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Why is no one talking about this? It's absolutely insane the gains...
Am I missing something? Why are the gains so insane???? Ryzen is history... I mean yeah the ram costs $200 versus $100 for the same capacity, but small price to pay for 40-60 fps gains across the board...
gamersnexus review of high speed ram with intel i5-10600k beats ryzen 3700x by 60-70 fps in many games... and I can't believe no one is talking about that. its absolutely insane imo.
This is not really news; in some games at 1080p at medium settings with a high-end GPU, some Intel CPUs will pull ahead significantly, especially with tighter memory timings. But I would call this close to an artificial scenario, you will not game with a RTX 2080 Ti at these settings, so this is more interesting for an academic discussion than anything.

But I think most of you missed the most important detail in the benchmark results;
R5 3600 XT and memory needs to be overclocked to match what the i5-10600K (and i7-8700K) does at stock.

By the time you run this at a realistic configuration, like 1440p at high/ultra, there will no longer be a 60-70 FPS difference any more, and then the $100 extra in RAM is wasted, $100 you could have spent on a better GPU instead. I generally would advice against doing memory overclocking, especially if you think it will give you extra "value". Overclocking should be reserved for those doing it for fun, everyone else should run RAM at the fastest JEDEC speed supported by their CPU. It annoys me that so many these days seem to recommend overclocking by default. The countless crashes and stability issues from overclocked memory (especially as the memory controller degrades) is not worth it, and you have to pay a lot extra for the memory, and probably get <5% gains in most realistic gaming workloads. Despite how old Skylake may be, i5-10600K is an excellent gaming CPU capable of running games at stock memory speeds.
 

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gamersnexus review of high speed ram with intel i5-10600k beats ryzen 3700x by 60-70 fps in many games... and I can't believe no one is talking about that. its absolutely insane imo.
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x FPS higher says nothing here, because it's not in relation to anything. Percentage is the way to go. Otherwise it just looks like clickbait.

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This is not really news; in some games at 1080p at medium settings with a high-end GPU, some Intel CPUs will pull ahead significantly, especially with tighter memory timings. But I would call this close to an artificial scenario, you will not game with a RTX 2080 Ti at these settings, so this is more interesting for an academic discussion than anything.

But I think most of you missed the most important detail in the benchmark results;
R5 3600 XT and memory needs to be overclocked to match what the i5-10600K (and i7-8700K) does at stock.

By the time you run this at a realistic configuration, like 1440p at high/ultra, there will no longer be a 60-70 FPS difference any more, and then the $100 extra in RAM is wasted, $100 you could have spent on a better GPU instead. I generally would advice against doing memory overclocking, especially if you think it will give you extra "value". Overclocking should be reserved for those doing it for fun, everyone else should run RAM at the fastest JEDEC speed supported by their CPU. It annoys me that so many these days seem to recommend overclocking by default. The countless crashes and stability issues from overclocked memory (especially as the memory controller degrades) is not worth it, and you have to pay a lot extra for the memory, and probably get <5% gains in most realistic gaming workloads. Despite how old Skylake may be, i5-10600K is an excellent gaming CPU capable of running games at stock memory speeds.
Ryzen is fine with up to 3600 and sometimes 3800 Ram speed without problems, but yes, tight 3200 speed is more than enough if it has nice timings like CL14. In general I agree with you.
 

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For nearly twice the price, It'd better stomp lol.
They're comparing it to the 3600 XT, so no, the price difference isn't very big.
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They're comparing it to the 3600 XT, so no, the price difference isn't very big.
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But do not forget, that the Ryzen can be paired with a cheap mainboard and the Intel needs to be paired with a expensive Z mainboard for overclocking. And without overclocking I don't see a reason to buy Intel, honestly.
 

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But do not forget, that the Ryzen can be paired with a cheap mainboard and the Intel needs to be paired with a expensive Z mainboard for overclocking. And without overclocking I don't see a reason to buy Intel, honestly.
In this scenario it doesn't matter. To achieve these gains you need a 2080 TI (AND run it at 1080p), that's €1000 just for the GPU. This is not for the budget conscious buyer.

Besides, I'm not sure that such budget AM4 boards can overclock to 4.6 GHz.
 

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In this scenario it doesn't matter. To achieve these gains you need a 2080 TI (AND run it at 1080p), that's €1000 just for the GPU. This is not for the budget conscious buyer.

Besides, I'm not sure that such budget AM4 boards can overclock to 4.6 GHz.
True. No, it depends, not for long time usage at least. If they have weak power stages it will abuse these mainboards too hard. With the 4/6 core it could work for a time though.
 
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Ryzen is fine with up to 3600 and sometimes 3800 Ram speed without problems, but yes, tight 3200 speed is more than enough if it has nice timings like CL14. In general I agree with you.
It depends on the user's definition of "fine", I'm pretty sure that most of you who have overclocked memory don't have 100% stability, even if it passes Prime95 and AIDA64. It might be good enough for you, but it's probably not as stable as stock over time.

If your purpose of the machine is to have fun with overclocking, then go ahead and have fun, then it's a conscious decision.

If not, and especially if it's used for any kind of productive workload, then stay away from any overclocking and stick to JEDEC profiles for memory.
It's kind of funny that AMD's graphics department warns about using overclocked memory, yet their CPU department almost seem to encourage it. :rolleyes:
It annoys me when videos from Linus tech tips and the like encourages people building their first computer to overclock it for more value. That's only going to give people some pain.
 

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It depends on the user's definition of "fine", I'm pretty sure that most of you who have overclocked memory don't have 100% stability, even if it passes Prime95 and AIDA64. It might be good enough for you, but it's probably not as stable as stock over time.

If your purpose of the machine is to have fun with overclocking, then go ahead and have fun, then it's a conscious decision.

If not, and especially if it's used for any kind of productive workload, then stay away from any overclocking and stick to JEDEC profiles for memory.
It's kind of funny that AMD's graphics department warns about using overclocked memory, yet their CPU department almost seem to encourage it. :rolleyes:
It annoys me when videos from Linus tech tips and the like encourages people building their first computer to overclock it for more value. That's only going to give people some pain.
I agree, absolutely, for work or similar usage, I would not overclock. I have bought 3600 Ram and the Ram itself is not overclocked. The thing with AMD is, yes, 3200 is official, but AMD said, the controller will do up to 3600 or 3800 nicely at 1:1 mode. After that you most likely need to decouple it, which decreases performance too much. But 3600 is no problem with a 3700X. I even tried 3800 and it ran the memory stresstest without problems.

Maybe, although I wonder if 4.6 is possible at all.
I don't know, I considered it because I thought you saw it in a review. Most likely it is not, in my experience. 4.4 maybe, everything after that, I would consider lucky or a wonder. For the newest CPUs, for the older ones? Even 4.4 is a wonder then.
 

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I don't know, I considered it because I thought you saw it in a review. Most likely it is not, in my experience. 4.4 maybe, everything after that, I would consider lucky or a wonder. For the newest CPUs, for the older ones? Even 4.4 is a wonder then.
Yeah, I picked the clock speed from the OP's link.
I'm not talking about what the CPU can do, just the board. If you have a 3600 XT that does 4.6 GHZ in an X570 board, I wouldn't expect it to automatically do the same in a B450 board, even though it's not impossible.
 

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Yeah, I picked the clock speed from the OP's link.
I'm not talking about what the CPU can do, just the board. If you have a 3600 XT that does 4.6 GHZ in an X570 board, I wouldn't expect it to automatically do the same in a B450 board, even though it's not impossible.
50 € B450? Yes for a few days maybe - oh it also depends a lot on the usage type. If it's just the usual games, and not 64P Battlefield 5, it would probably work out for a good time. Definitely not for 24/7 or coding.
 

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How do you know that it will work at all? Those boards were made when 4.6 GHz was a pipe dream, more or less.
Power stages, if they are weaker, it just means they have lower limits and less durability. It doesn't mean the overclocks are lower. Just the stability is low or lower.

I have learned much of this from @buildzoid in his channel AHOC. He knows a lot.
 

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Power stages, if they are weaker, it just means they have lower limits and less durability. It doesn't mean the overclocks are lower. Just the stability is low or lower.
Yeah, I was going for stable clocks, of course. ;)
 

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Yeah, I was going for stable clocks, of course. ;)
If you're a overclocker it's better to overspend than to underspend. ;)
 
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Why is no one talking about this? It's absolutely insane the gains...

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Am I missing something? Why are the gains so insane???? Ryzen is history... I mean yeah the ram costs $200 versus $100 for the same capacity, but small price to pay for 40-60 fps gains across the board...


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gamersnexus review of high speed ram with intel i5-10600k beats ryzen 3700x by 60-70 fps in many games... and I can't believe no one is talking about that. its absolutely insane imo.
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This review changes EVERYTHING!
 
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Yup, but also:

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I never suggested going for a budget board in this situation..
You compared prices. And intel K cpus are not paired with cheap boards, therefore your conclusion was flawed IMO.
 
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I replied to someone who compared prices, and then you compared prices of the boards. What's your point.

What conclusion?
Now you suddenly forgot what everything is about and I have to do your job, despite you trying to get on MY nerve? No thanks, I'll pass. Fuck this.
 
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