Intel owners who have switched to AMD

[freeagent]

Even my 3770K fully loaded pulls a surprising amount at the wall when it’s clocked.

So.. I may have sold my X58.. the newest Ryzen is not in the cards for me right now.. what do you think of the 3600XT? It’s 20 bucks more than the 3600X, which is the same price as 3600. A 2600 is 199..

 

[EarthDog]

Even my 3770K fully loaded pulls a surprising amount at the wall when it’s clocked.

So.. I may have sold my X58.. the newest Ryzen is not in the cards for me right now.. what do you think of the 3600XT? It’s 20 bucks more than the 3600X, which is the same price as 3600. A 2600 is 199..

3600xt is a solid choice. Its a bit faster than the 3600 and for $20, whu not.

The base core design has been that way across the product stack for years bill. They don't make different core architectures for different pricepoints, they simply downclock or disable this or that. It's
all the same uarch. But they sometimes (rarely) reuse last gen in the current product stack as a budget product. Either way my point applies.



IPC is used as a standard for this for a reason.

I looked at that post (have to click to see it ) in response to mine and see typical carrying on after... It isnt even worth a reply man. Dude just... yeah. Got better things to do than split hairs with that character, lol.

I've never enabled any OC'ing including PBO ;-) The CPU cost me too much to play any "Void my warranty" games.

AFAIK, PBO doesn't void your warranty. For Intel, you can pay for an additional warranty that covers overclocking.

 

[freeagent]

I was reading that AMD CPUs can still be pulled from the socket when removing the cooler, is that true? Its happened to me in the past, got some neat pin spiral patterns after. Was most unimpressive.

 

[EarthDog]

I was reading that AMD CPUs can still be pulled from the socket when removing the cooler, is that true? Its happened to me in the past, got some neat pin spiral patterns after. Was most unimpressive.

Yes. The socket hasn't changed. Twist and pull... do it warm.

 

[freeagent]

That sucks. I did have a Brisbane a few years ago and warmed it up with some p95 and twisted the cooler off and the CPU still came with it. This puts a bit of a damper on my plans.

Im still looking at the 3600XT I might just go ahead and pull the trigger. Its still going to be better than my 3770K.

 

[EarthDog]

It shouldn't put a damper on your plans. Its not like you take off the cooler daily/weekly/monthly.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Just don't use the amd stock paste and you'll be fine that shit might as well be glue.

 

[freeagent]

Exactly. Ok! I was looking at Intel stuff, but I really am not interested in more of the same.

Ok so here is where I'm at..

2600 for 199, 2600X for 229, 2700X for 289, 3600 for 309, 3600X for 309, and 3600XT for 329. I don't really want to spend more on a CPU because I'm trying to squeeze bang for the buck..

 

[EarthDog]

Get the best you can/want to afford. Don't make it harder than it is.

 

[freeagent]

I know I'm terrible for that.

 

[frituq]

Switched from a venerable i5-4690K to a 3300X (4.2Ghz@1.04v) and the price/performance is really good, even so when I transformed my NAS to a gaming rig and I did not see any bottlenecking issue while playing 4k@60 on my TV

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I would go 3600X or 3600XT with a nice budget ish B550 board like the msi a pro..... Even at it's budget ish price I'd skip Ryzen plus and at least here in the states the better B450 board's aren't much cheaper but if you can get a b450 mortar max or Tomahawk max for substantially cheaper go for it.

 

[freeagent]

Thanks man, I appreciate it. I’m going to go with the XT I think. After tax it’s 375 so a little more than I want to spend but I like the clocks and don’t really need more than 6 cores.

 

[R-T-B]

It isnt even worth a reply man. Dude just... yeah.

Call me a glutton for punishment but I don't use ignore.

 

[Frick]

Call me a glutton for punishment but I don't use ignore.

It's the only way to live man.

 

[R-T-B]

It's the only way to live man.

Sometimes it feels like brushing with a steel fiber toothbrush, but agreed.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Hi, just curious how you like the AM4 platform? Is it as smooth as running an Intel? Any quirks? Regrets? Would you do anything different?

I am running a Z77 system and would like to move into something newer. Years ago I told myself I would have to try AMD again when they are beating Intel again. Looks like the day is here. The last time I ran AMD it was a little quirky.. Performance was excellent, but stability.. eh.. not so much. In these crazy days my money is limited, and I don't want to waste it on a system I may end up regretting. My family uses my computer so the stability isn't just for my sanity. If I did end up rolling with AMD, who makes the most stable boards? I dont mind spending a few bucks if its worth it. I probably wouldn't be going with the newest that's out, but maybe something second gen-ish.

Thanks!

Still use both and no issues with either, ATM.

 

[newtekie1]

Hi, just curious how you like the AM4 platform?

I own and use both daily. the TL;DR is I prefer the Intel platform, it is definitely more refined and smother running for an enthusiast that tinkers. However the AMD platform definitely has some pros. The NVMe port directly attached to the CPU, thanks to the extra 4 PCI-E lanes from the CPU, is nice.

Is it as smooth as running an Intel? Any quirks?

It definitely isn't as smooth running as Intel. Yes, it has quirks. Overclocking on Intel is better implemented, to the point that I just don't overclock my AM4 platform. Not that it really matters, the AMD all core overclocks are usually below the max turbo of the processor anyway, and for most people just leaving them at stock often results in better performance.

Then there is the whole RAID and SATA driver shit. AMD's storage drivers is just totally jacked up. If you never plan to use RAID with the AMD platform, you'll be fine. But if you do decide to try to put things in RAID mode, it turns into a nightmare. For example, switching the SATA ports to RAID doesn't automatically put the M.2 NVMe ports in RAID mode. Then when you install the SATA RAID drivers, your NVMe ports outright break until you go into a totally different area of the BIOS to enabled NVMe RAID. Oh, and then you find out that putting the platform in RAID mode breaks TRIM support on SSDs! Intel has had TRIM with RAID enabled for years now, AMD still hasn't figured it out. So then you try to switch things back, so you install the standard non-RAID drivers and switch everything in the BIOS back to non-RAID and your NVMe ports once again don't show up at all in Windows. How fun!

Would you do anything different?

Yeah, forget about trying to use the AMD platform for any type of RAID.

Honestly, I've always had both running side by side. The Intel platform is old, it hasn't really changed much since Skylake, they've just been refining it for the past 5 years. They drivers are solid and there aren't really that many quirks. That said, the AMD platform is good too. It has a few quirks, but most won't be noticed unless you tinker. If you just want to build a computer and use it the AMD platform is just fine.

 

[freeagent]

Thanks man! I know.. I have a 10600K in my cart.. I’m a little disgusted with myself but it’s not the first and probably won’t be the last time

My wife is rolling her eyes and saying just buy it.. it’s just a little more than the XT I was looking at..

 

[Bluecarz77]

ive had intel all my life, 2600k, 6600k, 6700k, 7700k, 8700k, and have run 3 ryzen cpus in the last 3 years and in my experience the intel ones are fool proof right out of the box. they always just work, throw it in, overclock it a full ghz, little extra voltage and bam just works. and they are beasts when at 5.1ghz, 1.3 volts and idling at 27c, max temp while gaming 57c on a 120 rad, ive had issues with all my ryzen cpus spike at 1.495 volts out of the box and running at 45c in the bios at an idle with the same cooler. no matter what anyone tells you, it doesn't need that much voltage when opening the my pc desktop icon. i have my 3700x set at 1.2V at 4.2 ghz and ran tests on it all night, no crashes and idling 15c cooler. if you need a reliable setup that still performs decent, intel. if you want lots of cores and are somewhat bios savy, amd is just fine. i really like my 3700x and msi gaming plus motherboard. i just had to set cpu setting properly.

Thanks man! I know.. I have a 10600K in my cart.. I’m a little disgusted with myself but it’s not the first and probably won’t be the last time

My wife is rolling her eyes and saying just buy it.. it’s just a little more than the XT I was looking at..

hey man intel is awesome. dont let any amd fanboy tell you they suck. They always work with no issues. or at least for me

 

[seth1911]

My experience with AMD is really bad with Ryzen,
i had the chance to get a 3300X for 95$ but it didnt boot up cause the CPU or the Mainboard had some Problems with the RAM (GSkill Value RAM),
took another RAM again 3 days to wait, again it didnt boot (HyperX 3200 2x 8GB).

Now i have a I3 10100F and works pretty well with the GSkill Value RAM


AMD isnt bad since ryzen, its just junk.
In my HTPC its working a A10 6800K so dont be mad AMD fanboys, but since ryzen they are junk, with many cores.

 

[Naito]

I went from an Intel system with an i7 3770 paired with an Asrock Z77 Extreme4 to an AMD 3600X with an Asrock Phantom Gaming 4. Only issue I has was XMP didn't seem stable so I dialed in my own timings and clocks. Haven't had any problem with it since. Very reliable system. A BIOS update may have fixed it, but I haven't bothered going back and trying. Looking at getting a 5800X soon.

 

[xman2007]

My experience with AMD is really bad with Ryzen,
i had the chance to get a 3300X for 95$ but it didnt boot up cause the CPU or the Mainboard had some Problems with the RAM (GSkill Value RAM),
took another RAM again 3 days to wait, again it didnt boot (HyperX 3200 2x 8GB).

Now i have a I3 10100F and works pretty well with the GSkill Value RAM


AMD isnt bad since ryzen, its just junk.
In my HTPC its working a A10 6800K so dont be mad AMD fanboys, but since ryzen they are junk, with many cores.

I think you're talking out of your proverbial backside mate, it didn't boot with 2 sets of RAM?? I call major BS even if the RAM was the worst of the worst it would boot up at standard jedec speeds at the very least! not too mention you had 2 separate RAM kits not boot up on the same system, either the CPU or board was faulty, just the fact you couldn't even figure that out for yourself speaks volumes, but hey, life is all peachy now that you have your glorious Intel system

BTW I have had a Ryzen system from the very first month they were released back in 2017 with a 1600 and b350 board, ran mixed sticks of old ddr4 2800 dual/single rank on even the earliest AGESA bios and have always managed to run at the rated speed or at very least jedec spec when the board/CPU didn't like the RAM speed or timings, but have NEVER failed to boot with any RAM let alone 2 kits, I think your inexperience/biased fanboyism for Intel *yea we can see your other posts.... ) is clouding your judgement

 

[8BitZ80]

I think you're talking out of your proverbial backside mate, it didn't boot with 2 sets of RAM?? I call major BS even if the RAM was the worst of the worst it would boot up at standard jedec speeds at the very least! not too mention you had 2 separate RAM kits not boot up on the same system, either the CPU or board was faulty, just the fact you couldn't even figure that out for yourself speaks volumes, but hey, life is all peachy now that you have your glorious Intel system

BTW I have had a Ryzen system from the very first month they were released back in 2017 with a 1600 and b350 board, ran mixed sticks of old ddr4 2800 dual/single rank on even the earliest AGESA bios and have always managed to run at the rated speed or at very least jedec spec when the board/CPU didn't like the RAM speed or timings, but have NEVER failed to boot with any RAM let alone 2 kits, I think your inexperience/biased fanboyism for Intel *yea we can see your other posts.... ) is clouding your judgement

He's never even booted into Windows with a Ryzen and says they're junk. That's like reviewing a car and saying it's crap without driving it.

Pretty much every computer out there is prone to memory issues. When I upgraded the memory on my 4670K I got a Kingston 2x8GB 1600MHz HyperX kit that spit out memory errors everywhere and I had to RMA it. Then I went to a Corsair Vengeance Pro 2x8GB 2133MHz kit and it was great. Shit happens.

 

[Bluecarz77]

He's never even booted into Windows with a Ryzen and says they're junk. That's like reviewing a car and saying it's crap without driving it.

Pretty much every computer out there is prone to memory issues. When I upgraded the memory on my 4670K I got a Kingston 2x8GB 1600MHz HyperX kit that spit out memory errors everywhere and I had to RMA it. Then I went to a Corsair Vengeance Pro 2x8GB 2133MHz kit and it was great. Shit happens.

hey there is always someone who has bad experiences with every product on the planet. i like both. there both great