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The Intel Core Ultra 5 245K is the company's most affordable Arrow Lake release today. While its 6+8 core config without Hyper-Threading might make it appear weak at first, it actually punches well above its weight, especially in applications. Unfortunately gaming isn't working so well.

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cool, 7600x performance for a higher price. Sign me up/s
 
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@W1zzard could you post the OC measurements, i.e. consumption, temperatures and performance? Thanks.
 

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I didn't upgrade for much better prices than the current ones and I waited more than a year for this generation to finally see this disaster. Little gain in efficiency, loss of performance and price increase. Total disappointment. I give up on Intel.
 
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I'm really concerned about the longevity of this chip considering it has 6 P cores without hyper threading...
E cores sure help but once games need to put intensive workloads on them I worry about the performance.
 
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I'm really concerned about the longevity of this chip considering it has 6 P cores without hyper threading...
E cores sure help but once games need to put intensive workloads on them I worry about the performance.
the E cores make up for the lack of HT. It's the intensive workload on the P cores which seems to be an issue.

On a side note, I've never seen a CPU do so well on Cinebench single and multi and so poorly in gaming as these Ultra CPUs. The two are not a direct correlation but usually if you do really well in Cinebench single and multi (as opposed to one or the other), you have much better gaming results and these Ultra CPU are top of the charts in Cinebench in both tests but pure mediocre in gaming.
 

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My god, what a disaster.
Vendors magically forget we don't travel back in time to buy old gen products at MSRP, we use current prices, and this is a huge downgrade with a price increase on top, just to twist the knife.

It was hard to imagine AMD flopping hard after Raptor Gate, then Zen5% happened, and now we got this underperforming, unfinished fiasco. And somehow Intel forgot to test 24H2 too!
 
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I didn't upgrade for much better prices than the current ones and I waited more than a year for this generation to finally see this disaster. Little gain in efficiency, loss of performance and price increase. Total disappointment. I give up on Intel.
Generally if I get the upgrade itch I just do it with whatever is out there, never seen the value in waiting for a new generation release, plus value tends to be better end of gen's anyway.
 
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I'm really concerned about the longevity of this chip considering it has 6 P cores without hyper threading...
E cores sure help but once games need to put intensive workloads on them I worry about the performance.
Whenever I have tested HT on/off for games, at best it doesnt regress the performance. There is a fair few posts in recent years with people discovering disabling HT improves gaming experience.

I think if its a very heavy game that has lots of threads (most games dont exceed threads) then I think the scheduling is going to be important, ideally the scheduler needs to put foreground applications on p-cores which isnt that hard, but the hard bit is what happens when the threads exceed the amount of p-cores, a poor scheduler would then overload the p-cores instead of overflowing to idle e-cores. If it does the latter it should easily out perform a legacy 6/12 chip, assuming no other regressions like ipc, memory latency etc, these new chips I think have memory latency regressions.

Sadly I think the Windows CPU scheduler leaves a lot to be desired. Probably Intel and AMD need to work with Microsoft more to make sure its up to par before releasing hardware.
 
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Generally if I get the upgrade itch I just do it with whatever is out there, never seen the value in waiting for a new generation release, plus value tends to be better end of gen's anyway.
I understand. That's the ideal. But unfortunately in my country, the final price of the hardware is several times higher than the reference price. So, it's not easy to upgrade. Also I was waiting for the high consumption and high temperature issues of generations 13 and 14 to be fixed. I see that I wasted time. I think I'll buy a 14th gen if it shows up for a good price.
 
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Seems like owning a 12100F still counts as being an AMD fanboy when Intel releases the worst product since rocket lake.

I understand. That's the ideal. But unfortunately in my country, the final price of the hardware is several times higher than the reference price. So, it's not easy to upgrade. Also I was waiting for the high consumption and high temperature issues of generations 13 and 14 to be fixed. I see that I wasted time. I think I'll buy a 14th gen if it shows up for a good price.
First world country users forget most of the world has higher prices on top of the already terrible USA MSRP pricing. 2024 has been the worst year to purchase hardware in 3rd world countries like mine, to the point you can call owning an AM4 motherboard and investment by now.
 
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Well I didnt check your country, but I assume inflated prices would be even worst on a new gen product. Maybe I am wrong on that.
 
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the E cores make up for the lack of HT. It's the intensive workload on the P cores which seems to be an issue.
But wasn't the point of HT to get the best out of the core resources in terms of thread workload/scheduling....
E cores can't make up for bad pipeline prediction misses, or cores waiting whilst another part of the instruction pipeline is busy on the P core.

As I mentioned in the ultra 9 thread, we'd need to see a clock frequency locked single Vs multi thread using only P cores test to see how good the ST:MT ratio is Vs equivalent number of P core Raptor Lake with and without HT enabled, to see if Intel achieved their aims.
Of course HT was a double edged sword - people seem to forget that even now there are some things that might still work a bit better without it enabled.



Also, is nobody commenting on the fact that essentially the baseline iGPU performance on Intel CPUs is now on parity with the AMD 8500G iGPU?

For most iGPU users, the existing Xe UHD / Ryzen iGPU was more than enough and probably will be, but Intel have pushed the baseline for themselves much further forward. OEMs / SIs will be happy in that sense - they can now claim 'gaming' capability without having to spend the pittance on a GT1030 or equivalent crap.
 
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got my 7600 for 180€ and 245k is 379€ , its crazy.
 
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