IB De-Lidding Temps before and after

[SonDa5]

I admire your innovation, hows it running temps wise after the pads in place etc?

Hahahaha Thanks. Others have done similar stuff like this before. I'm finishing my most recent upgrades for my loop right now. Will be a few more days till i get it all put together. Waiting on a few parts.

 

[SonDa5]

I admire your innovation, hows it running temps wise after the pads in place etc?

I just completed my loop upgrades along with adding a layer around the die of Fujipoly Extreme .5mm thermal pad for support and to help cool.
I'm very happy with my initial results.
Just a quick and dirty standard run of Intel Burn Test right now.


Ambient Temp 17.6C
i5-3570k@4.5GHZ 1.14V
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2578618

Minumum temps
16C 19C 16C 11C

Maximum temps
43C 47C 46C 40C

 

[mediasorcerer]

Jeez, those are very good temps, damn i'm very tempted, how do you get the bloody lid off then? Got any tips?

 

[Vlada011]

I will never do that with my 3770k.
50-65C are safe temps for IB.
That's my temps during games on 4.5GHz.
For now I keep CPU on stock settings.
I will rather risk to solder EVGA GTX680 4GB Classified for voltage increase and few good fps + and better boost.
Improvements are better and process is safer that cooler on die.

 

[SonDa5]

Jeez, those are very good temps, damn i'm very tempted, how do you get the bloody lid off then? Got any tips?

OC.NET has a great delidding club with tons of information and the latest tips and tricks.


http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-ivy-bridge-club

 

[SonDa5]

Victory at last!!!

Ambient Temps 18.6C
IBT quick and dirty standard run

5GHZ@1.37v

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2578924

Idle Temps

21C 24C 21C 18C


Maximum Temps

62C 70C 67C 62C

 

[Vlada011]

WOW almost 3 times more GFlops than overclocked AMD FX8350.
Intel No 1. surfing, gaming, encoding CPU. In all sections we are winners.
That is real gaming CPU, nothing else.

 

[SonDa5]

Quick and dirty 5GHZ 3dMarkl11 run with single HD7950 over P1100!


http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4909584

 

[Pehla]

if i ever get my hands on some money i will experiment with this stuf!!
but even then it would be with some older hardware..maybe some phenom!! witch would then be great to overclock!! ....that's just me thinking outloud,hehe
but what u did is wery brave thing bro...nice job and great temps!!

 

[SonDa5]

if i ever get my hands on some money i will experiment with this stuf!!
but even then it would be with some older hardware..maybe some phenom!! witch would then be great to overclock!! ....that's just me thinking outloud,hehe
but what u did is wery brave thing bro...nice job and great temps!!

Ivy Bridge seems to be made for delidding.


Not sure how other cpus will react but with IB delidding is like magic.

 

[Vlada011]

I will not experiment with that, but I will experiment with soldering Kepler probably.
That will give me pure performance visible in applications what I need.
200MHz more not help me to much. Special because 100MHz more is not good number for me and 5.0GHz is questionable for 24/7 long use.
4.9GHz are not acceptable for me, than 4.5GHz looks good to me, I can get that and 4.8 without de-lidding. Bet if someone don't care for numbers, need 4.8-5.0GHz and have bad overclocker he can try if money is not problem. I would rather pay more over stock GTX680 than one more 3770k if this die.
I'm more angry because locked voltage on excellent GPU overclocker than to get 5.0GHz instead of 4.8GHz.

 

[SonDa5]

5.0GHz is questionable for 24/7 long use.

I think Delidding is more of an overclocker technique to maximizing temperature. Intel warranty is only 3 years I think.

I'm happy with 24/7 5GHZ stable with max temps well under 60C for any gaming or normal applications I run and barely reaches low 70C on 2 cores with Intel burn Test or Prime95.


1.4v 5GHZ 24/7 seems safe to me for long use as long as my temps are nice and cool.

 

[Jhelms]

I feel so old... back in the day our CPU's did not have lids. AND WE LIKED IT

 

[eidairaman1]

I feel so old... back in the day our CPU's did not have lids. AND WE LIKED IT

These are for noobs

 

[The Von Matrices]

I'm confused about this. Doesn't the processor need to be forced into the socket with hundreds of pounds of force in order for all the pins to make contact? Since you're not using the standard locking mechanism, how do you apply that much force to the processor die without it cracking? When processors were built without IHS, they had ZIF sockets that didn't require a constant downward pressure to maintain electrical contact, but since you need that pressure with a LGA processor, how do you apply it?

I remember the first time I put closed the socket retaining ring on my G620 system and heard a crunch. I thought I had cracked something, but it was only the force applied on the processor compressing the pins, and that was with the standard IHS. I can't imagine that much force applied on the die going well, and even if the die wasn't cracked immediately, wouldn't some other things happen over time? For example, the pressure being applied only in the center of the substrate might cause the outer pins to make less secure contact with the pads causing electrical issues, or the large pressure only in the center of the substrate might cause the substrate to warp into a concave shape over time? Someone please enlighten me.

 

[Vlada011]

First of all you need to have CPU mood for 5GHz.
That is not only because of temps. If you have CPU capable for 4.7-4.8GHz you risk for 15C less temps but 15C higher temps are 100% safe
and can't influence bad on other hardware.
I think I can hit 5.0GHz with some 1.400-1.425V with 20C less temps.

 

[Nordic]

First of all you need to have CPU mood for 5GHz.
That is not only because of temps. If you have CPU capable for 4.7-4.8GHz you risk for 15C less temps but 15C higher temps are 100% safe
and can't influence bad on other hardware.
I think I can hit 5.0GHz with some 1.400-1.425V with 20C less temps.

Proove it. I daare yooou

 

[Vlada011]

Nooo Noo I wait Haswell and new EVGA FTW 1150, I can sell this combo for good price, because I have proof for me everything work excellent. I play more games on EVGA Z77 FTW for 5 months than on CH4F for 1.5 years and I love this board more than any but I want and next generation i7. 4.8GHz is excellent for i7-3770k + HT Enable Prime95 90% RAM whole circle. I notice one thing LinX, Intel BT make CPU hotter but for Prime95 need little more voltages for same clock. 0.025V+
I live in poor country I need to give up from many things to buy platform for i7 and FTW board and Classified Graphic.
For people in my country that is like X79 Classified + 3960X for people in EU and USA.
Because of that I can't risk.

 

[SonDa5]

I'm confused about this. Doesn't the processor need to be forced into the socket with hundreds of pounds of force in order for all the pins to make contact? Since you're not using the standard locking mechanism, how do you apply that much force to the processor die without it cracking? When processors were built without IHS, they had ZIF sockets that didn't require a constant downward pressure to maintain electrical contact, but since you need that pressure with a LGA processor, how do you apply it?

I remember the first time I put closed the socket retaining ring on my G620 system and heard a crunch. I thought I had cracked something, but it was only the force applied on the processor compressing the pins, and that was with the standard IHS. I can't imagine that much force applied on the die going well, and even if the die wasn't cracked immediately, wouldn't some other things happen over time? For example, the pressure being applied only in the center of the substrate might cause the outer pins to make less secure contact with the pads causing electrical issues, or the large pressure only in the center of the substrate might cause the substrate to warp into a concave shape over time? Someone please enlighten me.

Alot of time and planning went into applying my delidded cooling mods.


I did contact paper pressure tests with the DT Sniper with the IHS on and with the ISH off against the bare die.

With the IHS on with DT Sniper block

With the IHS off against bare die of 3570k with DT Sniper water block

Doing the contact paper pressure test allowed me to see how my block was making contact. By knowing this I knew how to best orientate block and what parts of the block made good contact. This also gave me the idea of adding high quality Fujipoly Extreme thermal pad around die for support and to help cooling.

No IHS. Direct contact between die and DT Sniper water block.

Mounted

using a EK TRUE 115X back plate for stability.

With CL Liquid Pro TIM and bare die against block not alot mount pressure is needed. Just a few turns on the bolts for the water block mount and it is good to go.

Well planned out delidding with proper mount on bare die leads to great results.


Ambient Temps 18.6C
IBT quick and dirty standard run

5GHZ@1.37v

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2578924

 

[SonDa5]

Looks like my delidding experiments have lowered my average temps per core bv 31.25C

http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-ivy-bridge-club/3040#post_18599015


That is a huge decrease in temperature IMO.

 

[Nordic]

Looks like my delidding experiments have lowered my average temps per core bv 31.25C

http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-ivy-bridge-club/3040#post_18599015


That is a huge decrease in temperature IMO.

I think the proper term is "EPIC decrease in temperature"

 

[SonDa5]

Got a new 3770k. It's my first one.
Batch 3226C840 I7-3770k

Final testing before delidding.

3770k@4.5GHZ vCore 1.15v
4.5GHZ
Water cooled with UT-60 420mm RAD and DT Sniper water block.
TIM IC Diamond
Not Delidded
Ambient Temps 21C
http://valid.canardpc.com/2595435


HT on

Package Min 26c Max 66C


HT off

Package Min 23C Max 66C

 

[Nordic]

Now that you got 5ghz on 4 cores, you want 5ghz on 4 cores + HT? Or are you hoping to get past 5ghz?

What are you going to do with your 3570k? That thing is like cherry picked.

 

[SonDa5]

Now that you got 5ghz on 4 cores, you want 5ghz on 4 cores + HT? Or are you hoping to get past 5ghz?

What are you going to do with your 3570k? That thing is like cherry picked.

I just want to tweak the 3770k and give it some love.

Going to sell the 3570k since I can't justify having a cpu that I am not using.

 

[SonDa5]

The deed is done. My first 3770k delid. This one was much tougher than my 3570k. Lid was tight. Worked 2 different razers to get the lid off.

Bare Die Mount no IHS.