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So, takeaways about this gen, nothing except the i5-11400F is worth buying. Well in my eyes nothing is worth buying since the socket is practically dead, unless you like changing boards when Alder Lake is out.
And AM4 isn't "dead" in comparison? Both sockets won't get any new releases, yet you only call out one of them on it and you then have the audacity to call me a fanboy, lol!
 
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And AM4 isn't "dead" in comparison? Both sockets won't get any new releases, yet you only call out one of them on it and you then have the audacity to call me a fanboy, lol!
Did I ever say AM4 isn't dead, and that Zen 3 is a good option? Did you miss me talking smack about the pricing on Zen 3?

As always, you put words in my mouth. Don't worry my sweet summer child, I know not to defend a company that doesn't even know I exist.

This page is about Intel. Why would I bring up AMD's sockets in here, even though it is 100% correct that their socket is also dead?
 
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Really W1zzard? Almost $100 less than 5600X? Somebody have sour grapes about a solid 6 core retailing for $299 MSRP? I don't see jacked up prices, I see retailers raising prices due to demand.

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So, takeaways about this gen, nothing except the i5-11400F is worth buying. Well in my eyes nothing is worth buying since the socket is practically dead, unless you like changing boards when Alder Lake is out.
I must have missed it. Link us please to the review(s) done on the i7 11700F.
 
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Do you have an i7 3770K out there too? I'm dying to see the performance comparison, especially at higher resolutions.
 
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And AM4 isn't "dead" in comparison? Both sockets won't get any new releases, yet you only call out one of them on it and you then have the audacity to call me a fanboy, lol!
No it is not dead. If you have a 470 board and an older 2700x CPU you can still make an upgrade. That's my case. And the AM4 has been with us for 5 years and yet this CPUs from Intel and the socket are dead on arrival. So, kinda lousy comparison and argument from your side to be honest.

On the other point, I kinda dig the 11600K. It's the most valuable CPU in the newly released stack from Intel. Although I would have still gone with the 10th gen anyway if I were to buy a CPU now.

Do you have an i7 3770K out there too? I'm dying to see the performance comparison, especially at higher resolutions.
or the 4770. I'd like to see that one in action. My older rig has a 5600XT and 4770 CPU (non K) Would love to see how this one works at 1440p. If there are any dips in FPS etc.
 
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Bummer, no 11600F coming.

Gonna wait for Alder Lake then, see what that does.
 
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Further evidence why Intel dropped the ball with Rocket Lake.

"If we assume that you can find both the Ryzen 9 5900X and Core i9-11900K close to recommended pricing, Intel really missed the mark with the 11900K's suggested pricing. As the saying goes, there are no bad products, just bad pricing. And the Core i9-11900K definitely has bad pricing.

For gamers, the Core i9-11900K would have to show a more appreciable advantage to justify its price tag and power consumption — the performance deltas are so slim you likely wouldn't notice much difference with current-gen mainstream GPUs, especially at heightened fidelity settings. That makes it hard to justify the Core i9-11900K's $539 price tag."

Intel pulls an AMD from years ago.

W1zzard: "The Ryzen 5 5600X is still faster than the i5-11600K—both are six cores and Intel even has a 300 MHz clock advantage, which shows how impressive AMD's Zen 3 improvements are. Due to the good pricing of the i5-11600K, there really aren't that many competitors besides the Ryzen 5 5600X. The Ryzen 7 5800X costs $450, for 20% faster performance, which definitely is not worth it."

I think your comment sir, is presumptive and unnecessary. AMD 5600X CPUs can be found for less than $450, if one puts in the legwork, but this opinion is YOUR opinion. If someone wants to pay more than MSRP for an AMD then more power to them. Thus, your comment should be constructed in a IMHO fashion, not as a statement that is true in all cases as I may think the AMD CPU, even above MSRP, is or greater value for me than you may think.

"Priced at $275, the Core i5-11600K is sitting at an excellent price point. AMD is currently enjoying their leadership status and has jacked up prices across the board, and they're also suffering from TSMC's limited 7 nanometer production capacity."

Again, AMD did not, as far as I have found, jack up the prices, e-tailers and retailers are raising prices. Get your facts straight sir. Did they raise the price for a 6 core part? Yes. Is the cost justified? Depends on who you ask and why. Is the performance in line with the price increase to $299? For a speedy gaming CPU, it isn't that bad, Intel charged an arm and a leg for high performance years ago. Ultimately, it comes down to how much people are willing to pay for the performance that they get from any one CPU. 5600X CPUs are flying off the shelves, but if there were a glut of them available, then I'm sure AMD would slash the price to move product. There is a balance to the market and if you miss the mark, you miss the mark and make an adjustment. AMD didn't miss the mark, they are offering strong performance for more than we whiny PC enthusiasts want to pay for high end PC hardware.
 
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Further evidence why Intel dropped the ball with Rocket Lake.

"If we assume that you can find both the Ryzen 9 5900X and Core i9-11900K close to recommended pricing, Intel really missed the mark with the 11900K's suggested pricing. As the saying goes, there are no bad products, just bad pricing. And the Core i9-11900K definitely has bad pricing.

For gamers, the Core i9-11900K would have to show a more appreciable advantage to justify its price tag and power consumption — the performance deltas are so slim you likely wouldn't notice much difference with current-gen mainstream GPUs, especially at heightened fidelity settings. That makes it hard to justify the Core i9-11900K's $539 price tag."

Intel pulls an AMD from years ago.

W1zzard: "The Ryzen 5 5600X is still faster than the i5-11600K—both are six cores and Intel even has a 300 MHz clock advantage, which shows how impressive AMD's Zen 3 improvements are. Due to the good pricing of the i5-11600K, there really aren't that many competitors besides the Ryzen 5 5600X. The Ryzen 7 5800X costs $450, for 20% faster performance, which definitely is not worth it."

I think your comment sir, is presumptive and unnecessary. AMD 5600X CPUs can be found for less than $450, if one puts in the legwork, but this opinion is YOUR opinion. If someone wants to pay more than MSRP for an AMD then more power to them. Thus, your comment should be constructed in a IMHO fashion, not as a statement that is true in all cases as I may think the AMD CPU, even above MSRP, is or greater value for me than you may think.

"Priced at $275, the Core i5-11600K is sitting at an excellent price point. AMD is currently enjoying their leadership status and has jacked up prices across the board, and they're also suffering from TSMC's limited 7 nanometer production capacity."

Again, AMD did not, as far as I have found, jack up the prices, e-tailers and retailers are raising prices. Get your facts straight sir. Did they raise the price for a 6 core part? Yes. Is the cost justified? Depends on who you ask and why. Is the performance in line with the price increase to $299? For a speedy gaming CPU, it isn't that bad, Intel charged an arm and a leg for high performance years ago. Ultimately, it comes down to how much people are willing to pay for the performance that they get from any one CPU. 5600X CPUs are flying off the shelves, but if there were a glut of them available, then I'm sure AMD would slash the price to move product. There is a balance to the market and if you miss the mark, you miss the mark and make an adjustment. AMD didn't miss the mark, they are offering strong performance for more than we whiny PC enthusiasts want to pay for high end PC hardware.
Intel will be fine imo until the release of Alder Lake.

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5600X-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B08166SLDF/
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X $399.00

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-12m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz/specifications.html
Intel Core i5-11600KF Recommended Customer Price: $237.00

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5800X-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0815XFSGK/
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X $449.00 FREE delivery: April 19 - 23

Intel Core i7-11700KF $399.99

Intel Core i7-11700F $340.79

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 $209.99 In stock on May 28, 2021

Intel Core i5-11400F $159.99
 
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Intel will be fine imo until the release of Alder Lake.

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5600X-12-Thread-Processor/dp/B08166SLDF/
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X $399.00

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-12m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz/specifications.html
Intel Core i5-11600KF Recommended Customer Price: $237.00

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5800X-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0815XFSGK/
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X $449.00 FREE delivery: April 19 - 23

Intel Core i7-11700KF $399.99

Intel Core i7-11700F $340.79

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 $209.99 In stock on May 28, 2021

Intel Core i5-11400F $159.99
Microcenter still lists 5600X for $299 in store.
 
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Which means absolutely nothing for the majority of the US population seeking that cpu.

The point is, contrary to Wizzard's statement, AMD has not raised the MSRP price as far as I can find, but etailers/retailers have, as in the case of the 5600X for sale on Amazon for $100 more than MSRP. Thus, his comment should have been more along the lines of saying "IMHO the 11600 is a better deal given price and availability right now." The consumer can make up their mind if they want to pay more than MSRP. Maybe they can get a 5600X and a decent mobo cheaper than the 11600 and and a new 500 series mobo not pay $100 more for a CPU and mobo combo but only $50 or less above Intel solution and they might be ok with that.
 
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I must have missed it. Link us please to the review(s) done on the i7 11700F.
When did I mention the 11700F?

My entire point was that this generation is a disaster save for some good value CPUs simply because AMD is trash at availability.
 
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Microcenter still lists 5600X for $299 in store.

MC is its own little world for pricing, it changes the rules for price comparisons. 5600X is certainly a good deal, if you already have an AM4 and want to upgrade for ~$300 that is clearly the right route.

If you're building new or have to get a new MB with a CPU in the $300ish area, and near a MC, it gets a bit murkier. Their Zen 2 prices make zero sense vs the Intel (or Zen 3 for that matter) prices - a 3800X for $329? A 3600X for $229?

10900KF is going for $329 and 10700K is $249, the 10850K is $319, and 11600K is $259 at MC. If you don't plan to OC you can get a 10700F for $219, less than a 3600X. From a price/perf standpoint, this is pretty much a clean sweep for Intel at Microcenter except for the 5600X.

For me, I just picked up a 10850K for $319. I saw three other people getting new CPUs while I was hanging out, two of them were Intel and both were 10th gen. It looks to me like the only RKL selling well is the 11600K, while the 10th gen is selling very well. Perhaps this was the plan.

Edit: So I'm saying 11600K is the only one selling well, but the 11900K is sold out and they had healthy stock middle of last week.
 
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Edit: So I'm saying 11600K is the only one selling well, but the 11900K is sold out and they had healthy stock middle of last week.



From what I'm seeing none of the 11th gen are doing all that well..... people are going 10th gen or sticking with Ryzen.... Guessing people read/watched reviews and were like F that.
 
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From what I'm seeing none of the 11th gen are doing all that well..... people are going 10th gen or sticking with Ryzen.... Guessing people read/watched reviews and were like F that.

Sticking with Zen 2 at inflated prices? I doubt most of those buyers read recent reviews, other than maybe to look at the headline.

Also, those types of charts get statistically meaningless when you realize that Intel has far more SKU depth. I mean 3600 / 3600X vs what, 10600K 10600KF 10600 10500 10400 10400F (not to mention 11th gen)? We've had Zen 2 chips on the top of amazon / newegg retailer sales charts for some time, yet Intel still had a record quarter. I don't think it's meaningful without a lot more data.

Edit: This is what I'm talking about. The 11700K is listed twice. Intel has 25 out of the top 36 best selling CPUs. I missed circling the avengers edition near the bottom.

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Ryzen has been selling well all year but 10th gen seems to have gotten a boost post rocket lake reviews is mostly what I meant..... When Zen 3 released last year they had multiple chips in the top 5 in both list vs rocket lake hitting 16th in one and 17th in the other with likely better availability.

Intel still does really well in oems and zen 3 has had a supply problem is why intel did well last quarter.

It make me happy to see the top 3 intel sku on newegg are all i7 or better though.

Also let's not kid ourselves the diy market is probably less than 10% of the total pie.
 
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Ryzen has been selling well all year but 10th gen seems to have gotten a boost post rocket lake reviews is mostly what I meant..... When Zen 3 released last year they had multiple chips in the top 5 in both list vs rocket lake hitting 16th in one and 19th in the other.

Yeah I agree, RKL doesn't seem to be selling gangbusters like previous CPU releases, at least not in DIY space. There are already a lot of OEM systems using RKL though, so overall sales are unlikely to be represented via DIY sites.

But yes we agree, without a really big uplift from RKL except in decidedly single thread workloads combined with great deals on 10th gen parts (esp for people near a MC) it's just not compelling. Even the 11600K has to compete with 10700K, same as the 5600X.

This may be a mistake though, the one thing RKL really did bring into focus was AVX 512 and DLBoost.

I mean if this becomes the norm, noting this is with a 2080 Ti on all platforms, idk. It's possible this will be a repeat of people buying the pentium cheap after the pentium mmx was released. Honestly with this, anyone doing encoding should probably be looking at Rocket Lake. I don't do encoding though.

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Yeah I agree, RKL doesn't seem to be selling gangbusters like previous CPU releases, at least not in DIY space. There are already a lot of OEM systems using RKL though, so overall sales are unlikely to be represented via DIY sites.

But yes we agree, without a really big uplift from RKL except in decidedly single thread workloads combined with great deals on 10th gen parts (esp for people near a MC) it's just not compelling. Even the 11600K has to compete with 11700K, same as the 5600X.

This may be a mistake though, the one thing RKL really did bring into focus was AVX 512 and DLBoost.

I mean if this becomes the norm, noting this is with a 2080 Ti on all platforms, idk. It's possible this will be a repeat of people buying the pentium cheap after the pentium mmx was released. Honestly with this, anyone doing encoding should probably be looking at Rocket Lake. I don't do encoding though.

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Hard to say..... I do find it odd that so many diy people are grabbing 3600/3700X when intel offers better options at similar/lower prices.... Makes me think there is a ton of people with am4 motherboards.
 

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You probably also want the best encoding quality, which usually means "use x264 on the CPU", or NVENC. Quicksync is slightly worse quality than those, and AMD VCE is the worst
 
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You probably also want the best encoding quality, which usually means "use x264 on the CPU", or NVENC. Quicksync is slightly worse quality than those, and AMD VCE is the worst

That's kind of debatable, 300% faster or hardly noticeable quality, especially when most of these videos are getting put on youtube where it's relatively crap quality anyway.

Also, video editing applications like Premiere Pro can make use of the igpu in parallel with the dGPU.

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That's kind of debatable, 300% faster or hardly noticeable quality, especially when most of these videos are getting put on youtube where it's relatively crap quality anyway.

Also, video editing applications like Premiere Pro can make use of the igpu in parallel with the dGPU.

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I still think most people making money doing this use Threadripper.
 
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I still think most people making money doing this use Threadripper.

Most people aren't making money at it, at least none to speak of ;) But yeah if you are making $100K/yr doing this then you probably should have HEDT, top run software, and tens of thousands invested in cameras.
 
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