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Intel graphics. They have come far. Where are they going?

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by james888, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. scoutingwraith

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    I dont know what to expect but i think intel has been keeping a bare minimum of sort with the tech for todays needs of people. As it stands right now AMD has a really nice solution with their own APU and it seems it is doing well.
     
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    Do you know this from experience? and the biggest problem with saying a game is laggy is there's no one specifying at what settings. source games that i've tested, L4D+TF2+CS:GO, all run as i said at med-hi settings. playable imo for anyone desperate to game but not have the money for a dedicated card. Everyone on here lives for tech and gaming, but for an avg joe that simply buys, installs, and runs a game its fine. I know plenty of gamer buddies that just press play and start a game. We hold game expectations to a higher standard and particularities.
    I didn't test any other games bc i got my GTX 560.

    I'm not saying that intel's integrated is a gaming solution, but if someone wants to game just to game and have fun, not being concerned with greatest graphics and just wants to get in the zone then intel HD will work at some resolution. For a desperate gamer that's acceptable
    Did you test your HD 3000 at 1080p? as i notice that's your monitor's resolution. Did you do any testing? and in what games?
     
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    I use my I5 Laptop for gaming, and it runs every game i've thrown at it on at least low, not too great, but good enough to get by.

    They're not perfect, but compared to integrateds a few gens ago they are perfectly workable
     
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    Yes i do, I tested HD 3000 and choppy at best in many games at 1080p
     
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    I tested the hd3000 at 1366x768 with only a handful of games. I was not testing persay but trying to play the games as at the time I was away from home and it was all I had. Minecraft at the lowest settings needed tiny view distance to not be choppy and get 30+fps. Need for speed world didn't do too bad on the lowest settings but not great. The original bioshock played at about 45fps on the lowest settings but seemed choppy. The original dues ex revolution played great. Quake III played great.
     
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    That is just amazing thing for me. I am not much interested in such kind of techniques yet but now when i start to study about these than i realize that the technology which we are using is just a small portion of information technology. You can judge it from the chart given.
    graphic designing melbourne
     
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    Intel has something AMD and NVIDIA don't: access to superior fab processes. Intel will use that advantage (of being one or two fab process generations more advanced) to drop in more execution units, and attempt to beat them in entry-level performance.
     
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    I can see Intel managing to become a menace in the mobile space when they get their 14nm process refined, I mean when the industry will be way behind in lithography they will probably dominate :/
     
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    i like the idea behind this thread, but as an avid starcraft II player i feel the need to point out that the game is almost exclusively CPU bound, and not GPU bound at low settings.

    this kinda messes with the one and only example/graph in the first post.


    Overall i see intel competing in the mobile/laptop market, but never really entering into the high end GPU segment.
     
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    I can put a better graph there. Which one would you suggest?
     
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    multiple :)

    try and go for different genres and engines.

    DX9 and DX11, FPS and RTS. vary it up.
     
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    Intel has clearly already demonstrated they could with the Gen7 architecture. All they would need to do is add more sub-slices.

    The thing is, Intel has never really cared for graphics and if they get involved in discreet graphics solutions, they're going to have to get into the driver business as well as deal with software developers more closely (especially games). I doubt they want to. Intel has gotten away so far with developers programming for Intel GPUs rather than Intel developing for software.

    Monetarily, it doesn't make much sense anyway. Intel GMA/HD/Iris already has the largest market share for GPUs. The market for discreet cards is small by comparison and there is a lot of competition.

    Intel was interested in Xeon Phi because of the chance that it could perhaps find more buyers of supplemental processor. The driver challenges killed that idea but Xeon Phi still has a market in super computing with a very distinct advantage: x86. x86 isn't an advantage in the GPU world.

    My money is Intel stays away from discreet GPUs. They could, however, offer on-die GPUs that rival mid-range discreet GPUs in the future though (kind of already do with Iris Pro). I don't think they'll ever compete with high-end discreet GPUs simply because of the power/heat issues.
     
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    I was trying to keep it short and sweet. At that point I might as well just post the whole review or the link, and I already have the link there.

    I think that was well said. I do wonder what intel could produce if they actually put a decent amount of time and money into making gpu's.


    On a side note, its been 6 months and finally this thread is getting to where I wanted it too.
     
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    the thing that bothers me about Intel graphics is that they stupidly put the best iGPUs on CPU that most dont use or disable. IMO they should be putting some of the better GFX on mainstream i5's and keep those GPUs off of enthusiast chips.
     
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    Iris Pro in an i3 would be killer. We'll see what happens I guess.
     
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    The problem with that is i3 with Iris Pro would probably run for i7 with HD 2500 prices. Most people would take the i7 because the people selling the computers have already had i7 > i3 drilled into their heads.

    Remember, price is all about real estate. GPUs cost a lot of real estate, especially good GPUs.
     
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    THIS^

    Putting the Iris GPU on an i3 or i5 in a laptop would be great. It would give AMD some much needed competition.

    I think Intel could do a great thing in the laptop market if they increase their GPU performance and improve on drivers. They already have a superior CPU so bringing a comparable GPU to the table should keep AMD on it's heels.

    Intel has been doing MUCH better these past few years, their GPU performance has increased, latest DirectX support and driver improvements. They recognize AMD's APU as real competition.
     
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    Don't deny intel's maddd progress.

    I found this interesting to watch
    GMA 4500 vs HD 3000 vs HD 4000

    And to further show intels progress, look at these graphs
    GMA 4500, HD 1000, HD 3000
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    HD 4000, HD 4600
    [​IMG]

    Here's a comparison of intel's newest HD 5200.
    5200:100%
    4600:77.43%
    4000:46.82%
    Intel Iris Pro 5200, HD 4600, HD 4000

    I went through all the graphics tests;totaled, got avgs, to get results of relative performance like W1z does in his.
    Screenshot of work
    [​IMG]

    As you can see in a matter of 3 years(clarkdale), Intel has increased their performance roughly 4-5x over. other words 500%. That's some serious progress imo. And if you notice intel is beating Amd's APU now. only the A10-5800k, but the 6800k has the same gpu just 44mhz faster. which doesn't amount to much difference
    6800k Review 1
    6800k Review 2
     
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    Intel may be beating amd in some tests but I question how much of that is cpu related.
     
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    +1
    The market is headed to mobile as I can perceive.
    IMO SoC are the future specially due to the mobile trend besides they are exponentially increasing its capacities and can do gaming fairly well at lower settings, dedicated cards will die or become a niche if it isn't yet, and with the new Xbox One, Wii U and PS4, higher end gaming could be moved to consoles. Integration is the key. Math coprocessor, HD controllers, memory controller, northbridge... all fused to the CPU or chipset, GPUs are the next.
     
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    Can it play Crysis 4?
     
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    Can YOUR PC 'play' Crysis 4?. :rolleyes:
     
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    The problem as i see it with Intel is they do not dedicate as large of die space as AMD for on die GPU
     
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    They don't need to when they're pushing much higher clocks. I think Iris Pro 5200 clocks in at 1.3 GHz. Don't forget Intel has a large fabrication advantage.
     
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    Now I'm using Intel HD 3000 on my i7-2600k bcs I have a problem with GPU.
    And it's nice graphic! Of course... I can't play in Assassin's Creed 3 but I can still watch my desktop or play Minecraft - even 50fps! Awesome!
     

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