Intel Pentium Gold G5600 3.9 GHz

[mahanddeem]

Hi, I have a question please. When you compare CPUs, do you use Intel stock core clock settings? i.e. for example 7700K all cores at 4.3Ghz when on full load?
What about 1080ti? boost clock during gaming tests?
Thanks

 

[Nihilus]

FTFY

If you really want proof... take a look at these differences alone it should tell you enough

https://www.techspot.com/review/1619-pentium-gold-g5400-vs-ryzen-2200g/page3.html

And when it comes to igp it gets beyond silly
https://www.techspot.com/review/1619-pentium-gold-g5400-vs-ryzen-2200g/page4.html

So, recap: there is NO workload where the Pentium is a better choice regardless of the clockspeed difference. I really didn't need these benches to tell me this... and I'm surprised you even considered otherwise to be honest.

Glad someone posted these as my net here on vacation gas been slow. Our friend also doesn't realize that these CPU test are done in a vacuum for consistency. Even basic users have a few background processes working. In the few cases where the pentium does edges out RR, the cpu utilization is maxed out to do so with the RR able to perform other simple tasks such as file transferring.

There's still this, that says there is, but ok: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Pentium_Gold_G5600/10.html
To be completely honest, I don't think that Pentium somehow flexes unknown muscle in those scenarios, but rather they don't multithread that well. All I'm saying is there's a bit of silver lining, for this otherwise sorry excuse of a chip.
Also, that "dual-core doesn't cut it for high-refresh gaming, because other processes interfere with game loading" gem, I'll remember for a while

Clearly a focus on memory latency, the slowest Intels will match the fastest AMDs in that test. A 7990xe will probably get spanked in that test too due to the similiar mesh vs ring archetecture. As for user experience, the difference between the highest and lowest is minimium.

 

[Vayra86]

To be completely honest, I don't think that Pentium somehow flexes unknown muscle in those scenarios, but rather they don't multithread that well. All I'm saying is there's a bit of silver lining, for this otherwise sorry excuse of a chip.
Also, that "dual-core doesn't cut it for high-refresh gaming, because other processes interfere with game loading" gem, I'll remember for a while

You misquoted (and still misunderstand) - game *load*. Workload. As in, you lack threads to keep low and consistent frame times. Do remember it, and give it a shot sometime, you'll see.

There's still this, that says there is, but ok: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Pentium_Gold_G5600/10.html

So you can 'browse the web' quicker than you can on a Ryzen 7. Oh wait, every bottom barrel CPU actually offers the exact same and has done so far the past.... dunno, 10~15 years? And I even dare say that for 'just a dirt cheap web browsing machine' you're better off with a 2200G. Its well worth the extra investment. Double core count and better IGP for 30 bucks. I mean... even the most basic user will have use for a decent IGP at some point.

 

[unclesharkey]

I went R3 2200G for home PC instead of G5600. It was cheaper at Microcenter, had 4 real cores and AM4 should be around longer.

MicroCenter has the G5400 listed as a quad core with 4 threads on their website. ;-P

 

[Upgrayedd]

MicroCenter has the G5400 listed as a quad core with 4 threads on their website. ;-P

Yeah, I almost bought it because of that. I thought "when did Intel sneak a 4 core Pentium?"

 

[AlwaysHope]

I'm surprised at the limited instructions sets compared with decade old LGA775 cpus. Even AMD's FX line had significantly more from it's 2011 tech > http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series FX-4100.html
If they are aiming this at the budget builds, then they presume end users won't be using a wide variety of modern apps.

 

[W1zzard]

then they presume end users won't be using a wide variety of modern apps.

Which applications are that?

 

[Ravenmaster]

I hope this means they're going to stop making Atom and Celeron CPU's and replace them with these Pentium Gold ones.

 

[jabbadap]

I hope this means they're going to stop making Atom and Celeron CPU's and replace them with these Pentium Gold ones.

Nah, they have already released two core coffee lake Celerons.

 

[W1zzard]

coffee lake Celerons.

I have them all here, but they are too slow for any serious reviewing with games. Everything stutters like hell, so I'll skip testing them

 

[bug]

I have them all here, but they are too slow for any serious reviewing with games. Everything stutters like hell, so I'll skip testing them

Maybe come up with a specific test suite for low-end CPUs? Something like HTPC usage, usage as a media server, usage as a router... If you get enough of these CPUs, it may be worth it.
I imagine there are a lot of people out there who won't mind knowing which codecs a CPU (or APU) can handle, how well it can handle network traffic, how much cooling it needs and such. Things you don't usually care about when buying an i5 or better.

 

[W1zzard]

Something like HTPC usage, usage as a media server, usage as a router

Any CPU will be fine for that. I'm using a 4 generations old Celeron in my media PC and never had any issues

 

[bug]

Any CPU will be fine for that. I'm using a 4 generations old Celeron in my media PC and never had any issues

Yes, but I was thinking more about stuff like "this can handle 4k HDR video with xxx%CPU to spare", "this can/can't handle dual gigabit streams", "this can/can't handle VP9/HEVC". Or this can do the job while passively cooled, that one can't stuff like that.
(Just trying to come up with stuff that users can't easily find somewhere else - and probably failing)

 

[jabbadap]

Any CPU will be fine for that. I'm using a 4 generations old Celeron in my media PC and never had any issues

Are you using it with discrete gpu or just igpu. I would presume igpu too weak i.e. madVR and that old cleron does not have hevc/vp9 decoders.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Very poor metric @bug

The problem with the stutter/multithreading thing is that a) background processes are unpredictable and hard to monitor and b) are only a problem when there are either so many of them that the constant thread switching undermines the performance of the core (its in the order of dozens of simultaneous threads) or that a bunch of them pop up as high priority at the same time and eat a lot of CPU time, in which case any processor with a limited amount of total IPC will stutter. Not to mention that it is extremely difficult to measure the stutter itself, and specific programs can have major effects...

I still stand by that for any low performance workload you are way better off getting second hand parts because of the way better cost, both CPU and GPU.

Unfortunately this CPU is not compelling both relative to present lineups, and relative to second hand lineups.

 

[RichF]

Enthusiasts generally prefer soldered dies. Gamers don't care as long as their machines are quiet enough.

It seems to me that most enthusiasts (aside from the workstation niche) are gamers.

 

[AlwaysHope]

Which applications are that?

AMD proprietary instruction sets don't seem to be popular with devs this decade unfortunately & who the heck knows what any end user is going to run on their machines?
It would be in the interests of hardware vendors to manufacture products that have as much market appeal as possible.

In any case, the cpuz screenshot from that review does not do the chip justice if CPU world specs are anything to go by..
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium_Dual-Core/Intel-Pentium G5600.html

 

[crow1001]

Gaming is the only area where the G5600 is faster than the Ryzen 3 2200G.

lol no.

Need to get up with the times wizzard and update your review to include min FPs where these dual cores fall on their ass compared to true quads. The Pentium is not faster than the 2200G for gaming.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1619-pentium-gold-g5400-vs-ryzen-2200g/page3.html

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

It seems to me that most enthusiasts (aside from the workstation niche) are gamers.

Ends up coming to how casual/hardcore the gamers are. A lot of ppl play games 6+ hours a day for the games and don't really care at all about their hardware as long as it works.

A lot of "hardware enthusiasts" do play games but not with nearly the same level of investment.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

This is one of the rare occasions where Intel releases a CPU that is more or less DOA when it hits the market. The Ryzen 2200G ensure that, and older Celerons are a better bet than this vastly overpriced product.

 

[Enterprise24]

I have them all here, but they are too slow for any serious reviewing with games. Everything stutters like hell, so I'll skip testing them

This is so true. I had this system for fun and GTA V is still stutter like hell with 980 Ti.

Even The Sims 3 (2009) is much smoother on G4560 (stock) than this.

 

[micropage7]

I hope this means they're going to stop making Atom and Celeron CPU's and replace them with these Pentium Gold ones.

still dunno, but i think intel would put that in different position since pentium is placed for basic task and I series for higher level