• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Incorrect GPU speed with Radeon DDR / 7200 DDR (retro problem)

Fred23

New Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2021
Messages
9 (0.20/day)
GPU-Z shows 27 MHz for GPU speed:

t1.jpg

t2.jpg

t3.jpg
 
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
Messages
792 (0.21/day)
Location
Botevgrad, Bulgaria, Europe
System Name Main PC/OldPC/3rd PC
Processor Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge/Core i5-3470 Ivy Bridge/Core i3-4330 Haswell
Motherboard ASUS P8Z77-V/ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen1/ASUS H81M2
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO/Intel Box cooler/Intel Box cooler
Memory 32GB Corsair Vengeance/32GB ADATA/16GB ADATA
Video Card(s) SAPPHIRE R9 290 Tri-X OC 4GB/MSI RX 480 8GB/SAPPHIRE R9 390 8GB
Storage 2x1TB ADATA SSDs in RAID0+3 HDDs/2xCrucial 1TB SSDs in RAID0+3 HDDs/Samsung 1TB SSD+8TB+4TB HDDs
Display(s) Philips 274E5QHAB@HDMI + Philips 273EQH@DVI (both 27")
Case Fractal Design Define R4 Titanium
Audio Device(s) Kenwood Mini HiFi system/Microlab speakers/Philips HDMI (main)+LG TV monitor HDMI + Apple headphones
Power Supply Cooler Master Silent ProM 600 W (modular)
Mouse Microsoft Ergonomic Sculpt Desktop 2.0 (combo)@Razer Goliath mousepad (Medium speed)
Keyboard Microsoft Ergonomic Sculpt Desktop 2.0 (combo)
Software Win10 64-bit (Main PC v.1809 RTM Enterprise/2nd PC v.1903 Insider Preview Pro/3rd PC - same as 2nd)
What GPU-Z versions are you testing with? Try something from 2019-2021?
 

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
22,261 (3.57/day)
Processor Core i7-8700K
Memory 32 GB
Video Card(s) RTX 3080
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 10 64-bit
Yeah, what's the output with latest GPU-Z?
 

Fred23

New Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2021
Messages
9 (0.20/day)
Yeah, what's the output with latest GPU-Z?
& Naki:
The newer ones are not good for me. It should work under 32-bit Windows 2000, the rest doesn't matter much to me. If this is impossible, should i try 32 bit XP? (Worth more than nothing, if it is good with it.)
 
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
Messages
792 (0.21/day)
Location
Botevgrad, Bulgaria, Europe
System Name Main PC/OldPC/3rd PC
Processor Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge/Core i5-3470 Ivy Bridge/Core i3-4330 Haswell
Motherboard ASUS P8Z77-V/ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen1/ASUS H81M2
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO/Intel Box cooler/Intel Box cooler
Memory 32GB Corsair Vengeance/32GB ADATA/16GB ADATA
Video Card(s) SAPPHIRE R9 290 Tri-X OC 4GB/MSI RX 480 8GB/SAPPHIRE R9 390 8GB
Storage 2x1TB ADATA SSDs in RAID0+3 HDDs/2xCrucial 1TB SSDs in RAID0+3 HDDs/Samsung 1TB SSD+8TB+4TB HDDs
Display(s) Philips 274E5QHAB@HDMI + Philips 273EQH@DVI (both 27")
Case Fractal Design Define R4 Titanium
Audio Device(s) Kenwood Mini HiFi system/Microlab speakers/Philips HDMI (main)+LG TV monitor HDMI + Apple headphones
Power Supply Cooler Master Silent ProM 600 W (modular)
Mouse Microsoft Ergonomic Sculpt Desktop 2.0 (combo)@Razer Goliath mousepad (Medium speed)
Keyboard Microsoft Ergonomic Sculpt Desktop 2.0 (combo)
Software Win10 64-bit (Main PC v.1809 RTM Enterprise/2nd PC v.1903 Insider Preview Pro/3rd PC - same as 2nd)
WinXP 32-bit should work.
Installer of latest versions won't work on WinXP, however, so you may need to use GPU-Z as Standalone/Portable (without installing it).

I am unsure if or when Windows 2000 was dropped as supported, maybe @W1zzard knows. :)
 

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
22,261 (3.57/day)
Processor Core i7-8700K
Memory 32 GB
Video Card(s) RTX 3080
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 10 64-bit
& Naki:
The newer ones are not good for me. It should work under 32-bit Windows 2000, the rest doesn't matter much to me. If this is impossible, should i try 32 bit XP? (Worth more than nothing, if it is good with it.)
What error message do you get?
 

Fred23

New Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2021
Messages
9 (0.20/day)
What error message do you get?
GPU-Z-ver*.exe is not a valid Win32 application.

WinXP 32-bit should work.
Installer of latest versions won't work on WinXP, however, so you may need to use GPU-Z as Standalone/Portable (without installing it).

I am unsure if or when Windows 2000 was dropped as supported, maybe @W1zzard knows. :)
Thx, i will try on XP later.
 
Joined
Aug 29, 2005
Messages
5,762 (1.00/day)
Location
Whatever my internet protocol shows I guess O.o
System Name Lynni The Dragon (Maintenance)
Processor Intel Core i7-11700K "Rocket Lake"
Motherboard Gigabyte Z590 Vision D
Cooling Fractal Design Celsius S24
Memory Geil Dragon 4x8GB@3000mhz 15-17-17-35 (GWW416GB3000C15DC)
Video Card(s) MSI Radeon RX 6800 XT GAMING X TRIO 16G | Sapphire Radeon RX 590 Nitro+ Special Edition 8GB
Storage OS/Games:Samsung 970 EVO 1TB|Sabrent Rocket 2TB|Data: 850EVO 1TB, 2xWD 4TB, 1xWD 10TB & WD 1TB
Display(s) Asus ROG Strix XG27UQ 4K@144hz | LG 55UK6100PLB IPS 4K HDR
Case Fractal Design Meshify 2 Tempered Glass White/Black
Audio Device(s) Steelseries Arctis Pro Wireless
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200 watt 80Plus Platinum
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeedy Wireless
Keyboard Razer Blackwidow Chroma X UK
VR HMD No not gonna sell myself to FB!i!i!
Software Win10 Pro UK x64 (20H2)
Benchmark Scores Time Spy: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33868867?
I also got a Windows XP box I use for gaming so if we need a second test rig I will be happy to start it up and test GPU-Z too.
 

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
22,261 (3.57/day)
Processor Core i7-8700K
Memory 32 GB
Video Card(s) RTX 3080
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 10 64-bit
I looked some more into this and the problem is that our compiler only supports targeting Windows XP. This is already the legacy compiler.

I spent the last two hours trying to figure out Windows 2000 targeting, but it's simply not feasible.

For example, UPX, our exe compressor can't run binaries on Windows 2000. Another problem is that the C++ standard library uses several functions that aren't available on Windows 2000.
 
Last edited:

Fred23

New Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2021
Messages
9 (0.20/day)
I looked some more into this and the problem is that our compiler only supports targeting Windows XP. This is already the legacy compiler.

I spent the last two hours trying to figure out Windows 2000 targeting, but it's simply not feasible.

For example, UPX, our exe compressor can't run binaries on Windows 2000. Another problem is that the C++ standard library uses several functions that aren't available on Windows 2000.
Thanks for your time and infos & here are the screenshots under XP:
2.25.gif
2.25b.gif
2.25c.gif
2.28.gif
2.38.gif
 

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
22,261 (3.57/day)
Processor Core i7-8700K
Memory 32 GB
Video Card(s) RTX 3080
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 10 64-bit
Why so many screenshots?
 
Joined
Nov 23, 2020
Messages
245 (1.21/day)
Location
Not Chicago, Illinois
System Name Desktop-TJ84TBK
Processor Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix B350-F Gaming
Cooling ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 120mm, Noctua NF-F12
Memory B-Die 2x8GB 3200 CL14, Vengeance LPX 2x8GB 3200 CL16, OC'd to 3333 MT/s C16-16-16-32 tRC 48
Video Card(s) PNY GTX 692, EVGA GTX 650 Ti BOOST 2GB Superclocked Edition
Storage Crucial M4 128GB, Crucial MX500 500GB,WD 250GB, WD Black 2TB, WD Caviar Green 3TB, Intel Optane 16GB
Display(s) Samsung S22B350 1080p77, ASUS 1080p74
Case Rosewill CRUISER Black Gaming
Audio Device(s) SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS GM-750
Mouse Kensington K72369
Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Benchmark Scores are good
Why so many screenshots?
They all show different readouts for clocks.
#1-3 are running GPU-Z 2.25.0
#1 lists nan(ind) MHz for GPU and Memory clock, and -nan(ind) GPixel/s and GTexel/s.
#2 lists 0 MHz for Memory clock.
#3 has nothing for Pixel and Texture fillrate, 2 MHz for GPU clock and 14 MHz for Memory clock.
#4 is running GPU-Z 2.28.0, and I think it's showing everything correctly?
#5 is running GPU-Z 2.38.0, and it's the same as #4 but with Resizable BAR listed as "Not supported".
 

Fred23

New Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2021
Messages
9 (0.20/day)
They all show different readouts for clocks.
#1-3 are running GPU-Z 2.25.0
#1 lists nan(ind) MHz for GPU and Memory clock, and -nan(ind) GPixel/s and GTexel/s.
#2 lists 0 MHz for Memory clock.
#3 has nothing for Pixel and Texture fillrate, 2 MHz for GPU clock and 14 MHz for Memory clock.
#4 is running GPU-Z 2.28.0, and I think it's showing everything correctly?
#5 is running GPU-Z 2.38.0, and it's the same as #4 but with Resizable BAR listed as "Not supported".
"GPU-Z 2.28.0, and I think it's showing everything correctly?"
No. Different results, but none of them is the good one.
 

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
22,261 (3.57/day)
Processor Core i7-8700K
Memory 32 GB
Video Card(s) RTX 3080
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 10 64-bit
Could I use AnyDesk to log onto your machine to (try to) fix the clock readings? (Tomorrow, about to head to bed)
 

64K

Joined
Mar 13, 2014
Messages
4,895 (1.85/day)
Processor i7 7700k
Motherboard MSI Z270 SLI Plus
Cooling CM Hyper 212 EVO
Memory 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2070 Super
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB and WD Black 4TB
Display(s) Dell 27 inch 1440p 144 Hz
Case Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply EVGA SuperNova 850 W Gold
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Logitech G105
Software Windows 10
I am unsure if or when Windows 2000 was dropped as supported, maybe @W1zzard knows. :)

Mainstream support ended in 2005 and extended support ended in 2010.
 
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
Messages
792 (0.21/day)
Location
Botevgrad, Bulgaria, Europe
System Name Main PC/OldPC/3rd PC
Processor Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge/Core i5-3470 Ivy Bridge/Core i3-4330 Haswell
Motherboard ASUS P8Z77-V/ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen1/ASUS H81M2
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO/Intel Box cooler/Intel Box cooler
Memory 32GB Corsair Vengeance/32GB ADATA/16GB ADATA
Video Card(s) SAPPHIRE R9 290 Tri-X OC 4GB/MSI RX 480 8GB/SAPPHIRE R9 390 8GB
Storage 2x1TB ADATA SSDs in RAID0+3 HDDs/2xCrucial 1TB SSDs in RAID0+3 HDDs/Samsung 1TB SSD+8TB+4TB HDDs
Display(s) Philips 274E5QHAB@HDMI + Philips 273EQH@DVI (both 27")
Case Fractal Design Define R4 Titanium
Audio Device(s) Kenwood Mini HiFi system/Microlab speakers/Philips HDMI (main)+LG TV monitor HDMI + Apple headphones
Power Supply Cooler Master Silent ProM 600 W (modular)
Mouse Microsoft Ergonomic Sculpt Desktop 2.0 (combo)@Razer Goliath mousepad (Medium speed)
Keyboard Microsoft Ergonomic Sculpt Desktop 2.0 (combo)
Software Win10 64-bit (Main PC v.1809 RTM Enterprise/2nd PC v.1903 Insider Preview Pro/3rd PC - same as 2nd)
Mainstream support ended in 2005 and extended support ended in 2010.
No, this does not apply - I meant GPU-Z support for Windows 2000. :)
(and not Microsoft support, the dates of which are easily available in many locations, and which was not discussed at all)
 
Last edited:

64K

Joined
Mar 13, 2014
Messages
4,895 (1.85/day)
Processor i7 7700k
Motherboard MSI Z270 SLI Plus
Cooling CM Hyper 212 EVO
Memory 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2070 Super
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB and WD Black 4TB
Display(s) Dell 27 inch 1440p 144 Hz
Case Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply EVGA SuperNova 850 W Gold
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Logitech G105
Software Windows 10
No, this does not apply - I meant GPU-Z support for Windows 2000. :)
(and not Microsoft support, the dates of which are easily available in many locations, and which was not discussed at all)

My bad. I only use GPU-Z every once in a while and I wasn't aware that older versions of Windows get dropped from support. I thought GPU-Z was just about displaying info about the GPU.
 
Last edited:

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
22,261 (3.57/day)
Processor Core i7-8700K
Memory 32 GB
Video Card(s) RTX 3080
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 10 64-bit
My bad. I only use GPU-Z every once in a while and I wasn't aware that older versions of Windows get dropped from support. I thought GPU-Z was just about displaying info about the GPU.
I'm with you. If there was a reasonably easy way to keep support for Windows 2000, I'd definitely use it. The problem is that the whole toolset has moved on. Even targeting Windows XP isn't officially supported anymore.
 
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
Messages
792 (0.21/day)
Location
Botevgrad, Bulgaria, Europe
System Name Main PC/OldPC/3rd PC
Processor Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge/Core i5-3470 Ivy Bridge/Core i3-4330 Haswell
Motherboard ASUS P8Z77-V/ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen1/ASUS H81M2
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO/Intel Box cooler/Intel Box cooler
Memory 32GB Corsair Vengeance/32GB ADATA/16GB ADATA
Video Card(s) SAPPHIRE R9 290 Tri-X OC 4GB/MSI RX 480 8GB/SAPPHIRE R9 390 8GB
Storage 2x1TB ADATA SSDs in RAID0+3 HDDs/2xCrucial 1TB SSDs in RAID0+3 HDDs/Samsung 1TB SSD+8TB+4TB HDDs
Display(s) Philips 274E5QHAB@HDMI + Philips 273EQH@DVI (both 27")
Case Fractal Design Define R4 Titanium
Audio Device(s) Kenwood Mini HiFi system/Microlab speakers/Philips HDMI (main)+LG TV monitor HDMI + Apple headphones
Power Supply Cooler Master Silent ProM 600 W (modular)
Mouse Microsoft Ergonomic Sculpt Desktop 2.0 (combo)@Razer Goliath mousepad (Medium speed)
Keyboard Microsoft Ergonomic Sculpt Desktop 2.0 (combo)
Software Win10 64-bit (Main PC v.1809 RTM Enterprise/2nd PC v.1903 Insider Preview Pro/3rd PC - same as 2nd)
I'm with you. If there was a reasonably easy way to keep support for Windows 2000, I'd definitely use it. The problem is that the whole toolset has moved on. Even targeting Windows XP isn't officially supported anymore.

@W1zzard -- all or almost all Windows software in the world lists the supported/required Windows OS versions (often with minimum CPU generation(s)/types listed too for system tools such as GPU-Z) in their Downloads page(s).
I think GPU-Z download page lacks such info currently? :) Could you please add it?

I.e. something like -- Supported Windows OS versions: Windows 10, Windows 8/8.1, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP (partial support, no Installer).
Or if you prefer shorter text -- "Windows XP (partial support, no installer) up to Windows 10" (or similar wording of your choice).

IF latest GPU-Z versions also require the AMD/Intel CPU being used to have a certain instruction set present, IMHO you should list that too - i.e. say "SSE2 required for CPU" (or similar wording as you prefer, with whatever instruction sets are required).

EDIT: Okay, sorry about that - looking again, it seems the WIndows OS versions are listed, but not in Downloads page. :oops:
They are on the main product page, here: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

You might still want to add a brief line on supported Windows OS versions to the Downloads page too, if possible.
Also, it does not say WinXP cannot use the Installer anymore - I think this should be explicitly mentioned too. :)
 
Last edited:
Joined
May 8, 2021
Messages
167 (4.64/day)
System Name R&D Machine #1
Processor Intel Core i5 10400F
Motherboard Gigabyte B460M Aorus Pro
Cooling Scythe Choten
Memory 2x8GB G.Skill Aegis 2666 MHz
Video Card(s) Powercolor Red Dragon V2 RX 580 8GB
Storage 512GB WD Blue + 256GB WD Green
Display(s) BenQ BL2420PT
Case Cooler Master Silencio S400
Audio Device(s) Topping D10
Power Supply Fortron FSP700-50ARN 88+
Mouse Steel Series Rival 100
Keyboard Steel Series 6GV2
Software Windows 10 Enterprise
Off-topic:
Those Radeons look so nice
 
Top