Intel Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake" Beats Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX at Cinebench R23 nT

[matar]

intel back from the dead.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Still so many people not accepting this is true, wow gonna be a lot of humble pie eaten when it is, oh wait no one will eat it, they just stick their heads in the sand and hope it goes away. Me i'll be buying myself a bottle of champers

 

[Deleted member 212040]

I use Ryzen and I want Alder Lake to be great. Give AMD too much time at the top and they'll just pull a Skylake.

 

[zlobby]

intel back from the dead.

Eh, about that...

 

[Wirko]

Maybe they've hidden an extra 8 cores in this to make it seen more powerful

Maybe the only task of that Thread Director is to hide those extra cores from Windows, or at least from the Windows user.

 

[eidairaman1]

intel back from the dead.

Doubt it.

 

[Deleted member 190774]

Woopty-doo. Intel's new CPU beats the 2990WX - which was always a fairly crap processor to be fair.

 

[Aquinus]

Woopty-doo. Intel's new CPU beats the 2990WX - which was always a fairly crap processor to be fair.

Also the part where the 3970X scores around 47k on multicore Cinebench R23 with the same core and thread count and how the 2990WX was released 3 years ago. Good job, Intel... 2018 wants their processor back.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

My concern is what the thermal limits of Adler Lake will look like, and what the board designs will require. If the past 2 CPU generations are any indication, these will be hot, high-energy-consuming processors under full load. Intel of present time is really pushing the power consumption envelope, and it’s frankly out-of-hand . I won’t be too surprised if the 12900k beats what AMD currently has, but at what cost? Due to design targets, will the 12900k be as rare as hen’s teeth, like with the 10900k where the 10850k quitely launched with good supply instead? I’d be more content to see Adler Lake get close to AMD in all metrics, and bring thermals back down to reality. Are the efficiency cores are going to be a marketing smokescreen to cover up just how wasteful the performance cores will be?

 

[agentnathan009]

Except that 12900K beats 5950X in both gaming and Cinebench so far.

40% faster CPU score in Ashes and 2000 more points in Cinebench R23.

And this is 8C/16T + 8 Efficiency Cores vs 16C/32T.

AMD better wake up again. However, they lost the node advantage. AMDs good run might be over now (time to focus on value/perf again + GPU market - Nvidia sits at 83% dGPU marketshare now and Intel dGPUs are incoming, aiming for AMDs biggest segment; Low to Mid-end)

I would not be surprised if AMD has less than 10% dGPU marketshare in 2023..

Ugh, sorry to burst your bubble but an overclocked 5959X can beat the 12900K by something like 1500 points. Yes, it is overclocked, but that highlights how little Intel pulled ahead in Cinebench. By the time they finally get the 12900K out AMD will be releasing better performing chips and beat them all over again. Where are you getting this elusive 2000 point lead for for Cinebench? Are you pulling these facts out of thin air?

Ashes is a synthetic benchmark that has little real world meaning, it gives you some idea of a CPU's capability, but not absolute. By the way, CPUs are so powerful nowadays that it hardly matters which one you pick, it can tell a video game who its daddy is! Oh, and a 3990X can play Crysis without a GPU, that is way more impressive anyway.

AMD has woken up, Zen is them waking up and finally kicking Intel out of their 2-3% performance increases per CPU generation. Zen took them from being light years behind in performance to exceeding Intel in performance in 4 years time, that is mighty impressive.

AMD hasn't lost any node advantages. You got sources for this misinformation? AMD is the leader in performance, and they are charging prices that reflect that, Intel could do well to spend some time in the value segment. Um, AMD APUs can probably kick Intel's low to mid range cards anyway, when Intel finally releases such cards. AMD may not have a lot of dGPU market share, but they are fighting two silicone giants, the fact that they are doing as well as they have been is amazing! Their server chips are in high demand, because they are far better and have lower TCO than Intel server chips. Intel has gotten their butt kicked so hard in the HEDT space that AMD's boot is sticking out of Intel's mouth.

 

[Nephilim666]

My 24-core 3960X with custom PPT of 200W (stock is 280W) running at 3.7GHz all core beats the 32-core 2990WX in R23.
I imagine this 12900K is drawing more than my Threadripper.

 

[freeagent]

That Intel score is about 6K better than my 5900X, pretty decent

freeagent`s Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate score: 24421 cb with a Ryzen 9 5900X

The Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4750.3MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate benchmark. freeagentranks #195 worldwide and #50 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

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[lesovers]

Be nice to see all of the text in the CPU-Z screen shots and the orange Cinebench R23 score could be any processor even an AMD one, why is this hidden.
Also the 5950X can easily score over 31000 at under 4.7GHz all core.

 

[b1k3rdude]

So as with all unsubstantiated reports of this type, that spread around the net with unverfiable facts/links. An as yet unreleased latest gen Intel chip beating a previous gen (albeit much higher core count) AMD chip. This smacks of the old intel switch and bait, of choosing benchmarks & scenarios that make their products looks good.

 

[Melvis]

Except that 12900K beats 5950X in Cinebench so far.

No it doesnt

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and id bet that the 12900K is OC to 5.3

also

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[las]

No it doesn't

Yeah it does, stock 5950X is 28K - 12900K scores 30K, OC or not, still impressive as this is a 8C/16T chip with 8 effciency cores on the side.

Ugh, sorry to burst your bubble but an overclocked 5959X can beat the 12900K by something like 1500 points. Yes, it is overclocked, but that highlights how little Intel pulled ahead in Cinebench. By the time they finally get the 12900K out AMD will be releasing better performing chips and beat them all over again. Where are you getting this elusive 2000 point lead for for Cinebench? Are you pulling these facts out of thin air?

Ashes is a synthetic benchmark that has little real world meaning, it gives you some idea of a CPU's capability, but not absolute. By the way, CPUs are so powerful nowadays that it hardly matters which one you pick, it can tell a video game who its daddy is! Oh, and a 3990X can play Crysis without a GPU, that is way more impressive anyway.

AMD has woken up, Zen is them waking up and finally kicking Intel out of their 2-3% performance increases per CPU generation. Zen took them from being light years behind in performance to exceeding Intel in performance in 4 years time, that is mighty impressive.

AMD hasn't lost any node advantages. You got sources for this misinformation? AMD is the leader in performance, and they are charging prices that reflect that, Intel could do well to spend some time in the value segment. Um, AMD APUs can probably kick Intel's low to mid range cards anyway, when Intel finally releases such cards. AMD may not have a lot of dGPU market share, but they are fighting two silicone giants, the fact that they are doing as well as they have been is amazing! Their server chips are in high demand, because they are far better and have lower TCO than Intel server chips. Intel has gotten their butt kicked so hard in the HEDT space that AMD's boot is sticking out of Intel's mouth.

You are in full denial mode I see
Yep, AMD used to fight 14nm, not the case anymore.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Yeah it does, stock 5950X is 28K - 12900K scores 30K, OC or not, still impressive as this is a 8C/16T chip with 8 effciency cores on the side.

I mean you cant really compare and then ignore if something is OC'd or not......because that is a defining feature of the performance/identity.
If the 12900k runs "only" 5ghz out of the box and with that "only" scores 27k, then it does not beat it.

But overall that is not really the point, like you said, this is 8 cores + 8 small cores, being similair in performance to a processor with 16 big cores and it seeming will cost 100 bucks less so yeah, still a SEEMINGLY good product....if the power consumption isnt through the roof that is


"You are in full denial mode I see"

I mean...on what? because the claim of OC'd 5950X's beating this score is just true, just go to the cinebench website and you see a loooong list of them with higher scores, about 4.6ghz and up against this 5.3ghz Intel chip.
Again, not bashing the intel chip here (I said before that I might actually be in the market for it for an upgrade finally) but idk why you say they are in denial.
You can also find a 2990WX "oc'd" to 4.1 ghz with a score of 37000....which is comfortably ahead of this chip.
But you also see another at the same speed-ish "only' doing 29000....maybe Cinebench is a fun, easy to understand benchmark that is not really that great an indicator of performance?

 

[las]

I mean you cant really compare and then ignore if something is OC'd or not......because that is a defining feature of the performance/identity.
If the 12900k runs "only" 5ghz out of the box and with that "only" scores 27k, then it does not beat it.

But overall that is not really the point, like you said, this is 8 cores + 8 small cores, being similair in performance to a processor with 16 big cores and it seeming will cost 100 bucks less so yeah, still a SEEMINGLY good product....if the power consumption isnt through the roof that is


"You are in full denial mode I see"

I mean...on what? because the claim of OC'd 5950X's beating this score is just true, just got the cinebench website and you see a loooong list of them with higher scores, about 4.6ghz and up against this 5.3ghz Intel chip.
Again, not bashing the intel chip here (again I might actually be in the market for it for an upgrade finally) but idk why you say they are in denial.
You can also fine a 2990WX "oc'd" to 4.1 ghz with a score of 37000....which is comfortably ahead of this chip.
But you also see another at the same speed-ish "only' doing 29000....maybe Cinebench is a fun, easy to understand benchmark that is not really that great an indicator of performance?

Funny, because AMD fans used to praise Cinebench as the greatest CPU bench of all time. JUST not the single thread test. They only accepted to talk about single thread numbers after 5000 series came out

If an early test of 12900K is getting 30K in Cinebench R23, then I have no doubt that it will easily get 32K in the hands of top overclockers. Anyway, does not really matter, if 8 high performance cores comes close to 16 high performance cores, thats impressive regardless. Watt usage, personally I could not care less, I look at performance only. If a CPU uses 125, 200 or 250 watt who cares, GPUs today can peak at 500+ watts both 6900XT and 3090 can almost hit 600 peak/spikes.

I could not care less about CPU power usage, since it won't be anything to worry about in gaming which is all this rig does. My 9900K at 5.2 GHz with no AVX offset runs at 100-150 watts in gaming, I need to run synthetic burn-in with AVX loads to get it to consume alot of watts. Sounds like a stupid excuse to talk about CPU watts for desktop rigs, only matters for mobile and hybrid design for mobile is going to be great anyway

And no I'm not an Intel fanboy, I have a Ryzen powered NAS + HTPC, and if I count my consoles too, I have more AMD chips in house than Intel chips, I'm simply happy about Intel FINALLY seems to deliver something truly new and good again. New CEO, left 14nm and soon dGPU's, next few years are going to be exiting.

I'm not personally interested in BUYING alder lake, I won't go DDR5 before the tech has matured (higher clocks - lower timings) anyway and I might as well go with AMD if it makes sense by then (2-3 years from now). I don't need CPU power AT ALL right now. 4 years on 9900K so far, 5.2 GHz since week 2 or so, back when I bought it, the alternative was Ryzen 2000 series. No regrets at all. This will age well, just like my 2600K @ 5 GHz did.

 

[Deleted member 190774]

My 9900K...

Why are you still running such a peasant rig? I had you marked as an enthusiast.

 

[las]

Why are you still running such a peasant rig? I had you marked as an enthusiast.

Says the guy with a 2950X?

100 Hz peasant too

 

[Deleted member 190774]

Says the guy with a 2950X?

100 Hz peasant too

There's no need to get personal

 

[ZoneDymo]

Funny, because AMD fans used to praise Cinebench as the greatest CPU bench of all time. JUST not the single thread test. They only accepted to talk about single thread numbers after 5000 series came out

If an early test of 12900K is getting 30K in Cinebench R23, then I have no doubt that it will easily get 32K in the hands of top overclockers. Anyway, does not really matter, if 8 high performance cores comes close to 16 high performance cores, thats impressive regardless. Watt usage, personally I could not care less, I look at performance only. If a CPU uses 125, 200 or 250 watt who cares, GPUs today can peak at 500+ watts both 6900XT and 3090 can almost hit 600 peak/spikes.

I could not care less about CPU power usage, since it won't be anything to worry about in gaming which is all this rig does. My 9900K at 5.2 GHz with no AVX offset runs at 100-150 watts in gaming, I need to run synthetic burn-in with AVX loads to get it to consume alot of watts. Sounds like a stupid excuse to talk about CPU watts for desktop rigs, only matters for mobile and hybrid design for mobile is going to be great anyway

And no I'm not an Intel fanboy, I have a Ryzen powered NAS + HTPC, and if I count my consoles too, I have more AMD chips in house than Intel chips, I'm simply happy about Intel FINALLY seems to deliver something truly new and good again. New CEO, left 14nm and soon dGPU's, next few years are going to be exiting.

I'm not personally interested in BUYING alder lake, I won't go DDR5 before the tech has matured (higher clocks - lower timings) anyway and I might as well go with AMD if it makes sense by then (2-3 years from now). I don't need CPU power AT ALL right now. 4 years on 9900K so far, 5.2 GHz since week 2 or so, back when I bought it, the alternative was Ryzen 2000 series. No regrets at all. This will age well, just like my 2600K @ 5 GHz did.

Well to me power consumption is a sign of progress.
I dream of a future gpu with the performance of a RTX3080 / RX6800 that only needs a single 6pin to run.

To me simply allowing more power to be consumed without destroying the chip and therefor gettting faster results is just about the weakest form of progress one can do.
So even a cpu with for example 10 cores beating a 20 core cpu while needing 3x the power to accomplish that feat is just not interesting or impressive, I would sooner describe it as desperate.

But that is just my personal opinion.

 

[Richards]

Yeah it does, stock 5950X is 28K - 12900K scores 30K, OC or not, still impressive as this is a 8C/16T chip with 8 effciency cores on the side.



You are in full denial mode I see
Yep, AMD used to fight 14nm, not the case anymore.

The faboys are scared lol

 

[KarymidoN]

Apparently it also beat the 5950x too, despite having 8 less big cores (albeit supplemented by 8 small cores).

Thats AVX512 making some difference... But thats great News, it means AMD will have to beat this or drop their prices.

 

[Nanochip]

Thats AVX512 making some difference... But thats great News, it means AMD will have to beat this or drop their prices.

Wrong. Alder lake doesn’t have avx512. While the golden cove architecture does have silicon for avx512, it is only enabled in data center: Sapphire Rapids.

According to Anandtech,
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16881/a-deep-dive-into-intels-alder-lake-microarchitectures/5

“The biggest thing that gets the cut is that Intel is losing AVX-512 support inside Alder Lake. When we say losing support, we mean that the AVX-512 is going to be physically fused off.”