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2.05V on Input and 1.5V vCore killed chips, for the least.

Ran 1.8V vCore, chip is fine, and 2.4V V-Input.



Kursah had a bunk OC chip, used the tuning plan to get a better one. Tuning plan is good to RMA working but poor clocking chips for normal users, and is great safety insurance for those that run LN2. We are talking about just $25 per chip, which is worth paying to have someone pack up a new chip and mail it my way, IMHO.

Since my 3770 is not the greatest (vid 1.26) I'd buy the plan, run the chip at 4.8 1.45v and then fry it, get another, is that what you mean? (I know non haswell derail here)
 
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A few days later, some overtime put in, and now I have time to play again.

@Kursah and @Vario, I reset the cmos etc. It was defaulting to 1600 cl9. I almost think it was a vga problem, which has in the past shown up as a dram problem codes for me. I am rebuilding my water loop, taken from my 2500k, to install tonight. Tomorrow I should have some results on what the problem was, and hopefully some overclocking results. My aim is 4.5ghz, and I would like higher.
 

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Since my 3770 is not the greatest (vid 1.26) I'd buy the plan, run the chip at 4.8 1.45v and then fry it, get another, is that what you mean? (I know non haswell derail here)

Yep pretty much, it's your one free pass on having a K series chip, overclocking it, damaging it or it failing from whatever and getting it RMA'd. Will they know? Probably. There's not much one can get away with anymore...but intially it would come down to how honest you choose to be as well.

It goes with the 3-year warranty and is well worth the $25. Now if you delid, well that's a physical modification and is obviously going to void any warranty. But if you don't delid, and OC the snot out of it (they even have coverage for the 3770k's still since they sell them new still), and it fails while you have this coverage, get online, initiate an RMA and get a replacement going in short time. Intel RMA is very good, turnaround is faster than I expected or experienced years ago (though even then the service was good...I had an E8600 that said it was running at 100C at stock speeds with a Xig S1283 on it.).

James keep us posted man! Update your system specs too! :D

1600 cl9 is a pretty standard default, my 2133 memory did that too. Try with and without XMP, for some people stability is found one way or the other. I found better stability without XMP but setting xmp main settings (though subtimings stuck to what the board wanted).
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Tuning plan is good to RMA working but poor clocking chips for normal users
I mean use it if you can, but, that is not what the plan is for. It explicitly states on the front page of it, "...if it FAILS..." not, if its a bad overclocker turn it in. :wtf:

In other words, if it fails under normal usage, we will replace it under the standard warranty; if it fails while running outside of intel's specifications, we will replace it under the Performance Tuning Protection Plan.

http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/
 

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I mean use it if you can, but, that is not what the plan is for. It explicitly states on the front page of it, "...if it FAILS..." not, if its a bad overclocker turn it in. :wtf:



http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/

You're basing that off of not having used the service...I'm basing what's possible on having used it, and having had other members here use it. Nothing was wrong with Kursah's chip, and the whole "No Questions Asked" return ensure that it is NOT a problem to return a poor clocker. Always best to read the fine print:

The Plan only applies to issues directly related to performance tuning, and only provides for a one-time replacement for eligible processors.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Read that, means nothing at all. You are attempting to extract meaning from something that intrinsically has NONE. If you can get away with it, go for it... Just saying it is for BROKEN processors not ones that do not overclock well.

You CAN turn it in for that reason because of 'no questions asked' but its there for broken processors for overclocking, not poor overclocking processors. The "spirit" of the warranty is not for binning if you read the large or fine print.

I take it the surgery went well?
 

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for broken processors for overclocking, not poor overclocking processors

I hear ya, but these two things are one and the same for most users. poor OC = broken.

Do I agree with that?

well...


The fact of the matter is that I know how it works, or can work, for those willing to pay the fees and use the service. Haven't actually heard of anyone getting a bad chip for OC back from using the tuning plan...only for normal RMA, too.


Surgery took a bit over 7 hours, one week recovery in hospital, now home, still amny weeks of home time left. Thanks for asking! ;)
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
That is a shame if people cannot tell the difference. Oh well.


Glad to hear all is well as it can be. :)
 

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That is a shame if people cannot tell the difference. Oh well.


Honestly...I don't feel that there is any difference. I am not personally a fan of the whole silicon quality = end chip value. To me, every SB-E chip sold was a broken chip(parts disabled), as were most early X79 chipsets (again, parts disabled).

I pay the $25 for an OC warranty. To me, that means that a chip should OC as I expect, and if it doesn't, then it's broken. Getting a "second chance" at OC, for such a small cost, and having done it myself, and seen others do it, means that I am basically justified, as are other users, is saying a bad OC'er = a broken chip.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Here is where we part ways Dave... you actually said the operative words I was looking for which really proves a point.

that means that a chip should OC as I expect
That right there is the crux of it all. Intel, regardless of this warranty, only guarantees the CPU to work at the speeds you buy it at. Purchasing this extra plan does NOT mean that your CPU will overclock more nor does it give one the right to return it specifically because it is a poor overclocker for that reason only. What a consumer expects is, more often than not, an unrealistic expectation. In this case, how could we have any real expectations when Intel only says it will work at the clocks on the box? How could anyone's chip be broken if it works at the stock clock speeds? Simple answer, its NOT broken. Surely there is disappointment when we see averages of 4.5Ghz @ 1.3v and you get 4.4Ghz at 1.35v, but, again luck of the silicon lottery, not Intel's fault, and definitely not a 'broken' processor. Not remotely broken.

I disagree and quite passionately with that assesment Dave. Intel only guarantees the CPU to work at the speeds on the box. Anything more is a 'risk' to the CPU. Intel does NOT, in any form, guarantee a clockspeed 1 MHz above what is on the box, so to call it broken, IMHO, is just plain wrong.

Again, if one wants to turn it in for that reason, be my guest, but the "spirit" of the warranty most certainly is not for binning purposes.
 

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Again, if one wants to turn it in for that reason, be my guest, but the "spirit" of the warranty most certainly is not for binning purposes.

But if they are able to take advantage of it in this way, why does it matter?
 

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I disagree and quite passionately with that assesment Dave. Intel only guarantees the CPU to work at the speeds on the box. Anything more is a 'risk' to the CPU. Intel does NOT, in any form, guarantee a clockspeed 1 MHz above what is on the box, so to call it broken, IMHO, is just plain wrong.

Meh. I get chips early, test them, and make my own assessments as to what the silicon is capable of. I base that personal opinion on a multitude of factors, and I expect each and every chip to reach those clockspeeds with relative ease.


I hear where you are coming from of course, I do realize that legally, it is exactly as you say, but I don't think that reality and legality are always the same thing.


That said, the "rules" for OC that I decide on, based on my own personal testing, do seem to apply to the general expectations anyone can have, and at the same time, I always tend to expect a bit less than what most other "reviewers" (for lack of a better label to conglomerate who I am speaking about here) expect, so I feel perfectly confident in that opinion. IT is MY opinion...and not anyone else's...I've never indicated anything I've ever posted was anything other than my opinion, unless expressly showing it to be different...

Besides, if we agree on everything, the world would end. :nutkick:

the warranty most certainly is not for binning purposes.

Of course it's not for binning purposes, but at the same time, it's just a single replacement. Is someone @ Intel binning the replacement CPUs for the Intel Tuning Plan...probably not. Do I wish there was someone doing it? YES, I do.

SInce I am basically the only person promoting the Intel Tuning Plan at this point, I have no problems shaping it into what I want it to be. :p


I mean..you can ask Kursah...he took me advice on buying the plan, RMA'd a poop OC chip, got a much better one back...so it does work as I say, at times. XD
 
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Hi all

I think I found another trick to lower vcore a little, I raised 2 voltages for 1-2 steeps and that seems to do the trick. It was mostly on random though :D

For example 4.7GHz needs at least 1.285 - 1.290V to be "stable", now im at 1.278v completely stable (started testing by ~ 1.263v).




And For me the ultimate cpu stress game benchmark has to be Resident Evil5 and LostPlanet2 both at lower reso 720p.

Resident evil5 >> variable test
with jobthread 7 (in cfg) @ dx9 720p no aa ,

LostPlanet2 >> especially fixed test
with jobthread 8 (in cfg) @ dx11 no aa, 720p, dx11 fx - low


speaking of temperature, I was stupid enough to change my default pre-applied paste and now it seems worse at ~ 65-75C area (2-4C).. I have Noctua NT -H1 paste and Im seriously thinking about Thermaltake TG-1, my 2nd choice would be Tuniq-TX3 but i cant find it anywhere..
Any other recommendations?


EDIT: now i saw this thermal paste review, and here its shows NT-H1 paste as 2nd best. hmmm
http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=71658

This is my 2nd mount atm;
1st I've put too much (almost pea size)
2nd in a small line - rice size

I will try 3rd time, like they say 3rd time's the charm :D
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
But if they are able to take advantage of it in this way, why does it matter?
It doesn't really, it is just not meant to do that in the way that Dave said judging from the verbiage on their page.

I wonder if you actually submit to them, 'poor overclocker but still works at stock' would they honor the warranty. I guess no questions asked is no questions asked but again, the spirit of the warranty is not for binning chips. It is for replacement of not functioning chips from overclocking.

You (both) have to understand where I am coming from... I am not one to take advantage of loopholes and things of the like. When I break a chip from overclocking, if I do not have that warranty, I do not try to RMA it. I broke it. I took the risk and broke it so I ate the cost. It is just how I was brought up, to do the 'right' thing. Now, if you are honest and say, its a bad overclocker and they return it, then as I said, more power to you. But, as it is written that is seemingly against the spirit of the warranty and is not something I would personally partake in without being upfront and saying, "bad overclocker, still works, looking for a better binned CPU".

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It doesn't really, it is just not meant to do that in the way that Dave said judging from the verbiage on their page.

I wonder if you actually submit to them, 'poor overclocker but still works at stock' would they honor the warranty. I guess no questions asked is no questions asked but again, the spirit of the warranty is not for binning chips. It is for replacement of not functioning chips from overclocking.

Of course. At the same time, how often do we hear about degradation from OC for normal users?
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Not sure where you are going with that question...but a degraded CPU is not the same as one that, out of the box, does not meet the users "expectations" of overclocking. A degraded CPU is one I would return as it clearly fits within the parameters of the Intel Performance warranty. :)
 
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Turns out I had a dram and gpu problem. My impact did not like my 7870 tahiti gpu. One of my gskill trident sticks come up as no memory installed code #55. I have my patriot 2000mhz kit installed now with no problems. I am going to test that trident kit on another system later.

I am sad to find out my apogee drive II is barely compatible with the asus impact. It pushes on the first memory stick a bit.

A harddrive started clicking so I have had to try to back up the data on it, about 100gb worth. What a day.
 
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Turns out I had a dram and gpu problem. My impact did not like my 7870 tahiti gpu. One of my gskill trident sticks come up as no memory installed code #55. I have my patriot 2000mhz kit installed now with no problems. I am going to test that trident kit on another system later.

I am sad to find out my apogee drive II is barely compatible with the asus impact. It pushes on the first memory stick a bit.

A harddrive started clicking so I have had to try to back up the data on it, about 100gb worth. What a day.

By all indications, is the 4770k still golden?
 
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By all indications, is the 4770k still golden?

Golden is a strong word. I honestly am just as I am typing this on my laptop, beginning to overclock.

4.2ghz achieved. Working on 4.4.
 
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how much do you need for 4.4ghz atm?

I would call it above average if it can do 4.5Ghz below 1.20v, golden if it does 4.6Ghz below 1.18v. :D
 
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how much do you need for 4.4ghz atm?

I would call it above average if it can do 4.5Ghz below 1.20v, golden if it does 4.6Ghz below 1.18v. :D

Definitely not golden. I 4.2ghz is completely stable and 4.3ghz is 99% stable. Looking at the table in the OP and in Dave's guide, my 1.04v at stock seemed good. I mentioned that to Vario and that is where he got the golden from.

I am not a great overclocker so it could be higher. I am going to try one more thing here and then post some bios shots to see if you guys can help me get this thing higher.

Temps are not a concern. At 4.3ghz I am getting 55-60c temps.
 
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From what I saw by mine ~ 1.27-1.30v is the limit for good temps. atm OC 4.7Ghz @ 1.278v (adaptive voltage)


So as long as you're below 1.30v you should be fine :)
 
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My overclocking method is pretty rudimentary. I take basic voltages and other such values from a guide, thanks Dave, and input them to start. Then I set the multiplier to my desired overclock goal, which was 4.4ghz. If that fails I decrease the multi till stable. I then bump up the vcore a reasonable amount, 1.3v vcore is the value I set. I then increase the multi till not stable. I then drop down to the last stable multi. I then fine tune the voltages as best I can from there.

I have my bios screenshots below. You will see I have 4.3ghz at 1.3v. The vcore on that may very well be able to be decreased because I have not done any fine tuning yet. I was stable at 4.2ghz 1.265v but I had not fine tuned that either.


My temperatures are staying at about 55c at these settings. I have plenty of thermal headroom. I am pretty confident I could hit 4.4ghz with higher voltages. I feel this is about as far as I can go on my own. I was playing some ns2 not too long ago at 4.3ghz. The performance was better than my 2500k at 4.5ghz and ran cooler too.

On a side note. I love asus mem ok.
 
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USA
System Name Computer of Theseus
Processor Intel i9-12900KS: 50x Pcore multi @ 1.18Vcore (target 1.275V -100mv offset)
Motherboard EVGA Z690 Classified
Cooling Noctua NH-D15S, 2xThermalRight TY-143, 4xNoctua NF-A12x25,3xNF-A12x15, 2xAquacomputer Splitty9Active
Memory G-Skill Trident Z5 (32GB) DDR5-6000 C36 F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5RK
Video Card(s) EVGA Geforce 3060 XC Black Gaming 12GB
Storage 1x Samsung 970 Pro 512GB NVMe (OS), 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB (data 1 and 2), ASUS BW-16D1HT
Display(s) Dell S3220DGF 32" 2560x1440 165Hz Primary, Dell P2017H 19.5" 1600x900 Secondary, Ergotron LX arms.
Case Lian Li O11 Air Mini
Audio Device(s) Audiotechnica ATR2100X-USB, El Gato Wave XLR Mic Preamp, ATH M50X Headphones, Behringer 302USB Mixer
Power Supply Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000W 80+ Platinum White
Mouse Zowie EC3-C
Keyboard Vortex Multix 87 Winter TKL (Gateron G Pro Yellow)
Software Win 10 LTSC 21H2
I am wondering why you can't a higher clock with such low voltage and low temperatures... other than memory
 
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