Intel Core i9-10900K

[X71200]

No. Just no. I know you're saying budget wise but balls to the wall top-end setup is intel CPU and NV RTX 2080 Ti. Nothing will beat it in gaming.

The point was, buying a 2080 or similar with an AMD CPU, for the same money as, let's say, 2070 with the Intel. In such case, you will get better performance with the AMD setup.

One should buy what they needs. I could have gotten the Ti at the time but I didn't, because the 2080 was suffice for my needs, and still is. I can play Warzone most things cranked pretty much gloriously at 3440x1440.

 

[W1zzard]

avg. and peak core/thread usage

Elaborate please

 

[cucker tarlson]

Elaborate please

what max usage the cores are hitting
if you analyze youtube videos you can see that amd and intel manage usage in a different way.
amd 3000 tends to hit higher usage on some cores and leave others working very lightly.

 

[Vayra86]

what max usage the cores are hitting
if you analyze youtube videos you can see that amd and intel manage usage in a different way.
amd 3000 tends to hit higher usage on some cores and leave others working very lightly.
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The usage stat is highly misleeading. I wouldn't bother much with it to be fair. I've seen games saturate all cores and no problems whatsoever, yet another game saturates all cores and its a stutterfest.

 

[cucker tarlson]

The usage stat is highly misleeading. I wouldn't bother much with it to be fair. I've seen games saturate all cores and no problems whatsoever, yet another game saturates all cores and its a stutterfest.

would prefer to stay on the safe side if that's possible.

 

[Houd.ini]

I doubt PCIe 3.0 vs PCIe 4.0 would make any difference to idle power, at least not if no PCIe 4.0 devices are being used. It's more likely that Intel is simply better than AMD at the whole idle power end of things and it's something that have been for quite some time. AMD seems to be starting to catch up on the mobile side though, so maybe that'll be something that translates over to the next set of desktop CPUs as well.

You're right, PCIe is throttled in idle so it should not make much of a difference. The Infinity Fabric uses quite a bit of power at idle because it apparently does not clock down, that was something AMD worked on in Renoir (asynchronous IF/ mem speed if I am not mistaken).

 

[Vayra86]

would prefer to stay on the safe side if that's possible.

That's the thing; its not possible going by the usage stat. Game load varies highly per engine, whether online or not and even with how many players (remember Battlefield)...The safe side is getting all the CPU you can afford, and then just upgrade when you feel the current one becomes a problem.

I mean isn't that what you've done last time and since?

 

[cucker tarlson]

That's the thing; its not possible going by the usage stat. The safe side is getting all the CPU you can afford, and then just upgrade when you feel the current one becomes a problem.

I mean isn't that what you've done last time and since?

I'm way past due upgrading

 

[MrAMD]

The point was, buying a 2080 or similar with an AMD CPU, for the same money as, let's say, 2070 with the Intel. In such case, you will get better performance with the AMD setup.

I already said that's true but the point isn't totally correct anymore once you factor in the new i5-10600k with cache ratio and ram overclocking. It even beats the 10900k in most cases. You'll get best value and top-performance for gaming with that chip and RTX GPU for any said budget.

 

[X71200]

I already said that's true but the point isn't totally correct anymore once you factor in the new i5-10600k with cache ratio and ram overclocking. It even beats the 10900k in most cases. You'll get best value and top-performance for gaming with that chip and RTX GPU for any said budget.

Yeah, 6 core against 8 and 12, sure I'm getting the best value for any said usage. I want to be able to stream off the CPU as well when I do it, not just NVENC.

 

[cucker tarlson]

The point was, buying a 2080 or similar with an AMD CPU, for the same money as, let's say, 2070 with the Intel. In such case, you will get better performance with the AMD setup.

One should buy what they needs. I could have gotten the Ti at the time but I didn't, because the 2080 was suffice for my needs, and still is. I can play Warzone most things cranked pretty much gloriously at 3440x1440.

seriously,intel has a cpu to beat or match amd in value for gaming in every segment.
10400f for 3600,10600kf for 3700x,10700f/kf for 3900x
they go back and forth,win some lose some,but I don't know where you're getting a whole $200 difference between them.

 

[X71200]

seriously,intel has a cpu to beat or match amd in value for gaming in every segment.
10400f for 3600,10600kf for 3700x,10700f/kf for 3900x
I don't where you're getting a whole $200 difference between them.

Look at the thread title and you might see it.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Look at the thread title and you might see it.

that'd be true if intel's own 10600kf/10700f hadn't offered that already.
amd's r5/7 aren't really more budget friendly gaming than 10400f,10600kf or 10700f

 

[X71200]

that'd be true if intel's own 10600kf/10700f hadn't offered that already.
amd's r5/7 aren't really more budget friendly gaming than 10400f,10600kf or 10700f

See I don't want a 6 core or locked CPUs for my main. So that rules them all out for me.

 

[cucker tarlson]

See I don't want a 6 core or locked CPUs for my main. So that rules them all out for me.

I guess it's good for you to have a choice then.

 

[X71200]

I guess it's good for you to have a choice then.

It indeed is, at $500 and with $300 boards, I actually found a deal on a 14 core Cascade Lake and messaged a guy about it. That should make quite a machine with an Ampere.

 

[cucker tarlson]

It indeed is, at $500 and with $300 boards, I actually found a deal on a 14 core Cascade Lake and messaged a guy about it. That should make quite a machine with an Ampere.

Jesus how come there's yet another Lake I haven't heard of.

oh,they're 10th gen 2066.heard of them.They're mediocre at stock but get them to run 4.7GHz core,OC the mesh and get some quad channel +3000 sticks and it absolutely wrecks the competition.

 

[MrAMD]

Yeah, 6 core against 8 and 12, sure I'm getting the best value for any said usage. I want to be able to stream off the CPU as well when I do it, not just NVENC.

You're moving the goalposts now. Obviously if said user wanted to seriously stream games every session you would pick an appropriate chip. In this scenario we would still have to compare the i7-10700k (value 9900ks) as 8 cores are perfectly able to stream and have stupid amounts of background tasks.

 

[cucker tarlson]

You're moving the goalposts now. Obviously if said user wanted to seriously stream games every session you would pick an appropriate chip. In this scenario we would still have to compare the i7-10700k (value 9900ks) as 8 cores are perfectly able to stream and have stupid amounts of background tasks.

they're a fair bit more pricey than 3700x.
I'd go for a 10700f frankly.yeah it's locked but look at the actual boost values.what are you seriously going to achieve with a K-series over what it offers.200MHz maybe 300MHz.

 

[MrAMD]

they're a fair bit more pricey than 3700x.
I'd go for a 10700f frankly.yeah it's locked but look at the actual boost values.what are you seriously going to achieve with a K-series over what it offers.200MHz maybe 300MHz.

Yes true it's slightly more expensive compared to the 3700x but it's also considerably faster. Downside is no included cooler which Intel is losing out on. You probably can't find a huge GPU upgrade for only $80+ odd dollars though. Better GPU model cooler? That's about it all things being equal

 

[X71200]

Yes true it's slightly more expensive comapred to the 3700x but it's also considerably faster. And you probably can't find a huge GPU upgrade for only $80+ odd dollars. Better GPU model cooler? That's about it all things being equal

Actually, you can with so many series out in the market. Like all those Nvidia Super GPUs.

 

[MrAMD]

Actually, you can with so many series out in the market. Like all those Nvidia Super GPUs.

Looking at current market trends via pcpartpicker. You would need to spend at least $110+ to upgrade an 2060 to 2070. With Intel not including an cooler that would make up the difference. I concede my previous point

 

[cucker tarlson]

Looking at current market trends via pcpartpicker. You would need to spend at least $110+ to upgrade an 2060 to 2070. With Intel not including an cooler that would make up the difference. I concede my previous point

what about 2060 to 2060s ?

 

[HenrySomeone]

they're a fair bit more pricey than 3700x.
I'd go for a 10700f frankly.yeah it's locked but look at the actual boost values.what are you seriously going to achieve with a K-series over what it offers.200MHz maybe 300MHz.

So are you going to finally pull the trigger? I remember you were first itching for an 8700k, then later 8086k then 9900ks... Or are you waiting for Rocket Lake (or maybe Zen3 which although certainly won't beat 10th gen in gaming, might cause the latter's price drops if it gets close enough...)

 

[MrAMD]

what about 2060 to 2060s ?

Looks like highest-end 2060 is equal to entry-level 2060s price ($369)