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Would be nice if we could ever discuss these new releases without adamant fanboys rearing their ugly head in.
Unfortunately, when it comes to these things, I don't believe that's possible. That's why I mostly sit back and watch the show. To the point, this product is a complete dud. That's obvious. It's not like I can really build anything anyway, with even mid-range GPU' being almost 75% of the build costs. Oh, well...
 
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every AMD user was hoping this would outperform ZEN3 so we could have some response by AMD, maybe ZEN4 or ZEN3+ coming sooner, but at this rate we getting ZEN4 in MID-2022 and that's probably for the best, hoping we see better availability in the future....
 
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That's a shame. 11600K is of course cheaper than the 5600X. Slower in CPU performance, slower in games and consumes much more power. You can OC 5600 in B motherboards, you can't do that with the 11600K. B450 motherboards are compatible with Zen 3, B460 are not with RL. And the former (and even the B550) are (much) cheaper than B560.
Wrong.
 
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Unfortunately, when it comes to these things, I don't believe that's possible. That's why I mostly sit back and watch the show. To the point, this product is a complete dud. That's obvious. It's not like I can really build anything anyway, with even mid-range GPU' being almost 75% of the build costs. Oh, well...
It's sad really. These tech forums could be so much better if we could actually have civil discussions.
 
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Same "garbage" huh pal? Since every single one of the above mentioned generations was superior (far so up until 2019) to AMD offerings when it launched, what does that make the latter? Sub-garbage pieces of shit? (sounds about right for the FX chips though... :laugh:)

You are conflating superior CPUs with amazing platforms. Just because Intel used to have better CPUs doesn't suddenly make their platform perfect. Fact is, they did absolutely nothing interesting for years on end until AMD was heavy in the market with Zen+.

Mind you the only reason Intel had 10 years of sitting on it's rear in the first place is because it blocked AMD from even being able to compete. Being the head hancho of the shitfest that was the CPU market pre-zen is not an accomplishment. It's a badge of shame and nothing to brag about. Yeah, AMD CPUs were bad. It's not really funny that PC gamers were shafted for a generation though. Why people insist on bragging about themselves getting shafted is irony in the least.
 
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It's sad really. These tech forums could be so much better if we could actually have civil discussions.
So much irony in that post.

Let's not forget Intel paying off OEMs to not use AMD CPUs in their systems, and a variety of other anti-competitive practices done by them, in that same timespan where AMD released its "garbage" CPUs. They are not your friend, neither is AMD. They are a company.

Could we get back on topic now please?
Unlike AMD, Intel has targeted the not so wealthy gamers.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1621133-REG/intel_bx8070811400f_core_i5_11400f_2_6_ghz.html/
Intel Core i5-11400F $167.95 New Item - Coming Soon

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-11700-core-i7-11th-gen/p/N82E16819118237
Intel Core i7-11700F $365.49

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119384
ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS LGA $119.99
 
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Best thing about Intel CPUs is you dont need a dGPU to make them work nor only limit your selection to APUs from AMD.

If youre building a computer right now and you dont already have a GPU then there is zero value in any AMD CPU currently.
Really? Here, you can buy RX 570 4GB for $200-215 (= at least NEAR its MSRP) which is faster than the 1650 that is available from $291. Buy it and you can sell it with small loss when mining craze ends.
 
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And as of today the AMD 3600 is out of stock on both Newegg and Amazon and not expected to be back in stock until the third week of April. lol
 
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So much irony in that post.


Unlike AMD, Intel has targeted the not so wealthy gamers.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1621133-REG/intel_bx8070811400f_core_i5_11400f_2_6_ghz.html/
Intel Core i5-11400F $167.95 New Item - Coming Soon

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-11700-core-i7-11th-gen/p/N82E16819118237
Intel Core i7-11700F $365.49

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119384
ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS LGA $119.99

ASRock B450 PRO4 for -$30, 5600X for -$15 less with nearly the same CPU performance while having 2 less cores, and consuming about HALF as many power as the 11700. And you can even OC the 5600X if you want that extra 2-3%.
 
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You are conflating superior CPUs with amazing platforms. Just because Intel used to have better CPUs doesn't suddenly make their platform perfect. Fact is, they did absolutely nothing interesting for years on end until AMD was heavy in the market with Zen+.

Mind you the only reason Intel had 10 years of sitting on it's rear in the first place is because it blocked AMD from even being able to compete. Being the head hancho of the shitfest that was the CPU market pre-zen is not an accomplishment. It's a badge of shame and nothing to brag about. Yeah, AMD CPUs were bad. It's not really funny that PC gamers were shafted for a generation though. Why people insist on bragging about themselves getting shafted is irony in the least.
Right, right - they forced them to make crappy first gen Phenoms way back in 2007 and then even crappier Faildozers in 2011! Or was it some ingenious reverse industrial espionage where they planted those designs in AMD's labs and their engineers just went "Ehh, it looks kinda shit, but we'll do it anyway!" :roll:
 

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Same "garbage" huh pal? Since every single one of the above mentioned generations was superior (far so up until 2019) to AMD offerings when it launched, what does that make the latter? Sub-garbage pieces of shit? (sounds about right for the FX chips though... :laugh:)
Obviously, I don't care about the previous series, for example the FX series, as I'm always looking now and into the future. Now more work had to be done on the 10nm alder lake architecture instead of rocket lake nonsense. However, there has been a heavy demand for PCI Ex 4.0 and minor updates have been made to the motherboard.
 
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ASRock B450 PRO4 for -$30, 5600X for -$15 less with nearly the same CPU performance while having 2 less cores, and consuming about HALF as many power as the 11700. And you can even OC the 5600X if you want that extra 2-3%.
Plug & play ftw. No having to worry about what RAM to use. For the new user, casual gamer, someone coming over from console or just someone who doesn't want to mess with sh1t after putting their rig together you can't beat Intel. Like I've said before, OC in regards to Intel users is going the way of the manual transmission. It's for hobbyist and people who are stuck in 2016.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157977
ASRock B560 Pro4 $109.99

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1621133-REG/intel_bx8070811400f_core_i5_11400f_2_6_ghz.html/
Intel Core i5-11400F $167.95

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-11700-core-i7-11th-gen/p/N82E16819118237
Intel Core i7-11700F $365.49

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232884
G.SKILL Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 CL16 Intel XMP 2.0 $79.99
 
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Plug & play ftw. No having to worry about what RAM to use. For the new user, casual gamer, someone coming over from console or just someone who doesn't want to mess with sh1t after putting their rig together you can't beat Intel. Like I've said before, OC in regards to Intel users is going the way of the manual transmission. It's for hobbyist and people who are stuck in 2016.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157977
ASRock B560 Pro4 $109.99

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1621133-REG/intel_bx8070811400f_core_i5_11400f_2_6_ghz.html/
Intel Core i5-11400F $167.95

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-11700-core-i7-11th-gen/p/N82E16819118237
Intel Core i7-11700F $365.49

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232884
G.SKILL Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 CL16 Intel XMP 2.0 $79.99
Not having to worry about what RAM to use was a thing since Zen 2 released. My rig was pretty much plug and play.
 
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I have no interest in an integrated GPU, which will ultimately become a completely wasted area of silicon on my chip.
Same here. I can't say it's a fact, but I would guess that most people buying a $500+ CPU aren't going to be using the iGPU.
 
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Thanks Wizzard so much.
A question for you please and anybody else too:

I need your Cinebench R15, R20 for the 10900k completely stock. I saw cpu monkey and some other websites exaggerating the results for 10900k. Making me worried about my 10900KF. It made me bitting the bullet and got a Corsair RM850x which comes with 2 8 pin EPS12v (my previous RM750 can only use one).

Your Cinebench R23 results are exactly like mine for 10900k both single and multicore

Thanks boss
 

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I'd buy AMD over this Rocket Lake (but I've been recommending AMD since Zen 1.0).

More seriously: this Rocket Lake is an incremental upgrade over Skylake. I understand that a lot of people aren't hype for AVX512, but damn it, I am and I do care about it. Stockfish NNUE managed to come out and surprise me with a niche AVX512 application, and now I'm interested in CPU-based deep learning applications. Yeah, its weird and different compared to NVIDIA CUDA, but that's what makes technology exciting to me.

There are probably other AVX512 thingies to play with.

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Bonus points: PCIe 4.0 and 20x lanes is a big upgrade from Skylake. Honestly, AMD has been offering 20x CPU lanes since Zen 1.0, so its about damn time that Intel caught up. That's one less criticism I have of them. DMI x8 is also a substantial bonus, it is reasonable to go dual 8x GPU + 3x M.2 NVMe drives (albeit with 3.0 drives off of a higher latency DMI path, but still nice to have as a build option).

Of course, AMD Zen had all of that earlier. But its a good thing for Intel to catch up to this. I/O will likely become more and more important moving forward: NVMe SSDs are getting faster at a rate I never expected.
 
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can someone with money to burn test if this new Intel Frier works well for pancakes?
I love pancakes and all the way back to IHOP! I would however say that opinions or 'words of wisdom' between Intel and AMD will never go away. The majority of Intel followers over the years will always stick with Intel no matter what and just like the AMD crowd doing their continuing thing. Pricing will also not matter as once someone with deep pockets and who actually has an easy $600 to shell-out for a CPU, for him $100 here or there does not really matter. With more smooth marketing and future commentaries by the "influencers" to come, will then further do its bidding and as many new so-called comparative test will surely then show conflicting results to confuse us even more.
 
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What length & size were the video files used for the encoding/transcoding tests?
Is there a link to an article with more details of the tests & parameters used for these reviews?
It would be nice to see the difference between CPU-only, CPU+iGPU & CPU+dGPU for some tests eg. video encode & playpack, web browsing, 1080p medium gaming.
 
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Sometimes the mighty has to fall to rise up again and today is that day with the 11900K. Intel just hit a pavement with 11900K. I'm sure I don't have to give any more comments here about something that obvious right?
Lets hope the next Intel gen (in half a year or so) will be better. Although, seeing this, it may take longer to 'rise up'.
 
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Hmmm, could have sworn I posted this yesterday. Were some posts removed? :confused:

Just reading up on the difference between an elitist and a snob. It seems the elite are indeed members of a group that is of a higher class - as in better quality, higher intellect, wealthier, more educated and/or skilled. The elite can be objects too. For example, a Rolls Royce, Rolex watch, or a McIntosh audio amplifier would be considered elite. While a snob is a person who takes [often great] efforts to make sure everyone knows (or believes) the snob is a member of some elite group!


Not sure harassed is the right word but I have been accused of not being a computer enthusiast on several occasions for all sorts of reasons that make no sense to me. For example, because I am not a hard-core gamer, I can't be a computer enthusiast. Or because my CPU is not a "K" model. Or because I don't over-clock or because I cool with air instead of liquid. Most recently it was because I stated I'm not into RGB lighting. Never mind the fact I've been into computers since the early 70s when I literally stood inside a NORAD mainframe consisting of more than 67,000 vacuum tube diodes. Or when I started overclocking, it involved cutting motherboard traces and soldering in jumpers. But then that's when 32KB of RAM was "more than you will ever need!" Oh well.


^^^THIS^^^ Too often, it seems, if you post a different opinion or position, it is seen as a personal attack or disparagement instead of simply debating the facts or posing a different viewpoint.

Part of the problem, I believe, is forum posts don't allow readers to see the facial expressions and body language, or hear the tone-of-voice of the writer. These are critical elements of communication used all the time in face-to-face conversations that ensure the message sent is the message received. In forum posts, unless clearly stated, the message received can easily be misinterpreted. For example, unless the writer clearly states a sarcastic comment is meant as a joke with a ;) ;) or a "LOL", it could easily be misinterpreted as an affront.

Leading me to this:


RTB is right.

You are absolutely right that you are a member too, and certainly are entitled to post as such. The problem is, you are wearing the Moderator/Staff Member badge. So unless you take that badge off, or at least state that you are speaking as a member, you are representing the site, and speaking as a member of the site.

It does not matter that in your mind, you know you are speaking as a member. But we don't know that and can only go by what you say.

However, you never stated you were speaking as a member. And in fact, you specifically stated, "As a mod" you will not hesitate to "start handing out infractions left, right and centre." Therefore, it is impossible that your post should "be taken as anything other than a member post". You made it clear, it is not.

This would be like a cop giving advice to a bunch of people saying, "ignore my uniform, badge and gun", but then adds, "if you don't heed my advice, I'll arrest you". Or the general talking to the brand new 2nd lieutenant who says "ignore my rank" while displaying his stars in his face. No way is that lieutenant going to forget it is "The General" talking.

I'm on the staff at a couple other sites so I've seen and experienced both sides of the fence. If you don't want to be seen as a member of the staff, you have to take the badge off. I might suggest creating another username and posting with that. I know multiple username are generally frowned upon, but you might be surprised at how different some of the responses to your posts will be.

Again, as I said way above, your message was well said (and needed IMO). But clearly, it is a message coming from a TPU Moderator.

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can someone with money to burn test if this new Intel Frier works well for pancakes? looking for an upgrade, at 100ºC i know that water boils, but will it make my pancakes or i'll have to wait for the 11900X ?

lmao. damn, intel's bulldozer...
I even can cook the fried egg on top of this CPU...
amazing. DOA

OMG 110c, that's the temp we make juicy tender beef\pork at lmao, yeah i know it's not always at that temp but still.

All this talk about food...maybe Intel should consider going into the restaurant business and opening their own chain of diners? They could call it Rocket Lake Grill and rather than use grills/stoves to cook the food, they'd use OCed 11900K's! :D :roll::D

Also, Intel, KFC just called. They wanna use a bunch of 11900K's to start cooking their chicken :roll:
 
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