Of course. Some AMD acolyte tells us that Der8auer's analysis is useless.
Person should not name another one like this if they don't know them. Or trying to pick a fight. Otherwise, I'd think one wouldn't base their purchase on 2 1080p low details graphs, unsure why Wizz has a test suite of 70-80 (?) apps and games when all you need is 2 slides.
People buying K or X series chips are buying top of the line chips, they are labelled by both AMD and Intel as enthusiast chips. Honestly, there is nothing low end about a 13600K. Upper midrange really ends with the 13600 (or 12400).
I think you'd be right if looking across the entire spectrum, excluding these enthusiast chips - but lets keep in mind 70%-80% of consumer desktop PCs are OEM rigs.
The vast, vast majority of those are running something like a 12400 / 13400 - and most are running lesser than even that. Those chips have no problem whatsoever running on air.
The K and X chips are enthusiast chips. That's why I disdain too much talk of power consumption. It's the wrong context.
It's like watching a bunch of car enthusiasts talking about a Dodge Hellcat and being concerned about MPG. 90% of people who buy these chips don't give a crap.
I agree with this partially, but harsh truth is that:
A) AMD won't have anything below 7600X for a long while, so if one is building new PC from scratch and wants modern components you have nothing to buy but X enthusiast parts from them
B) while Intel will drop 13400/13600 sooner, the 13600 won't be actual Raptor Lake and difference between 13600 and 13600K is way more than just lower TDP. It's basically as deceiving naming as nVidia 4080, less of everything but "same" name.
Thus we're put between a rock and a hard place, either buying 200W CPUs that need tweaking to power limit or undervolt (or both), or buying something from previous gen, in which case we can just buy Zen3 on 2nd hand market and call it a day.
I just watched linustechtips review, they have a ddr4 ram gaming section. long story short, ram doesn't make a damn difference. even high end ddr5 ram vs low end really horrible ddr5 kits didn't matter in the few tests they did.
There's more to DDR4 than a few games. Some people work AND play on the same PC.
I will gladly wait a week or two for Wizz and others to post more DDR4 reviews. (But I think it will show that buying new PC with DDR4 is unwise)
Thanks for the review.
I'd love to see a comparison of the R5 7600X and i5-13600K both limited to 65W (and in the case of the i5 e cores disabled) to get a fun preview of the non-X and non-K parts' performance and efficiency.
I don't expect this to show non-K perf.
BUT! I would like to see 7600X, 7700X, and 13600K tweaked, undervolted, and power limited to roughly same power, and not just in games (that in realistic environment are GPU limited) but also in a productivity and other tests.
I've been planning a new PC for this winter, but I can wait a bit more for all the reviews and tests. And perhaps a bit of price drop.
Yes, right now RL has price edge - if you go with DDR4 and B660 board. But why would I buy 13600K then, lose some here, lose some there, waste of money.
And if I compare DDR5 B660 it's <20$ diff to B650 board with more PCIe lanes. Unlocked 13600K would need bit larger cooler and bit better PSU than 7600X build, so total build price/perf would suffer. Or go with power limits, but then I want those power limited benches and graphs. For AMD we've already seen huge power saving without losing noticable performance (including non-gaming tasks). I want to see if RL can do the same and still beat 7600X with noticable difference (1-3% would be a tie).
IDK, we obviously need more data. Fight is very close. Depending on your focus you'd be picking very different builds for your money. I wish I was just playing games, I'd pick cheapest option and move on to GPU reviews. But this way we can be eyeing compromises between 13600K+DDR4 and 7600X+DDR5. Or ~70-75W power limited 7700X+DDR5 vs 13600X+DDR5. Both would be similar total build expenses. And then we'll get 13700K reviews... So many options.
IMHO, if you're not just gaming, wait a little before deciding what to buy for your needs, it's still very early days.