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Intel Debuts its 3D XPoint Technology with Optane DC P4800X Datacenter SSD

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Today, Intel unveiled the Intel Optane SSD DC P4800X Series and Intel Optane SSD DC P4800X Series with Intel Memory Drive Technology, enabling new possibilities to transform storage and memory architectures for the data center. Deployed as blazing fast storage or caching tier, Intel Optane SSD DC P4800X breaks the confines of traditional storage to significantly increase scale per server and accelerate applications. When deployed as extended memory, this drive expands the system memory pool, creating bigger, more cost-effective memory to gain higher quality insights.

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Sorry, but this is pure Intel PR BS. Can we find somewhere some true technical explanation for this, and if is really worth it?
 
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A few more details here http://www.anandtech.com/show/11208/intel-introduces-optane-ssd-dc-p4800x-with-3d-xpoint-memory

Still not much real information and it's going to cost a small fortune. Over $1500 for the 375GB drive...
still not many uses, it's not revolutionary, it's not at all what Intel Hyped it to be.

It IS a lot faster in random 4k writes which is it's only "selling point"
3x faster in random read, ~same in seq. read\write but 10x faster in random write.

Not what gamers want for sure as we do mostly read, but database servers could make use of it.
 
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No the performance is the Tender on the ryzen hype train...... :)

But it is the first model, so maybe they can fine tune it, but.... I stopped expecting any grate improvements after skylake and RX400 series, so lets look at NVidia and hope they can keep up actually getting more that 5-10% performance increase from year to year.
 
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I stopped expecting any grate improvements
Most people have stopped expected grate improvements since not much can be improved on current designs... Although I wish they could come up with a knuckle friendly design...

Sorry, couldn't help myself... :p
 
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No the performance is the Tender on the ryzen hype train...... :)

But it is the first model, so maybe they can fine tune it, but.... I stopped expecting any grate improvements after skylake and RX400 series, so lets look at NVidia and hope they can keep up actually getting more that 5-10% performance increase from year to year.

Ryzen is a superb product, it's hype is misplaced, but it's efficiency is astounding and AMD Didn't hype it that much apart from launch, but it does EVERYTHING it was advertised to do.
Users hype it, Intel have hyped Optane and also said it only works on kaby ++ and people have refrained from buying Ryzen for the sole reason to see what optane is.
Now they can buy ryzen, have multicore performance for less.

In no way does Ryzen show any fighting power against a 7700K in Games :) nor Will it's 6 and 4 cores..

Edit: specify in games vs 7700K.
 
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still not many uses, it's not revolutionary, it's not at all what Intel Hyped it to be.

It IS a lot faster in random 4k writes which is it's only "selling point"
3x faster in random read, ~same in seq. read\write but 10x faster in random write.

Not what gamers want for sure as we do mostly read, but database servers could make use of it.
Technology point of view it's revolutionary. It's not flash you know.

Performance vise I would wait independent review site to get hand of it, before saying anything about performance. But I can agree on intel over hyping marketing BS could lead a little disappointment on performance side of things. But technology is new, controller might not be up to task yet to take all the performance what is possible. Pcie I/O might not be fast enough, NVDIMMs mosti probably will. etc.
 
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$4 per GB. Good luck with that.
 

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Some say, intel are still grating till this day,..
 
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Grate improvements... Oy. If you can't spell great, you won't notice much going on around you...
 
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This will force more people to look towards NVME aka Samsung 960 m.2 due to cost and performance alone.
 
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Technology point of view it's revolutionary. It's not flash you know.

Performance vise I would wait independent review site to get hand of it, before saying anything about performance. But I can agree on intel over hyping marketing BS could lead a little disappointment on performance side of things. But technology is new, controller might not be up to task yet to take all the performance what is possible. Pcie I/O might not be fast enough, NVDIMMs mosti probably will. etc.
Hardly, just take a look at what Intel promised (in slides) some 1.5 years back & what they delivered. They've also not revealed sequential transfer speeds for some reason, looks like they might be holding a few key points close(r) to their chest, so it could be 3DXP's achilles heel.
 
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Grate improvements... Oy. If you can't spell great, you won't notice much going on around you...
I notice that you are an idiot.... so I guess I'm not totally lost...

Yes Ryzen is a fine cpu no doubt in that, especially the price.... :)
 
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Hardly, just take a look at what Intel promised (in slides) some 1.5 years back & what they delivered. They've also not revealed sequential transfer speeds for some reason, looks like they might be holding a few key points close(r) to their chest, so it could be 3DXP's achilles heel.
Could care a less what intel/mircon said or promised. It's not nand flash it's something else so it's not evolutionary it's revolutionary. What matters to me is science behind the technology and this 3d xpoint is something new(well maybe it's just PCM memory, but that's not the point really). If it's not working like intended, I'm fine with that too: lessons learned now back to drawing board and make it better next time.
 
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I notice that you are an idiot.... so I guess I'm not totally lost...

Yes Ryzen is a fine cpu no doubt in that, especially the price.... :)
How did Ryzen come into this?
 
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I think the 3D-Xpoint is very embarrassed for now. It is only used between DRAM and NAND SSD. Now Everspin had released 2G SSD with ST-MRAM product that can directly replace DRAM in system. If we went to have DRAM performance and nonvolatile feature, we could directly use the ST-MRAM to replace DRAM. I am not sure why we need to do carry coals to newcastle?
So I don't find a beautiful picture for 3D-Xpoint.
 
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Could care a less what intel/mircon said or promised. It's not nand flash it's something else so it's not evolutionary it's revolutionary. What matters to me is science behind the technology and this 3d xpoint is something new(well maybe it's just PCM memory, but that's not the point really). If it's not working like intended, I'm fine with that too: lessons learned now back to drawing board and make it better next time.
Just because it's something different doesn't make it revolutionary, if it can't replace the SSD at the low end or the DRAM at the top end then it has no business in 99% of consumer or workstation platforms. It'll then be relegated to a niche, like enterprise or certain HPC, that simply can't get enough of 3D MLC NAND to meet their storage/speed needs.
 
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Yeah, still is brought up rather randomly and with no relation to the thread.
Or #6 depending on where you read the comments...
 
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Who knew this "idiot" was right?!!!! "Grate" actually does explain it all gents!! Its like the "42" for the grammatically challenged...the answer to everything (oh and idiot)! :p

......and............ I digress on the OT.