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Best thing about Intel CPUs is you dont need a dGPU to make them work nor only limit your selection to APUs from AMD.

If youre building a computer right now and you dont already have a GPU then there is zero value in any AMD CPU currently.
Not true, the Ryzen 4000 series APUs and newer 5000 series APUs have more powerful integrated graphics than Intel, however, if you buy an non APU chip from AMD then you are out of luck for GPU. APUs are good enough to play PUBG type games at lower detail levels for reasonable frame rates.
 
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Not true, the Ryzen 4000 series APUs and newer 5000 series APUs have more powerful integrated graphical software than Intel, however, if you buy an non APU chip from AMD then you are out of luck for GPU. APUs are good enough to play PUBG type games at lower detail levels for reasonable frame rates.

DIY builders cannot buy those, at least not from normal / reputable dealers. Those are sold to OEMs only.
 
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DIY builders cannot buy those, at least not from normal / reputable dealers. Those are sold to OEMs only.
Valid point if you are only wanting to do a DIY build versus buying an OEM computer.
 
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Not true, the Ryzen 4000 series APUs and newer 5000 series APUs have more powerful integrated graphics than Intel, however, if you buy an non APU chip from AMD then you are out of luck for GPU. APUs are good enough to play PUBG type games at lower detail levels for reasonable frame rates.

Holy crap man are you even reading what youre responding to?
 
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Any chance of seeing power numbers for video decode?
 

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Oh my Lord, this is just a compromise.
Got my hands on a 5950x and i can easily say, intel you have to concentrate this time, the ship has sailed and you have to struggle hard even to keep up.
 
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Even the 5800X is higher in stock performance and consumes less power. Even remotely, it has nothing to do with the 5900x. Waste of sand, as Gamernexus said. Empty investment even for 9900k users. Despite using Intel, I was disappointed. Paying a lot of money and not exceeding 5800x in stock speed. Empty investment.
You claimed, quote,

"420W of power at full load.so disappointed"

Can you at least apologize FFS? I really don't understand what the f*k has happened to people on the Internet. You catch them egregiously lying and they continue to talk BS. I don't f*king care about Gamernexus or anything like that. The high power usage was totally expected given that the uArch was never intended to be using the 14nm node. You don't like its power consumption? Do not buy, period. There's no use bitching about something Intel could not have fixed. Alder Lake will be produced using the 10nm node and is expected to fix power consumption. Have fun.

Edit: added to my ignore list. I don't want to deal with bloody <skipped>.
 
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I really don't understand what the f*k has happened to people on the Internet. You catch them egregiously lying and they continue to talk BS.
Oh, in that case, welcome to the Internet.
The high power usage was totally expected given that the uArch was never intended to be using the 14nm node.
All the more reason to call this a desperate attempt at taking back that gaming performance crown. It has no reason to exist, the socket's already dead, Alder Lake will be the real product here (hopefully), therefore confirming that this generation is indeed a waste of sand.
 
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To be fair 4th/6th/8th/9th/10th gen was all very stable for me so it was true till Rocketlake.


Easy when all you are doing is upgrading your cpu's by 5% each time and not actually bringing anything new to the market.
 
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Valid point if you are only wanting to do a DIY build versus buying an OEM computer.

I don't consider the enthusiast sites, including TPU / Toms / AT and so on, as good reference points for OEM systems. An OEM rig needs to be tested itself, vs other rigs, as many such rigs have too many limitations whether in BIOS or by build choices. Look at AIOs for example and see how many are running DDR4-2400 and DDR4-2666. Like 90% or more. That one choice alone by the OEM will completely rearrange winners and losers. Example : Zen 2 suffers horribly from low speed RAM, while Skylake enjoyed the lower latency.
 

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Imagine being AMD unironically and still being slower than Skylake from 2015 and Rocket Lake /Icelake from 2016 with a few tweaks/ in gaming in 2021.

Pathetic....

Wait for Zen4!
 
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You claimed, quote,

"420W of power at full load.so disappointed"

Can you at least apologize FFS? I really don't understand what the f*k has happened to people on the Internet. You catch them egregiously lying and they continue to talk BS. I don't f*king care about Gamernexus or anything like that. The high power usage was totally expected given that the uArch was never intended to be using the 14nm node. You don't like its power consumption? Do not buy, period. There's no use bitching about something Intel could not have fixed. Alder Lake will be produced using the 10nm node and is expected to fix power consumption. Have fun.
It's not about Alder Lake, it's Rocket Lake. Released products do not add much to the 10th generation (except PCI Express 4.0), they consume higher power than the competitor Zen3 and still perform poorly, I don't understand what we are discussing? 11400F is the only thing I love about the series
There is no reason not to buy 10700K or 10850K instead of buying the tremendously expensive 11900K.
 
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Well, one item missing from enthusiast sites is applications that support Intel's AI core.

This is what happens when it's used. With RKL, adoption of this is likely to accelerate :

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Looks like MSRP on these is 613.99 based on Newegg/Microcenter.

That's gonna be a no from me dog.

Not sure if it's been asked, but is there anyway to adjust the price/performance metrics now that we know the retail cost?
 
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It's not about Alder Lake, it's Rocket Lake. Released products do not add much to the 10th generation (except PCI Express 4.0), they consume higher power than the competitor Zen3 and still perform poorly, I don't understand what we are discussing? 11400F is the only thing I love about the series
There is no reason not to buy 10700K or 10850K instead of buying the tremendously expensive 11900K.
Stop feeding the troll.
 
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Looks like MSRP on these is 613.99 based on Newegg/Microcenter.

That's gonna be a no from me dog.

Not sure if it's been asked, but is there anyway to adjust the price/performance metrics now that we know the retail cost?

MSRP is set by manfucaturer: Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price. "Suggested" is key here. ASP (Average Selling Price), or street price if you prefer, can easily be higher or lower than MSRP. That does not change the MSRP.
 

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Really?




That's a shame. 11600K is of course cheaper than the 5600X. Slower in CPU performance, slower in games and consumes much more power. You can OC 5600 in B motherboards, you can't do that with the 11600K. B450 motherboards are compatible with Zen 3, B460 are not with RL. And the former (and even the B550) are (much) cheaper than B560.

Slower by 4%. That’s about the 4% you would otherwise have laughed at, anno, when intel was so much faster.

The difference in consumption is noticeable for a household on an annual basis.

Overclock: that is, those who do not overclock, 95% of the market does not matter.

In summary, you can’t bring up anything against intel that could be accepted as a real argument.
 
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To be fair 4th/6th/8th/9th/10th gen was all very stable for me so it was true till Rocketlake.

It's easy to provide a stable platform when you are rehasing mostly the same garbage. People have criticized AMD for the minimal issues on it's current 500 series chipsets, it's just poetic justice that (what should be to no one's surprise) Intel has issues when moving to PCIe 4.0 as well. Who would have thought that actually changing your platform would introduce some bugs /s.
 
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It's easy to provide a stable platform when you are rehasing mostly the same garbage. People have criticized AMD for the minimal issues on it's current 500 series chipsets, it's just poetic justice that (what should be to no one's surprise) Intel has issues when moving to PCIe 4.0 as well. Who would have thought that actually changing your platform would introduce some bugs /s.
A hundred times this.

Ryzen has an issue: Look at how incompetent AMD is and how unstable the Ryzen platform is.
Intel has an issue: Pfft, so what, it'll get fixed within a month.

Double standards at their finest.

Nevermind the fact that AMD got in touch with people who had issues and developed a fix included in a later BIOS...

also imagine being angry when someone has valid criticism towards your favorite company/piece of silicon
 
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It's easy to provide a stable platform when you are rehasing mostly the same garbage. People have criticized AMD for the minimal issues on it's current 500 series chipsets, it's just poetic justice that (what should be to no one's surprise) Intel has issues when moving to PCIe 4.0 as well. Who would have thought that actually changing your platform would introduce some bugs /s.
Same "garbage" huh pal? Since every single one of the above mentioned generations was superior (far so up until 2019) to AMD offerings when it launched, what does that make the latter? Sub-garbage pieces of shit? (sounds about right for the FX chips though... :laugh:)
 
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Same "garbage" huh pal? Since every single one of the above mentioned generations was superior (far so up until 2019) to AMD offerings when it launched, what does that make the latter? Sub-garbage pieces of shit? (sounds about right for the FX chips though... :laugh:)
Of course, AMD released nothing good, so our beloved, righteous and honest company Intel did the "right" thing and established a monopoly where they release the same factual garbage, for years, each time increasing the price so they can profit off of people buying the same CPU every year, instead of you know, innovating and making a good product for once. And I guarantee you AMD would do the same if they had the chance.

So far, AMD has released four generations every year, Intel used to release the same generation for 5 years... As a consumer, I don't like the increased pricing on Zen 3, but considering the advancements they made, the innovation they brought to the CPU market, and them making your 10th gen chips cheaper, they deserve it. Consider this, the only reason the CPU market is as competitive and active as it is right now, is because of AMD and Zen. And consider this, throughout the plenty of price increases Intel has had over the years (on the same exact CPU, just renamed, and possibly on a new socket cuz why not, no less), don't you think AMD has the right to at least one price increase?

But if they ever reach a point where they pull a Skylake, it's a no from me regarding their products. Just as it should be for everyone. Yet, people seem to think a company who's only purpose is to make money gives a single damn about you unless you hold shares (hell, maybe not even then.) Typical fanboy stockholm syndrome. This message applies to any fanboy regardless of which company you so adamantly defend. Why do you do it? Hell if I know. I just find it funny when you react "Angry" to every post saying the smallest negative remark about your beloved company lmao.

Edit: Completely ignored what I said lol. I'll take it as a victory :rockout:
 
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