewhere except on Vision D/Aero anyways. 50A VRM is much better suited for B550 than Z490 though.

I do have to say I like my Z77 OC Formula and its archaic bios EATX kinda sucks though.. have to use a monster case.

Ahh it doesn't really bother my that they still live, I am impressed though.. I thought they were dead. They must be doing something right