Intel Core i9-11900K

lemoncarbonate · Mar 31, 2021

night.fox said:
Temperature = Really Hot
Power consumption = Really hungry chip

Performance? ......... meh.............

Should be named Intel Bulldozer Lake FX-11900K

R-T-B · Mar 31, 2021

kapone32 said:
So it's a 9900K with PCIe 4.0 support?

No, it's worse than that, at least in gaming. IPC is better though, leading me to believe firmware issues may be limiting its potential.

W1zzard said:
+1 on that. Never seen such finicky platform from Intel, ever I think

Do you think the gaming performance deficit could be partially rooted in buggy firmware?

Why_Me said:
Plug & play ftw. No having to worry about what RAM to use.

Did you even read the review?

This resembles Ryzen 1 ram-speed wise. A little better, but not much.

metalfiber · Mar 31, 2021

R-T-B said:
No, it's worse than that, at least in gaming. IPC is better though, leading me to believe firmware issues may be limiting it's potential.

With such mixed gaming results in the reviews around the web it has to be firmware.

Deleted member 206429 · Mar 31, 2021

B-Real said:
Really? Here, you can buy RX 570 4GB for $200-215 (= at least NEAR its MSRP) which is faster than the 1650 that is available from $291. Buy it and you can sell it with small loss when mining craze ends.

So instead of spending that money on other parts of the PC build your solution is to buy an overpriced used GPU which is essentially E-waste, use it for over a year, then when GPU prices come down, you then expect your used GPU to only suffer a 'small' price drop. BTW mining is a scapegoat reason why there are GPU shortages.

beedoo said:
This is such a massive stretch - an almost retarded remark!

I have no interest in an integrated GPU, which will ultimately become a completely wasted area of silicon on my chip.

Feel free to throw some numbers out since you dont understand how money works, not everyone wants to spend hundreds of dollars just to make their CPU work during a GPU shortage.

Deleted member 190774 · Mar 31, 2021

vanishs14 said:
Feel free to throw some numbers out since you dont understand how money works, not everyone wants to spend hundreds of dollars just to make their CPU work during a GPU shortage.

You're so right, it's not like this forum - or any other 'enthusiast' forum is full of people (that make out) that need every last FPS from their games. They'll be totally on-board with an iGPU.

Deleted member 206429 · Mar 31, 2021

beedoo said:
You're so right, it's not like this forum - or any other 'enthusiast' forum is full of people (that make out) that need every last FPS from their games. They'll be totally on-board with an iGPU.

I care more about money than E-peen, its a really simple decision.

RandallFlagg · Mar 31, 2021

R-T-B said:
No, it's worse than that, at least in gaming. IPC is better though, leading me to believe firmware issues may be limiting its potential.

Do you think the gaming performance deficit could be partially rooted in buggy firmware?

That's part of it :

Houston, we have BIOS Problems: The Rocket Lake [P]review

With the promise of up to 19% increased IPC, many Intel users – including myself – were excited to see what Rocket Lake might bring. Did Intel deliver? Keep reading.

adoredtv.com

R-T-B said:
Did you even read the review?

This resembles Ryzen 1 ram-speed wise. A little better, but not much.

Memory setup is critical. Computerbase.de talks about this, but the 11900K they had maxed out a 3733 Gear 1. There was about a 4% FPS difference in games with DDR4-2933 Gear 1 vs DDR4-3200 Gear 2.

So I think a lot of these reviews are giving different results due to a lack of experience of the reviewers with the new chips, how to configure their setups for them, and BIOS version issues. Just look at that CS:GO chart. That's over a 40% difference in fps from the BIOS, they concluded that something in the BIOS was greatly affecting memory latency.

Deleted member 190774 · Mar 31, 2021

vanishs14 said:
I care more about money than E-peen, its a really simple decision.

Well at least we have something in common, in that I don't care about E-peen either. Money is not such an issue these days.

RandallFlagg · Mar 31, 2021

Here's another example of the effect of gear 1 vs gear 2 on fps :

Hossein Almet · Mar 31, 2021

What can you say, the 11900K was sold out last week here in OZ?

95Viper · Mar 31, 2021

Stay on-topic!
If needed report... do not do a retaliatory post, as, all that does is make the thread a mess.
Stop insulting other members.
Discuss the topic not each other.

Thank You and Have a Good Day

Rahmat Sofyan · Mar 31, 2021

just like a rocket, hot and power hungry ...

what a mess intel made

ValenOne · Mar 31, 2021

night.fox said:
Temperature = Really Hot
Power consumption = Really hungry chip

Performance? ......... meh.............

It has a rocket-like temperature.

Caring1 · Mar 31, 2021

Hossein Almet said:
What can you say, the 11900K was sold out last week here in OZ?

It's not even released in Australia yet is it?
I see pre orders.

Platinum certified Husky · Mar 31, 2021

OOOOOOOF. Just thinking about upgrading to 11th gen for PCIE 4.0 support, I even bought mid-high end z490 board for it.

FML¯\_(ツ)_/¯

R0H1T · Mar 31, 2021

metalfiber said:
With such mixed gaming results in the reviews around the web it has to be firmware.

Why? You do realize this is Intel's first major uarch overhaul on the desktop since 2015 (2016?) & both Ian, Steves (HBU & GN) said that the BIOS has been out for these things, in the board makers' hands, for quite a while. In fact the last patch did increase performance as evidenced at AT. It's simply a case of Intel pushing this chip to its limits, heck if it wasn't for MCE & unlocked power limits you can bet your bottom dollar that it'd be nowhere close to where it is today. Buggy firmware is a result of a (near) complete overhaul from what we've seen rehashed over & over again since Skylake!

R-T-B · Mar 31, 2021

R0H1T said:
Why? You do realize this is Intel's first major uarch overhaul on the desktop since 2015 (2016?) & both Ian, Steves (HBU & GN) said that the BIOS has been out for these things, in the board makers' hands, for quite a while. In fact the last patch did increase performance as evidenced at AT. It's simply a case of Intel pushing this chip to its limits, heck if it wasn't for MCE & unlocked power limits you can bet your bottom dollar that it'd be nowhere close to where it is today. Buggy firmware is a result of a (near) complete overhaul from what we've seen rehashed over & over again since Skylake!

I'm really not seeing anything refuting the statement you are seemingly addressing. The bottom line is it takes a few releases to fix a buggy bios at this level.

I'm fairly confident the performance deficit in gaming vs aparent IPC is firmware related too but time will show.

pandemonium · Mar 31, 2021

vanishs14 said:
Best thing about Intel CPUs is you dont need a dGPU to make them work nor only limit your selection to APUs from AMD.

If youre building a computer right now and you dont already have a GPU then there is zero value in any AMD CPU currently.

Perfectly valid reason to justify spending so much money on a CPU!

GoldenX · Mar 31, 2021

vanishs14 said:
Best thing about Intel CPUs is you dont need a dGPU to make them work nor only limit your selection to APUs from AMD.

If youre building a computer right now and you dont already have a GPU then there is zero value in any AMD CPU currently.

lol, best excuse so far.

Vya Domus · Mar 31, 2021

R-T-B said:
IPC is better though, leading me to believe firmware issues may be limiting its potential.

Only thing I can imagine to impact performance coming from the firmware is the boost algorithm but that seems to work just fine. I think Sunny Cove just wasn't that great.

R-T-B · Mar 31, 2021

Vya Domus said:
Only thing I can imagine to impact performance coming from the firmware is the boost algorithm but that seems to work just fine. I think Sunny Cove just wasn't that great.

There's a lot more than the boost algorithm at play there.

Did we already forget when Skylake lost gaming performance vs Haswell because the firmware was setting the FCLK too low?

Many things can happen there.

Hossein Almet · Mar 31, 2021

Caring1 said:
It's not even released in Australia yet is it?
I see pre orders.

Here...

Arcdar · Mar 31, 2021

thanks for this "excessive" piece of art - as always very well written and it's obvious how much work you actually put into all your reviews

(in addition to your "side tasks" and moving to the new test platform and everything

)

DonKnotts · Mar 31, 2021

B-Real said:
Really? Here, you can buy RX 570 4GB for $200-215 (= at least NEAR its MSRP) which is faster than the 1650 that is available from $291. Buy it and you can sell it with small loss when mining craze ends.

Well you're lucky.

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