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Intel Core i7-11700K "Rocket Lake" CPU Outperforms AMD Ryzen 9 5950X in Single-Core Tests

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Right, sorry misquoted you which is a shame since your comedy famnboi stomping, over an unreleased chips scores on a shit benchmark just got more attention.

Don't feed the trolls :)
 
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I thought Intel uses "Realworld benchmark"

Is Geekbench a "Realworld benchmark" now ? :)
 
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I thought Intel uses "Realworld benchmark"

Is Geekbench a "Realworld benchmark" now ? :)
People went nuts over the M1 benchmarks on Geekbench for literally 3 months. Only seems fair.
 
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X86-64 has the advantage of is you want to do X in the future software and brute force will do it, ARM designs..... You need to buy a whole new device.
Brute force vs intelligence. X86 has no brain Apple has brain. exist midway between X86 and Apple? Intelligent force?
 
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Good for Intel, I'm just curious how they price these chips :D
 
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Has rumors about ZEN4 for AM5 delay to Q3 2022? Why? To start together with RDNA3 cards? If that is true Intel has chance to compete Meteor lake against ZEN4 series. I hope for battle with many big cores vs many big cores!
 

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To start together with RDNA3 cards?
Why?
I don't believe that for a second. Look what happened when RDNA2, Vermeer, XBOX and PS all launched within a few months, all coming from TSMC's production.
You think AMD wants to repeat that?

Some illiterate people even thinks those launches were paper launches, which is just hilarious and sad at the same time. It doesn't work like that. ;)

2022 sounds right tho, and maybe even Q3, although I'd guess a bit earlier in the year.
 
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Yes, and it proberly takes 255W of power to accomplish beating AMD, while AMD on the other hand does'nt go beyond 144W with PBO enabled and proberly alot more cores too.
 
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I think ARM has an advantage on decoder width. That's the only weak point of the x86 ISA I can think of.
x86 requires a byte-by-byte decoder, because you have 2-byte, 3-byte, 4-byte... 15-byte instructions (some of which are macro-op fused and/or micro-op split). ARM standardized upon 4-byte instructions with an occasional 8-byte macro-op fused…
Yes, it's certainly an advantage for implementing ARM, but I don't think it's such a big deal. And even with the variable instruction word width, an x86 implementation still doesn't need that many logic gates to determine the instruction length, and then pipeline even more than four decoders if needed.

I really don't think decoding width is the bottle neck for x86, well at least not now. But stay tuned for Sapphire Rapids(Golden Cove), where at least the front-end is "significantly larger" than Sunny Cove, including an 600 instruction OoO window. I expect this may be to feed more execution ports, but time will tell.

Apple has a superior decoder: just 8-uops/tick no matter what. Its the "more expensive transistor budget" compared to a uop cache. Apple can achieve 8uops/tick across the entire 192kB L1 instruction cache, while Intel Skylake / AMD Zen3 can only achieve 4-uops/tick across a 48kB L1 cache (Skylake) / 32kB L1 (Zen3) cache, and a 6-uop/tick across a smaller region inside of the uOp cache.
A little side note; don't forget ARM requires more instructions to do the same work, so it's not an apples to apples comparison. (no pun intended)

LoL I see that X86 is ok with better decoder. But isn't possible to make better decoder because has depencies how work ISA with information. This is same as ISA X86 is not ok itself.
I think you got this all wrong, a bigger decoder doesn't require any ISA changes.
Just wait for Sapphire Rapids, and you'll see a much more sophisticated x86 based microarchitecture.
 
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Not a fair comparison! Intel's Rocket lake instruction set has AVX-512, ZEN 3 does not. Geekbench 5 takes advantage of this.

Hey now, let's not look at things accurately!

lol, looks like they are doing another bone headed buyback.

lmao, all those buys and the stock dropped down again.
 
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Yet more benchmarks with little to no relevance for real workloads. :)
1)That was a reply with a scent of sarcasm. No AMD fan can reject cinebench. 2)Almost every CPU benchmark is useless when isolated. Many benchmarks combined with browsing speed, office work, gaming etc can show the whole potential of a CPU. That's why TPU is my first choice for reviews.
 

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Almost every CPU benchmark is useless when isolated.
Geekbench is way worse than a lot of individual benchmarks. CB does at least tell us something about rendering performance (even in programs other than C4D).
Geekbench tells us nothing, it's inconsistent with a lot of other benchmarks, and the choice of OS makes way too much difference.

Still, every CPU leak is Geekbench, and still I don't know why. Well unless it's all about accessibility.
 
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Geekbench is way worse than a lot of individual benchmarks. CB does at least tell us something about rendering performance (even in programs other than C4D).
Geekbench tells us nothing, it's inconsistent with a lot of other benchmarks, and the choice of OS makes way too much difference.

Still, every CPU leak is Geekbench, and still I don't know why. Well unless it's all about accessibility.

Geekbench is basically aimed at web-like workloads. DOM traversal (aka HTML), AES-encryption / decryption (aka: HTTPS performance), Javascript parsing, etc. etc. Its pretty well documented actually...
 

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Geekbench is basically aimed at web-like workloads. DOM traversal (aka HTML), AES-encryption / decryption (aka: HTTPS performance), Javascript parsing, etc. etc. Its pretty well documented actually...
Sure, but is that what HW enthusiasts are most interested in when it comes to leaked info about upcoming CPU's? Before rendering or gaming performance for instance?
 
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Sure, but is that what HW enthusiasts are most interested in when it comes to leaked info about upcoming CPU's? Before rendering or gaming performance for instance?

That their pet CPU performs better than others and that they should get into flamewars with everyone who disagrees with them?

I mean, if you're going to pose a question, you aren't necessarily going to get an answer you like :)
 

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That their pet CPU performs better than others and that they should get into flamewars with everyone who disagrees with them?

I mean, if you're going to pose a question, you aren't necessarily going to get an answer you like :)
Am I supposed to stitch together a conspiracy theory here, about about how various HW sites pay Geekbench to make a benchmark that's as least useful for f**boys as possible, in order to calm down forums? :roll:

AMD users may like CBench, while Intel users may prefer gaming benchmarks, but my question is, who does Geekbench cater to among HW enthusiasts?
Do we really find a substantial amount of those people in HW forums, for instance? I don't think so.
 
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AMD users may like CBench, while Intel users may prefer gaming benchmarks, but my question is, who does Geekbench cater to among HW enthusiasts?
Do we really find a substantial amount of those people in HW forums, for instance? I don't think so.

Geekbench caters towards web users. Which happens to be everyone reading this forum.

Each click you make on this website kicks off HTTPS AES Decryption, followed by HTML + Javascript Parsing. Every post you have made is inside of a Javascript WYSIWYG GUI, parsed into an HTML form, packaged into an HTTPS Encrypted message and piped to the server. The very stuff that composes the Geekbench suite.

I said that before, but maybe if I say it again with more explicit examples, you'll get what I'm trying to say.
 
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Am I supposed to stitch together a conspiracy theory here, about about how various HW sites pay Geekbench to make a benchmark that's as least useful for f**boys as possible, in order to calm down forums? :roll:

AMD users may like CBench, while Intel users may prefer gaming benchmarks, but my question is, who does Geekbench cater to among HW enthusiasts?
Do we really find a substantial amount of those people in HW forums, for instance? I don't think so.

in the grand scheme of things geekbench scores mean nothing.

Its the only number they seem to have do what I do ignore them and wait for a production review. Which won't be until the March 2021 time frame.
 
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Geekbench caters towards web users. Which happens to be everyone reading this forum.

Each click you make on this website kicks off HTTPS AES Decryption, followed by HTML + Javascript Parsing. Every post you have made is inside of a Javascript WYSIWYG GUI, parsed into an HTML form, packaged into an HTTPS Encrypted message and piped to the server. The very stuff that composes the Geekbench suite.

The question is will 6 Gb/s worth of AES encryption performance gonna matter as opposed to just 5 Gb/s ?

I don’t think so.

Am I supposed to stitch together a conspiracy theory here, about about how various HW sites pay Geekbench to make a benchmark that's as least useful for f**boys as possible, in order to calm down forums? :roll:

Nah, what happened is GB was always used in the context of iOS vs Android because the benchmark would always get updated to make Apple chips look better whenever a new one was released. Then what happened was that people noticed that those absurd numbers where becoming comparable with desktop chips so now it’s used everywhere.
 
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Geekbench caters towards web users. Which happens to be everyone reading this forum.

Each click you make on this website kicks off HTTPS AES Decryption, followed by HTML + Javascript Parsing. Every post you have made is inside of a Javascript WYSIWYG GUI, parsed into an HTML form, packaged into an HTTPS Encrypted message and piped to the server. The very stuff that composes the Geekbench suite.
That goes without saying, but what does that have to do with measuring performance for those who doesn't care about that, ie most people here, presumably?

All over the net you'll find "Let's build a render box!", or "Ultimate ITX gaming" kind of guides, as a consequence of lots of people use Blender, etc, or play AAA games.
How many build a "Fastest HTTPS AES Decryption rig"? I'm not saying they don't exist, just that they're small minority, most likely.

Back to square one, if GBench shows web performance, and most people wants to know other kind of performance, how come GB is still the first one to pop up in leaks??

It's a mismatch, to say the least.
That's without touching the aspect of benchmark quality. There are more suitable benchmarks, but they never show up in leaks.

The question is will 6 Gb/s worth of AES encryption performance gonna matter as opposed to just 5 Gb/s ?

I don’t think so.
Exactly. It doesn't define the next build, far from it. (Admittedly, no individual benchmark does, but you get my point.)

Nah, what happened is GB was always used in the context of iOS vs Android because the benchmark would always get updated to make Apple chips look better whenever a new one was released. Then what happened was that people noticed that those absurd numbers where becoming comparable with desktop chips so now it’s used everywhere.
Yup. Just look at Ryzen 5000 Hacintosh machines, way ahead of W10 counterparts. It's supposed to be OS agnostic tho.. :D
 
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That goes without saying, but what does that have to do with measuring performance for those who doesn't care about that, ie most people here, presumably?

All over the net you'll find "Let's build a render box!", or "Ultimate ITX gaming" kind of guides, as a consequence of lots of people use Blender, etc, or play AAA games.
How many build a "Fastest HTTPS AES Decryption rig"? I'm not saying they don't exist, just that they're small minority, most likely.

Back to square one, if GBench shows web performance, and most people wants to know other kind of performance, how come GB is still the first one to pop up in leaks??

It's a mismatch, to say the least.
That's without touching the aspect of benchmark quality. There are more suitable benchmarks, but they never show up in leaks.


Exactly. It doesn't define the next build, far from it. (Admittedly, no individual benchmark does, but you get my point.)


Yup. Just look at Ryzen 5000 Hacintosh machines, way ahead of W10 counterparts. It's supposed to be OS agnostic tho.. :D
AES en/decryption is very relevant, but no on the client side (mainstream/desktop), but on the server side. So I would agree it's not a relevant benchmark for these mainstream parts.
 
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That goes without saying, but what does that have to do with measuring performance for those who doesn't care about that, ie most people here, presumably?

All over the net you'll find "Let's build a render box!", or "Ultimate ITX gaming" kind of guides, as a consequence of lots of people use Blender, etc, or play AAA games.
How many build a "Fastest HTTPS AES Decryption rig"? I'm not saying they don't exist, just that they're small minority, most likely.

Back to square one, if GBench shows web performance, and most people wants to know other kind of performance, how come GB is still the first one to pop up in leaks??

It's a mismatch, to say the least.
That's without touching the aspect of benchmark quality. There are more suitable benchmarks, but they never show up in leaks.

Geekbench5 assigns 5% to the Cryptography score (AES benchmark), which seems reasonable to me. Do you think it should be greater, or less than 5%?

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The integer workloads are 65% of Geekbench.

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Which consists of compression, HTML5, PDF rendering, and other such common tasks.

CLang is probably not so common, but probably is representative of Javascript. SQLite is in a bunch of random stuff, so its probably a good benchmark today.

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Raytracing, Machine Learning, etc. etc. are Vectorized-based tasks, taking 35% of the weight. The vectorized / floating point tasks are clearly aimed at the scientific community, I guess the "hardcore" benchmarks you're interested in. But I would argue that those tasks are quite uncommon for a typical computer user today.
 
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