Intel in Talks to Build Another Chip Plant in Israel by 2012

[FordGT90Concept]

Again, process, clockspeed, and transistors all balance out to get approximately the same exponential growth of performance.

Atom doesn't exactly strive for computing performance--it's performance is measured by power draw. Atom is the exception, not the norm.


Moore's law may, or may not, apply to future classes of processors (like photon). That remains to be seen.


I look at it from the perspective the Pentium III back in 1999-2001. Could I have predicted the existence of Core 2 Quad back then within a tight margin of error? Yes, because of Moore's law. Was it likely? No, because Intel abandoned the P6 architecture for Netburst. The division in Israel revived the P6 architecture for mobile chips because, by comparison, Netburst has high power and thermal design requirements not suitable for a mobile platform. P6 then evolved along the same lines it started out on from Pentium Pro to Pentium III. Pentium M, Core, and Core 2 are therefore, in my eyes, not extraordinary. Anyone working on P6 would eventually reach similar conclusions. The only reason why it was impressive at release is because AMD and Intel were both stuck with old platforms for about two years.

 

[Deleted member 3]

Could I have predicted the existence of Core 2 Quad back then within a tight margin of error?

How so? How would you know what SSE4, SSSE4, x86-64 would be? How would you know they'd go for dual cores and then quad? All you could predict with Moore's law would be that the transistor count would double every 1.5-2 years and performance most likely grows at a similar rate, which obviously is very relative to how you measure it. Just check the various benchmarking threads on this site, performance grew a lot faster according to many.

 

[dm10]

The only reason they're building another intel based company in Israel is due to them ramping up on microchips to implant in each and every one of you. You think Israel has the best intentions for the rest of the world.. if so, then you all deserve what's coming.

baa baa baa

Why do you think they're trying to sell us on putting them in our children to keep track of them. Wake the f**k up people.. how long are you gonna sit idly by and watch our western civilization\way of life go down the tubes?

Anyone interested in the TRUTH, then look here.

 

[Deleted member 3]

The only reason they're building another intel based company in Israel is due to them ramping up on microchips to implant in each and every one of you. You think Israel has the best intentions for the rest of the world.. if so, then you all deserve what's coming.

baa baa baa

Why do you think they're trying to sell us on putting them in our children to keep track of them. Wake the f**k up people.. how long are you gonna sit idly by and watch our western civilization\way of life go down the tubes?

Anyone interested in the TRUTH, then look here.

What makes you think you aren't inside the matrix already anyway?

 

[dm10]

What makes you think you aren't inside the matrix already anyway?

That's right, make it sound like it's something out of a movie. I can see you've been dumb down'd already.

Keep sleeping bud and god speed, you'll wake up in shackles soon enough.

 

[Tatty_Two]

How about creating thousand new jobs in US first rather then overseas?

Cause they have to pay US workers more, this way you get cheaper silicon

 

[Deleted member 3]

That's right, make it sound like it's something out of a movie. I can see you've been dumb down'd already.

Keep sleeping bud and god speed, you'll wake up in shackles soon enough.

I am quite the idiot yes. Though registering on a tech forum to share conspiracy theories and then having such an attitude might get your file erased from the matrix.

 

[Tatty_Two]

The only reason they're building another intel based company in Israel is due to them ramping up on microchips to implant in each and every one of you. You think Israel has the best intentions for the rest of the world.. if so, then you all deserve what's coming.

baa baa baa

Why do you think they're trying to sell us on putting them in our children to keep track of them. Wake the f**k up people.. how long are you gonna sit idly by and watch our western civilization\way of life go down the tubes?

Anyone interested in the TRUTH, then look here.

I had a GPS tracking system attached to me in Afghanistan and for obvious reasons I welcomed it, it's not about the application or technology, it's more about the reasons/purpose it's used for.

Just be careful of your TV, you never know whats behind that LCD screen lurking

 

[FordGT90Concept]

How so? How would you know what SSE4, SSSE4, x86-64 would be? How would you know they'd go for dual cores and then quad? All you could predict with Moore's law would be that the transistor count would double every 1.5-2 years and performance most likely grows at a similar rate, which obviously is very relative to how you measure it. Just check the various benchmarking threads on this site, performance grew a lot faster according to many.

Pentium III had SSE. Pentium 4 having SSE2 was also in the news so it is not difficult to anticipate SSE3 and SSE4. x86-64 going mainstream rather than IA-64 wouldn't be easy to predict. At the same time, it has a minimal impact on performance as of yet. From Pentium III, you would assume 500 million some transistors in a single core rather than 150 million in four separate cores. That is curve ball that couldn't have been easily predicted but, at the same time, multi-core is slower than a single core with an equal number of transistors. You'd still be very close on performance estimates (5.33 to 6.66 times faster than Pentium III) from scaling transistors, relative performance, and clockspeed increases.

Clockspeed is an X factor as well that would be difficult to predict. No one knew back in 2000 that clockspeeds will hit a wall around 4-6 GHz depending on architecture.


Perhaps I am over simplifying things. In any case, Core/Core 2 is nothing revolutionary; nor is Core i7. They are both evolutions of older technology that was revolutionary.

 

[Deleted member 3]

Pentium III had SSE. Pentium 4 having SSE2 was also in the news so it is not difficult to anticipate SSE3 and SSE4. x86-64 going mainstream rather than IA-64 wouldn't be easy to predict. At the same time, it has a minimal impact on performance as of yet. From Pentium III, you would assume 500 million some transistors in a single core rather than 125 million in four separate cores. That is curve ball that couldn't have been easily predicted but, at the same time, multi-core is slower than a single core with an equal number of transistors. You'd still be very close on performance estimates (5.33 to 6.66 times faster than Pentium III).

Clockspeed is an X factor as well that would be difficult to predict. No one knew back in 2000 that clockspeeds will hit a wall around 4-6 GHz depending on architecture.


Perhaps I am over simplifying things. In any case, Core/Core 2 is nothing revolutionary; nor is Core i7. They are both evolutions of older technology that was revolutionary.

The names SSE3 and SSE4 aren't hard to make up, sure. But how would you predict what they are? x86-64 wasn't around during the P3 era and both AMD and Intel were developing their 64 bit desktop architectures. It was Microsoft who screwed Intel over there, how would you predict that? Most of all, how does Moore's law help you with any of that?

Surely new architectures build upon their predecessors, it's impossible to completely change them every time. Yet, that's another thing that has nothing to do with Moore's law. In fact, nothing technical about chis do except for the production process. The ability to put more transistors on the same die, that's what it's about.

 

[MTnumb]

What has Israel produced and or invented on their own

i know a few.. discovered the Quasiperiodical Crystals. clean batterys. a way to detach hydrogen from water. the Solar hot water. the wall radar. a lot of medicine stuff i can't even name them all.Drip irrigation. the Levi plane...at the time it performed better then the F16 and at a lower cost. the disk-on-key the firewall the celphone. i guess thats enough.
a bunch of intel CPUs the sandy bridge was originally called "gesher" wich means "bridge" in hebrew. if you call that nothing i guess you are a fool. what is modern technology if not an improvement of older tech?

 

[surfsk8snow.jah]

Apparently the EU fine didn't set them back too hard if they're building another factory. There's pros and cons to it. I've always been an intel supporter, but lately, I've been getting these strange premonitions that intel is really working hard to monopolize the world's CPU market, which is never good.
As for Israel, if they give grants, in all reality it's an investment into their country, creating jobs as mentioned, not only in producing chips, but also in the construction and maintenance of the facility. I recently got laid off in the U.S., so I feel the economic crunch as much as anyone, but in reality, we're still WAY better off than the majority of countries out there. Heck, U.S. will give you free money if you get laid off. Poor blokes in the rest of the world get squat.
Anyway, just hope the factory doesn't get blown up... Israel is at the heart of some pretty intense disputes/wars...

 

[surfsk8snow.jah]

Wow, just read through this topic fully... so much off topic-ness. And what about that guy who has 2 posts total on the forums, both in this thread, both devoted to conspiracy and insult. LOL

 

[Hayder_Master]

this is cover middle east needs from intel chipsets

 

[btarunr]

Besides lower taxes and lower wages?

You answered it.

I'm happy for Israel.