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btw seeing how you think Farage is xenophobic I'm guessing you feel the same way about Viktor Orban for the simple fact he believes his country should be able to control their borders as in Hungary is a sovereign nation with a democratically elected government.
Uhhh yeah lol, they’re both openly committed to the great replacement theory, Farage even cites the Rivers of Blood speech as a keystone of his politics… They’re not exactly shy about it lol, and Hungary is a textbook example of democratic backsliding in most political science courses…
 
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Uhhh yeah lol, they’re both openly committed to the great replacement theory, Farage even cites the Rivers of Blood speech as a keystone of his politics… They’re not exactly shy about it lol, and Hungary is a textbook example of democratic backsliding in most political science courses…
So you don't think a sovereign country should be able to control its own borders?
 
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Not what I said but appreciate your effort at baiting me into your reluctant defense of xenophobes :love:
 
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So you don't think a sovereign country should be able to control its own borders?
I'm gonna go with "he just doesn't like wannabe despots" for $200, Alex.
 
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I'm gonna go with "he just doesn't like wannabe despots" for $200, Alex.
Orban was re-elected for a 3rd consecutive term when his party won 133 of 199 seats in the Hungarian Parliament. This is with a record voter turnout so he is obviously representing the will of the Hungarian people. That's how democracy works.
 
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Orban was re-elected for a 3rd consecutive term when his party won 133 of 199 seats in the Hungarian Parliament. This is with a record voter turnout so he is obviously representing the will of the Hungarian people. That's how democracy works.
Let's not bring Orban into the conversation. His success relies entirely on the hate campaign against immigrants - none of which has ever wanted to settle in Hungary in the first place. He craps on the Hungarian people just as much as he craps on the EU, but his bigot Catholic propaganda is loud enough to gain him support.

If we're bringing random leaders into the picture, let's not forget about Hitler - he was democratically voted into power as well. Was he just carrying out the will of the people too?
 
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If we're bringing random leaders into the picture, let's not forget about Hitler - he was democratically voted into power as well. Was he just carrying out the will of the people too?
Well, technically no, at least not the first time, but nationalism is a helluva drug, popular fronts are dangerous, coalition governance is problematic, etc
 
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Let's not bring Orban into the conversation. His success relies entirely on the hate campaign against immigrants - none of which has ever wanted to settle in Hungary in the first place. He craps on the Hungarian people just as much as he craps on the EU, but his bigot Catholic propaganda is loud enough to gain him support.

If we're bringing random leaders into the picture, let's not forget about Hitler - he was democratically voted into power as well. Was he just carrying out the will of the people too?
Last time I checked Hungary was still a Christian nation.
 
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How enlightened… 49.27% = the people’s will, and bedding the church and state is a great idea (that’s never been problematic, has it?). No wonder he loves Bolsonaro so much. Sorry, but you’re defending a fascist. I wouldn’t mind if you’d admit it, but your reluctance begs the question — why not defend your arguments rather than abandon them and backtrack in favor of quips? What non-xenophobic ideas are you actually defending? Is the great replacement theory correct? Sounds like political opportunism to me. :shrug:

Because of Orbán's curtailing of press freedom, erosion of judicial independence and undermining of multiparty democracy, many political scientists and watchdogs consider Hungary to have experienced democratic backsliding during Orbán's tenure.[3][4][5][6][7] Orbán's attacks on the European Union while accepting its money and funneling it to his allies and family have also led to characterizations of his government as a kleptocracy.[8] Between 2010 to 2020, Hungary dropped 69 places in the Press Freedom Index[9][10]and 11 places in the Democracy Index;[11][12]Freedom House has downgraded the country from "free" to "partly free."[13] Orbán defends his policies as "illiberal democracy."[14][15] As a result, Fidesz was suspended from the European People's Partyfrom March 2019[16] until March 2021, when Fidesz left the EPP over a dispute over new rule-of-law language in the latter's bylaws.[17]
“Illiberal democracy,” his own words… much respect for the ignorant masses democracy so good the people’s will etc

 
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How enlightened… 49.27% = the people’s will, and bedding the church and state is a great idea (that’s never been problematic, has it?). No wonder he loves Bolsonaro so much. Sorry, but you’re defending a fascist. I wouldn’t mind if you’d admit it, but your reluctance begs the question — why not defend your arguments rather than abandon them and backtrack in favor of quips? What non-xenophobic ideas are you actually defending? Is the great replacement theory correct? Sounds like political opportunism to me. :shrug:


“Illiberal democracy,” his own words… much respect for the ignorant masses democracy so good the people’s will etc

Orban keeps EU/Soros NGO's out of his country such as Putin does and the EU hates him for it. I saw firsthand how those NGO's worked their magic in Ukraine ... just like a pack of vampires.
 
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Sorry, you’re helpless. Keep shifting the goalposts and running from your tacit racism my friend, very compelling much belief :love:

Edit: Love the false equivalency between Soros and the EU; “I don’t hate Jews it’s just that they’re vampires” lol, “I’m not xenophobic I just don’t like difference,” “I don’t like ‘communism’ (state capitalism) but Putin got it right,” keep it up my guy :cool:
 
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Last time I checked Hungary was still a Christian nation.
  1. Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing.
  2. Just because the majority are Christians, it doesn't mean that everyone is or should be.
  3. Being a Christian or Catholic doesn't mean you have to adopt Orban's "make children by the hundreds" propaganda.
  4. Even if you do agree with Orban's views on religion and making children family, you don't need to frown upon people who think differently, yet that's exactly what you get from the majority of Hungarians.
  5. Religion in Hungary is not the topic here, so let's cut the off-topic, and keep the peace. :)
 
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Sorry, you’re helpless. Keep shifting the goalposts and running from your tacit racism my friend, very compelling much belief :love:

Edit: Love the false equivalency between Soros and the EU; “I don’t hate Jews it’s just that they’re vampires” lol, “I’m not xenophobic I just don’t like difference,” “I don’t like ‘communism’ (state capitalism) but Putin got it right,” keep it up my guy :cool:
Not sure how you got 'hate jews' out of my post when it was in reference to EU/Soros NGO's. btw my ex wife (Belarusian) is Jewish ... nice try though.

  1. Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing.
  2. Just because the majority are Christians, it doesn't mean that everyone is or should be.
  3. Being a Christian or Catholic doesn't mean you have to adopt Orban's "make children by the hundreds" propaganda.
  4. Even if you do agree with Orban's views on religion and making children family, you don't need to frown upon people who think differently, yet that's exactly what you get from the majority of Hungarians.
  5. Religion in Hungary is not the topic here, so let's cut the off-topic, and keep the peace. :)
You brought religion into this topic ... I even quoted your post and bolded the religious part of it. With that said we can agree to disagree.
 
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You brought religion into this topic ... I even quoted your post and bolded the religious part of it. With that said we can agree to disagree.
I didn't bring it in. I could have just phrased it like "propaganda is what's keeping Orban in power" with the content of my post being the same.

By disagreeing, do you mean that Hungary is an Orbanist Catholic nation, and if one thinks differently, they can go F themselves? In that case, you sound like any other brainwashed Hungarian bigot. That's the shining example of democracy for you. No wonder I'm only ever going back there to visit my parents once a year.
 
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Damn. Didn't know European and British politics can be this feisty.
 
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I didn't bring it in. I could have just phrased it like "propaganda is what's keeping Orban in power" with the content of my post being the same.

By disagreeing, do you mean that Hungary is an Orbanist Catholic nation, and if one thinks differently, they can go F themselves? In that case, you sound like any other brainwashed Hungarian bigot. That's the shining example of democracy for you. No wonder I'm only ever going back there to visit my parents once a year.
Sorry about the mix up on who posted what. All you European posters look a like. :p j/k

btw I'm an American. My family came to the US from Norway (Trondheim) and the Netherlands (Frisia). It seems like it's too easy to play the racist card these days with someone who has a different opinion. Catch my drift.
 
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I personally just think it's way too hard for racist behavior to reevaluate itself. It's always got an excuse. That is really all I can say here.
 
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Sorry about the mix up on who posted what. All you European posters look a like. :p j/k

btw I'm an American. My family came to the US from Norway (Trondheim) and the Netherlands (Frisia). It seems like it's too easy to play the racist card these days with someone who has a different opinion. Catch my drift.
I'm not playing the racist card. All I'm saying is, oppression by the majority through democratic election is still oppression. If present-day Hungary is not a strong enough example, let's look at Germany 90 years ago.
 
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Let’s be clear, 49% of a vote is not a majority, and not all Hungarians are racist/Orbanites. It’s a highly contested situation, just like Brexit, Trump, Bolsonaro. Casting half of those who voted as representative of an entire nation is misleading.

(And no, it doesn’t matter if you married a Jewish person or have Jewish friends — using terms like globalist and castigating a Jewish person, like Soros, as foreign interlopers, is xenophobic, especially while defending talking heads for the great replacement theory, which is racist on face, is in fact a tacit complicity with racism. I live in a predominately conservative Jewish community — they held mask burnings through the pandemic and are anti-vax (odd because they’re devout Zionists and Israel had an excellent response to the pandemic), hate the democrats, attempt to rig elections, hate Palestinians, get along with the adjacent Caribbean community, etc, too. That doesn’t mean they represent all Jewish people, but identity is not a get out of jail free card, just like the proud boys being “anti-racist as long as we’re separated” makes them racist).
 
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Uhm, no. You're incorrect. The EU made provisions for a member retiring from the EU. It's in the Treaty of Lisbon. The UK invoked that clause and the process is written in the treaty. It's also not about "independence at any cost". I'm not sure where you heard that bs. The goal of Brexit was to remove the UK from the EU bureaucracy and establish a trade deal identical to the one Norway has with the EU. The trade deal is for both sides. It's not one-sided. EU goods in the UK, UK goods in the EU. The EU, on its side, has agreed to this, but imposed a number of bureaucratic measures that effectively slow down trade... measures that are not in place for Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. Worse, UK and EU regulations are still very much a carbon copy of each other, so what... we reached the Brexit deadline and suddenly the regulations in the UK are no longer of a similar quality to those in the EU, when they are literally identical?

I'm not saying no-one is butthurt about it. I'm saying that it's a divorce and should be conducted in a civil manner.

As for the referendum being propagandist rhetoric, you're free to paint it any way you want. I saw scaremongering on both sides of the referendum, and not any different from any elections I've seen across Europe. Possibly the main difference was that there was (and still is) weak leadership on both sides.
"Making provisions for retiring from the EU" does not in any way mean that doing so will not have consequences. Also, having a formalized way of leaving is a fundamental requirement for any serious organization. Not having that would be a very big problem. So ... how is this an argument? "They said we could, so it shouldn't have any consequences to do so" is not a logical statement.

Also, you're quite grossly misrepresenting the EEA, which Norway is part of. The EEA is very much a "EU light" deal, where member states are subject to most EU rules and regulations, but have some autonomy at the cost of having no say in the formation of these EU rules (those are decided by MEPs and committee members, after all, which no EEC country has as they aren't EU members). It also has severe democratic problems in that, unlike as an EU member, once an EU rule is accepted and implemented, there is no way of reversing this. This is a hot topic for debate in Norway after the recent election as one of the parties in the new government is very keen on pulling out of ACER and the most recent EU railway package (both of which, for the record, are deeply problematic). I'm just as ambiguous about EEA membership as I am about the EU, but I don't believe Norway resigning from the EEA would solve anything either. Quite the opposite.

Also, I never said that any such deal was one-sided. Trade deals literally can't be, as trade is a two-way exchange even in the most exploitative of situations. I'd love to see some examples of bureaucratic measurements to slow down UK trade that don't exist for EEC nations though - any sources? Speaking from a Norwegian perspective, our trade with the EU is extremely strictly regulated and policed, and any avoidance of bottlenecks comes from the strict adherence to those rules.

My main point though: you're arguing that the EU should accept a trade deal on (mostly) the UK's terms, and that this would be a logical and rational thing to do. Yet the UK has clearly demonstrated that it is only in it for themselves, which completely undermines that idea. Through leaving the EU they rejected an established, functional if problematic, wide-ranging cooperative arrangement on the basis that it wasn't sufficiently beneficial for them. Which, it is becoming clear, wasn't only untrue (the pre-Brexit exodus of highly educated and highly productive EU citizen workers in every sector from tech to academia and science to business is a good example of this, though by far not the only one) but is also rightly interpreted by the EU as an explicit statement of self-interest above all else. If it wasn't above all else, they would have stayed and tried to improve things from the inside. After all, the UK was part of first the EEC, then the EU, from 1973 onwards. They have been central to its development for five decades. They have received massive benefits from this membership (it's not like the British economy was doing great in the late 60s or early 70s) - but they have also contributed to other countries, obviously. That's how cooperation tends to work. So the UK's leaving is then unambiguously a statement of not accepting this split, and a statement of a desire for a different deal that is more beneficial to the UK. Hence my question: why on earth would the EU be interested in this? Why would their response be anything but "yeah, sorry, you made your own bed"?

Let's try to look at this trhough an analogy: if you're running a company with a board consisting of 20-odd people each controlling large but variously sized and impactful departments, and one of the board members announces they are unhappy with their compensation (despite having been formative in company development for decades), are leaving the company to start their own, and then subsequently demand a cooperative deal with your company where they do mostly what they used to, just selectively more beneficial to them. Why on earth would the company say yes to that? The only situation in which that would make sense is if the department that split off delivered a unique and irreplacable set of funcitons. That is not the case for the UK, despite their own delusions of grandeur. They're just another country at this point. The UK voluntarily placed themselves on par with other reasonably geographically close non-member countries - except none of those have been spewing propagandist rhetoric towards them for the past 5+ years. Why would the EU be more inclined to give the UK a preferential trade deal than Turkey, or Marocco, or Russia, or any other country?

How is that absurd? As it stands, with the Nvidia takeover of ARM (and there is no reason for Nvidia to move the HQ from Cambridge), the UK would be in a position to tax companies in Europe when they license ARM IP, right? But the EU has the ability to sabotage the sale... So the EU uses this leverage to secure advantages for the bloc, going forward. It's a game. Nvidia has investors to account to. A $54bn that gets deflated because someone slams shut a >500 million consumer door is a big deal. No-one wants that to happen. Nvidia, UK or the EU. So they're now settling into the negotiation stage where the EU will try and get Nvidia to (I believe) open up labs in the EU and nominally "develop" something worthwhile there that the EU can claim to be "designed in the EU", just to avoid burying billions in a homebrew CPU architecture or RISC-V. I see this as the EU hedging its bets. You're free to disagree, of course.
The EU only has regulatory power over this deal as it pertains to trade impacting the EU, i.e. licencing to companies that do significant trade in the EU. I sincerely doubt they'd be willing to take the establishment of EU labs for ARM as any type of compensation for the risk that Nvidia might be more restrictive in ARM licencing for competitive reasons. Remember, the main tax income to the EU in this? It comes from taxing these companies locally + income tax on their employees. Also, your taxation example doesn't work - ARM and the companies licencing their tech decide entirely freely which entities these are licenced from (except for trade embargoes and sanctions - but I doubt ARM will establish a global licencing entity in Iran or North Korea any time soon). That could be the UK company, or some spin-off in a Caribbean tax haven, or literally anything else. Establishing ARM labs in the EU would do nothing to change this. Nothing whatsoever. And the EU - and the UK, and ARM, and Nvidia - are entirely aware of their inability to control this. Also, you say "nobody wants [the ARM acquisition to fall through]", and list the EU as one of the entities not wanting this. Why would they want that merger to go through? There is no benefit to the EU in such a thing - if anything, it removes ARM from their immediate geographic and economic vicinity. The European Commission mostly seems good at trying to uphold actual functioning competition and try to hold back on monopolizing tendencies (though it's by no means perfect - it's just a bit less ineffectual than most entities nominally trying to do the same), which is a much more reasonable explanation of why they would be skeptical of an Nvidia-ARM acquisition.
The EU wouldn't even qualify as a democracy under their own made up rules.
Did you read my previous posts?
They are a protectionist outfit at best.
As are all countries and international cooperative organizations, sadly. I would rank them reasonably low on the scale of just how protectionist though - they do a lot of foreign aid, investment in third party countries, and their trade deals are slightly less draconean than most. Not by much, but slightly.
A pseudo United States of Europe that doesn't even have a suitable military.
IMO, not having a common military is one of the best sides of the EU, as it acts as a buffer between military and economic power. The US is a prime example of how wrong things can go when you have a lot of both with no separation.
As far as trade wars go .. the US under Trump offered the EU a tariff free trade deal and of course the EU turned the US down ... due to the fact the EU hoses the US in tariffs.
You seem to not know what a trade war is. Refusing a trade deal is not a trade war. Failed negotiation is not the same as outright conflict.
Right now the UK is being punished by the globalist but the Brits are tough enough to weather this out.
Lol, "the globalists". That phrase always cracks me up. Wasn't it mentioned above that the UK is joining the CPTPP - an extension of the Trans Pacific Partnership? Also know as the most explicitly neo-imperialist, forcibly neoliberalist, undemocratic trade agreement ever drafted? It's pretty hard to be more "globalist" than backing something like that.
Unlike western Europeans, most Americans couldn't fathom the idea of some unelected officials in Brussels calling the shots for us including the EU courts.
Instead they fathom the concept of an electoral system not updated since when horseback messengers were the fastest means of conveying election results, giving them the most indirect democracy on the planet? Yeah, that's not much better. As I said above, the EU has significant and deep-seated democratic problems, but that really doesn't make it any worse than your contrasting examples here. Also, all Brussels officials are elected - they are representatives of the elected governments of each member state. The apparatus surrounding them are hired bureaucrats, but that is the same in literally every democracy across the globe. And no, the courts are not elected - that would be really problematic. It's clear that the EU needs significant reform to make a claim to functional democracy (abolishing the veto, among other things), but it's by no means the worst thing out there.
btw seeing how you think Farage is xenophobic I'm guessing you feel the same way about Viktor Orban for the simple fact he believes his country should be able to control their borders as in Hungary is a sovereign nation with a democratically elected government.
No, I believe Viktor Orban is xenophobic due to his consistent use of xenophobic rhetoric and propaganda, just as I see him as dangerously antidemocratic due to his consistent war on critical thinking and undermining of democratic processes, and a lot more.
So you don't think a sovereign country should be able to control its own borders?
I would be all for that if they managed to do so without being extremely racist and xenophobic while doing so. All you're doing here is drawing up a straw man argument - nobody has argued against what you are saying, we have argued against the deeply problematic and antidemocratic policies, actions and attitudes demonstrated by the people in question. We (or at least I) have also argued for the logic of consequences from actions and accountability, rather than the wishful thinking made-up dream scenario where Britain had the negotiating power to get a better deal with the EU from the outside than from within. Neither of these topics relates to "the right to control their own borders". That is such a broad and vague concept, and one that mainly pertains to the physical movement of people (and goods, but that is mostly secondary, at least in the rhetoric of both Farage, Orban and their allies) and not internal laws, trade deals or consequences for actions. If you believe this issue can't be properly addresed without bringing it to a much broader and more general level like that, you need to argue for that stance, and not frame it as a misleading "gotcha" point.
 
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Intel orders more 3-nm-Chips from TSMC than Apple

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I rather see it as "block AMD" move.
And god knows what the "more CPUs" than Apple actually means.
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The goal of Brexit was to remove the UK from the EU bureaucracy
Oh, please, give me a break.
Coming from someone who is now working on UK bureaucracy filling in the gaps created by pulling out of EU.

More than two thirds of business by UK was with EU countries and most of it was transparent and hassle free.

Now that luxury is gone and every single piece of crap needs to be declared, new processes are being established.

Was the goal to distance from EU? Welp, regardless, that's what is going to happen. And that is why businesses interested in EU market will be less interested in UK as a base for their operations.


As for "Norway style deal" => this is so wrong it hurts.
All countries within EU trade umbrella agree to the same rules, the very "bureaucracy" that you just voted against (that was bringing you, among other things, free mobile roaming).

If UK did sign for Norway like agreement, it would largely mean remaining in the previous state BUT losing the leverage UK had over EU for no good reason.

That is, perhaps, the key reason why Boris botched the deal so much and tries to distance further (dirty play around Irish agreements).
 
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Also, all Brussels officials are elected - they are representatives of the elected governments of each member state.
And members of EU parliament are directly elected too, so, cough.
 
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Yep, that's the problem of poorly handled democracy, especially in a country with a particularly undemocratic version of it (winner-takes-all/"first past the post" elections in single-representative contituencies, which in theory means that a party with 50.00000000001% of the votes can get 100% of representatives, though it's rarely that bad irl). Couple that with a functional two-party system (with an irrelevant hanger-on for legitimacy) where the parties spend far more time shouting at each other than debating policy, and people quickly lose faith in democracy being anything but a system rigged to keep a certain group of people in high-paying jobs.
Dont get me started on our voting system urrgh. :/
 
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