• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Intel Scraps 10nm for Desktop, Brazen it Out with 14nm Skylake Till 2022?

Joined
Apr 30, 2011
Messages
2,651 (0.56/day)
Location
Greece
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W
Motherboard MSI B550 Tomahawk
Cooling ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA
Memory 2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB
Storage Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB
Display(s) AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz
Case SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK
Audio Device(s) Realtek 7.1 onboard
Power Supply Seasonic Core GC 500W
Mouse Sharkoon SHARK Force Black
Keyboard Trust GXT280
Software Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux
well, it’s highly unlikely zen 3 will release on am4, and even so, it’s not expected to be any significant uplift over zen2. So amd will at best only match intel in gaming.
Zen3 will be for AM4 for sure. And will have both IPC and clock improvements. Intel is already behind in IPC, efficiency and pricing and just a bit ahead in gaming and will get in a tougher position soon with 3950X and TR4 launching imminently. So, you were saying?
 
Joined
Sep 28, 2005
Messages
3,160 (0.47/day)
Location
Canada
System Name PCGR
Processor 12400f
Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX B660-I
Cooling Stock Intel Cooler
Memory 2x16GB DDR5 5600 Corsair
Video Card(s) Dell RTX 3080
Storage 1x 512GB Mmoment PCIe 3 NVME 1x 2TB Corsair S70
Display(s) LG 32" 1440p
Case Phanteks Evolve itx
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply 750W Cooler Master sfx
Software Windows 11
Well AM5 and DDR5 will both most likely be releasing 2021, so 2020 which is quite close frankly will be the last year for AM4 and ryzen 4000 series

Unless you have a source, you are just guessing. AM5..... Now thats funny. Let us wait for AM4 to release before we guess more, ok?
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
18,928 (2.86/day)
Location
Piteå
System Name Black MC in Tokyo
Processor Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard Asrock B450M-HDV
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston A400 240GB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Line6 UX1 + some headphones, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown
VR HMD Acer Mixed Reality Headset
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
Just rebrand 10nm+n to 7nm. She'll be fine.
 

Space Lynx

Astronaut
Joined
Oct 17, 2014
Messages
15,929 (4.59/day)
Location
Kepler-186f
Zen3 will be for AM4 for sure. And will have both IPC and clock improvements. Intel is already behind in IPC, efficiency and pricing and just a bit ahead in gaming and will get in a tougher position soon with 3950X and TR4 launching imminently. So, you were saying?

yep rumors are 10% bump IPC since it will be 7nm EUV this time. prob summer 2020 release for ryzen 4700x, which is what i am going to buy.
 
Joined
May 8, 2018
Messages
1,495 (0.69/day)
Location
London, UK
I'm very happy I went with ryzen 5 3600 and you will be too for the same reason why this article was written.
 
Joined
Aug 6, 2017
Messages
7,412 (3.03/day)
Location
Poland
System Name Purple rain
Processor 10.5 thousand 4.2G 1.1v
Motherboard Zee 490 Aorus Elite
Cooling Noctua D15S
Memory 16GB 4133 CL16-16-16-31 Viper Steel
Video Card(s) RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
Storage SU900 128,8200Pro 1TB,850 Pro 512+256+256,860 Evo 500,XPG950 480, Skyhawk 2TB
Display(s) Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG
Case P600S Silent w. Alpenfohn wing boost 3 ARGBT+ fans
Audio Device(s) K612 Pro w. FiiO E10k DAC,W830BT wireless
Power Supply Superflower Leadex Gold 850W
Mouse G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest
Keyboard HyperX Alloy SilverSpeed (w.HyperX wrist rest),Razer Deathstalker
Software Windows 10
Benchmark Scores A LOT
Zen3 will be for AM4 for sure. And will have both IPC and clock improvements. Intel is already behind in IPC, efficiency and pricing and just a bit ahead in gaming and will get in a tougher position soon with 3950X and TR4 launching imminently. So, you were saying?
ah the mythical ipc and the endless argument.who cares about ipc.
and from what I can see in the tpu review 9600k is not only faster than 3900x in games but in a whole bunch of other typically single thread heavy office tasks.other ones use multi threading at least to some extent so it's a pointless comparison.

that said,I can see ryzen 4000 deliver really good performance.with 3000 they made good improvements so hopefully they'll continue on the right track.
 
Joined
Aug 21, 2013
Messages
1,678 (0.43/day)
Relax. Ryzen 4000 will be AM4 compatible. I would rather worry about chipset compatibility. Ryzen 4000 on a B350 board? Maybe. A320 - problably not.
AM5/DDR5 will be 2021 at the earliest.

When it comes to Zen 3 then current leaks point to unified 32MB L3 for one chiplet (currently each CCD within a chiplet has it's own 16MB cache) and 3-way SMT on desktop and 4-way in servers. Supposedly also 200Mhz clock bump and 8-10% IPC uplift. So more meaningful upgrade than Zen+ was to Zen but not as major as Zen 2 was to Zen+.

Besides considering the massive AM4 install base i would not rule out the possibility of cross socket compatible Ryzen 5000 series that has both DDR4 and DDR5 capable memory controller built in.
 
Joined
Sep 15, 2007
Messages
3,944 (0.65/day)
Location
Police/Nanny State of America
Processor OCed 5800X3D
Motherboard Asucks C6H
Cooling Air
Memory 32GB
Video Card(s) OCed 6800XT
Storage NVMees
Display(s) 32" Dull curved 1440
Case Freebie glass idk
Audio Device(s) Sennheiser
Power Supply Don't even remember
From the article: "2020 could see the introduction of Xeon Scalable processors based on 10 nm "Ice Lake" microarchitecture with "Sunny Cove" CPU cores."

Aka glue quad cores together from mobile and hope they can give them away for free to hold the mass exodus to epyc.

But they will be in very limited supply, so game over man.
 
Joined
Mar 23, 2016
Messages
4,839 (1.64/day)
Processor Ryzen 9 5900X
Motherboard MSI B450 Tomahawk ATX
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition
Memory VENGEANCE LPX 2 x 16GB DDR4-3600 C18 OCed 3800
Video Card(s) XFX Speedster SWFT309 AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT CORE Gaming
Storage 970 EVO NVMe M.2 500 GB, 870 QVO 1 TB
Display(s) Samsung 28” 4K monitor
Case Phantek Eclipse P400S (PH-EC416PS)
Audio Device(s) EVGA NU Audio
Power Supply EVGA 850 BQ
Mouse SteelSeries Rival 310
Keyboard Logitech G G413 Silver
Software Windows 10 Professional 64-bit v22H2
In the mean time it would appear Intel is up to their usual tactics against the competition. Not officially confirmed yet.

134150


Guru3D said:
Intel has been reserving 3 billion dollars aside to offer 'discounts' to its customers, and there actually is a photo to back that claim. The recent official unveiling of Cascade Lake X might already the result of that program as the CPUs are selling twice as low per core compared to the chips from Intel's previous generation.

The intended effect if the 3B reservation would include price reductions that would make AMD less profitable.

 
Joined
Aug 6, 2017
Messages
7,412 (3.03/day)
Location
Poland
System Name Purple rain
Processor 10.5 thousand 4.2G 1.1v
Motherboard Zee 490 Aorus Elite
Cooling Noctua D15S
Memory 16GB 4133 CL16-16-16-31 Viper Steel
Video Card(s) RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
Storage SU900 128,8200Pro 1TB,850 Pro 512+256+256,860 Evo 500,XPG950 480, Skyhawk 2TB
Display(s) Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG
Case P600S Silent w. Alpenfohn wing boost 3 ARGBT+ fans
Audio Device(s) K612 Pro w. FiiO E10k DAC,W830BT wireless
Power Supply Superflower Leadex Gold 850W
Mouse G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest
Keyboard HyperX Alloy SilverSpeed (w.HyperX wrist rest),Razer Deathstalker
Software Windows 10
Benchmark Scores A LOT
In the mean time it would appear Intel is up to their usual tactics against the competition. Not officially confirmed yet.

View attachment 134150



cascade lake is nothing special really.
 
Joined
May 18, 2009
Messages
2,745 (0.50/day)
Location
MN
System Name Personal / HTPC
Processor Ryzen 5900x / i5-4460
Motherboard Asrock x570 Phantom Gaming 4 /ASRock Z87 Extreme4
Cooling Corsair H100i / stock HSF
Memory 32GB DDR4 3200 / 8GB DDR3 1600
Video Card(s) EVGA XC3 Ultra RTX 3080Ti / EVGA RTX 3060 XC
Storage 500GB Pro 970, 250 GB SSD, 1TB & 500GB Western Digital / 2x 4TB & 1x 8TB WD Red, 2TB SSD & 4TB SSD
Display(s) Dell - S3220DGF 32" LED Curved QHD FreeSync Monitor / 50" LCD TV
Case CoolerMaster HAF XB Evo / CM HAF XB Evo
Audio Device(s) Logitech G35 headset
Power Supply 850W SeaSonic X Series / 750W SeaSonic X Series
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Black Microsoft Natural Elite Keyboard
Software Windows 10 Pro 64 / Windows 10 Pro 64
Intel constantly changes up sockets - folks don't really complain and accept it.

AMD is on the verge of changing sockets after 2020 and folks are freaking the F out! :confused:
 
Joined
Sep 12, 2019
Messages
2 (0.00/day)
Haha, oh wow. And here I was hoping to hold out a little and get 10nm cpu from intel to upgrade for the new console gen from my 6700k. I don’t want to buy into am4 as it’s almost dead too, so it’s very curious to see how hardware releases will play out next year alongside new ps/xbox release.

Yeah you're solid with 6700K until new AM socket and DDR5 come out for the masses, and then you should make the jump. Also, what????????? Zen 3 will not be an improvement over Zen 2? Maybe if you listen to intel fanboys, but any market analyst will tell you we're expecting some 30% increase in performance, and better yet, improvement in the efficiency and latency, stop believing what intel wants you to believe, that GHz and 300+ FPS in 1080p is all that matters, cuz it's ridiculous... Ryzen is already ridiculously powerful for anything, game devs need to get their ass in gear and make games that can utilize the power...
Food for thought:
 
Last edited:
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
11,878 (2.30/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II
Processor Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H
Motherboard Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB
Video Card(s) Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060
Storage Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter
Case Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
VR HMD Oculus rift
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
Called this years ago, as expected they're jumping straight to 7nm so all those schedule table's with 10,,nm eternally just around the corner were hogwash, total balls.
2022 , wow not great news so were getting two more years of optimised skylake.
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
18,928 (2.86/day)
Location
Piteå
System Name Black MC in Tokyo
Processor Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard Asrock B450M-HDV
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston A400 240GB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Line6 UX1 + some headphones, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown
VR HMD Acer Mixed Reality Headset
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
ah the mythical ipc and the endless argument.who cares about ipc.
and from what I can see in the tpu review 9600k is not only faster than 3900x in games but in a whole bunch of other typically single thread heavy office tasks.other ones use multi threading at least to some extent so it's a pointless comparison.

that said,I can see ryzen 4000 deliver really good performance.with 3000 they made good improvements so hopefully they'll continue on the right track.

A higherIPC is the reason for your second sentence. Am I missing your point maybe?
 
Joined
Mar 23, 2005
Messages
4,061 (0.58/day)
Location
Ancient Greece, Acropolis (Time Lord)
System Name RiseZEN Gaming PC
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X @ Auto
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX Motherboard
Cooling Corsair H115i Elite Capellix AIO, 280mm Radiator, Dual RGB 140mm ML Series PWM Fans
Memory G.Skill TridentZ 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4 3200
Video Card(s) ASUS DUAL RX 6700 XT DUAL-RX6700XT-12G
Storage Corsair Force MP500 480GB M.2 & MP510 480GB M.2 - 2 x WD_BLACK 1TB SN850X NVMe 1TB
Display(s) ASUS ROG Strix 34” XG349C 180Hz 1440p + Asus ROG 27" MG278Q 144Hz WQHD 1440p
Case Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Gaming Case
Audio Device(s) SteelSeries 5Hv2 w/ Sound Blaster Z SE
Power Supply Corsair RM750x Power Supply
Mouse Razer Death-Adder + Viper 8K HZ Ambidextrous Gaming Mouse - Ergonomic Left Hand Edition
Keyboard Logitech G910 Orion Spectrum RGB Gaming Keyboard
Software Windows 11 Pro - 64-Bit Edition
Benchmark Scores I'm the Doctor, Doctor Who. The Definition of Gaming is PC Gaming...
AMD needs to capitalize on this news as much as possible.
I expect triple digit % gains in CPU market share.
 
Joined
Nov 13, 2007
Messages
10,232 (1.70/day)
Location
Austin Texas
Processor 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.6/ 5.5, 4.8Ghz Ring 200W PL1
Motherboard MSI 690-I PRO
Cooling Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans
Memory 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36
Video Card(s) RTX 4090 FE
Storage 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr
Display(s) Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED
Case SLIGER S620
Audio Device(s) Yes
Power Supply Corsair SF750
Mouse Xlite V2
Keyboard RoyalAxe
Software Windows 11
Benchmark Scores They're pretty good, nothing crazy.
AMD needs to capitalize on this news as much as possible.
I expect triple digit % gains in CPU market share.

The question is... Will Jim Keller and Meteor Lake deliver? Or will they have density/process issues again?

It will get really spicy if they push ML to 2023.
 
Joined
Mar 23, 2005
Messages
4,061 (0.58/day)
Location
Ancient Greece, Acropolis (Time Lord)
System Name RiseZEN Gaming PC
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X @ Auto
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX Motherboard
Cooling Corsair H115i Elite Capellix AIO, 280mm Radiator, Dual RGB 140mm ML Series PWM Fans
Memory G.Skill TridentZ 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4 3200
Video Card(s) ASUS DUAL RX 6700 XT DUAL-RX6700XT-12G
Storage Corsair Force MP500 480GB M.2 & MP510 480GB M.2 - 2 x WD_BLACK 1TB SN850X NVMe 1TB
Display(s) ASUS ROG Strix 34” XG349C 180Hz 1440p + Asus ROG 27" MG278Q 144Hz WQHD 1440p
Case Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Gaming Case
Audio Device(s) SteelSeries 5Hv2 w/ Sound Blaster Z SE
Power Supply Corsair RM750x Power Supply
Mouse Razer Death-Adder + Viper 8K HZ Ambidextrous Gaming Mouse - Ergonomic Left Hand Edition
Keyboard Logitech G910 Orion Spectrum RGB Gaming Keyboard
Software Windows 11 Pro - 64-Bit Edition
Benchmark Scores I'm the Doctor, Doctor Who. The Definition of Gaming is PC Gaming...
Haha, oh wow. And here I was hoping to hold out a little and get 10nm cpu from intel to upgrade for the new console gen from my 6700k. I don’t want to buy into am4 as it’s almost dead too, so it’s very curious to see how hardware releases will play out next year alongside new ps/xbox release.
Here is AMD's QUOTE:
With the launch of the AM4 platform in 2016, we at AMD made a commitment to maintain and support socket AM4 through 2020.
AMD - May 26, 2019

That said, ZEN 3 will be on Socket AM4. ZEN 4 may see Socket AM4+. But 99% of the user base that builds there own PCs usually always upgrade there CPUs and Motherboards together. To get to my point, if AMD releases a new socket, that doesn't make AM4 obsolete. Never did in the past and never will in the future, LOL


The question is... Will Jim Keller and Meteor Lake deliver? Or will they have density/process issues again?

It will get really spicy if they push ML to 2023.
I think Jim Keller will deliver but it will take 4 - 5 years from when he was hired. The question is when and like you said, density/process issues may also be a limiting factor overall.
AMD has the perfect opportunity to continue to deliver and increase its market share while Intel is struggling.
 
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
8,116 (2.28/day)
Location
SE Michigan
System Name Dumbass
Processor AMD Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF gaming B650
Cooling Artic Liquid Freezer 2 - 420mm
Memory G.Skill Sniper 32gb DDR5 6000
Video Card(s) GreenTeam 4070 ti super 16gb
Storage Samsung EVO 500gb & 1Tb, 2tb HDD, 500gb WD Black
Display(s) 1x Nixeus NX_EDG27, 2x Dell S2440L (16:9)
Case Phanteks Enthoo Primo w/8 140mm SP Fans
Audio Device(s) onboard (realtek?) - SPKRS:Logitech Z623 200w 2.1
Power Supply Corsair HX1000i
Mouse Steeseries Esports Wireless
Keyboard Corsair K100
Software windows 10 H
Benchmark Scores https://i.imgur.com/aoz3vWY.jpg?2
Just rebrand 10nm+n to 7nm. She'll be fine.
you forgot the "@INTEL" in that. ;)

Intel constantly changes up sockets - folks don't really complain and accept it.

AMD is on the verge of changing sockets after 2020 and folks are freaking the F out! :confused:
IF, and thats a big IF, its likely to be minor change to AM4+ until 2022-23.
 
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
2,141 (0.56/day)
Location
Serbia
Processor Ryzen 3600
Motherboard X570 I Aorus Pro
Cooling Deepcool AG400
Memory HyperX Fury 2 x 8GB 3200 CL16
Video Card(s) RX 470 Nitro+ 4GB
Storage SX8200 Pro 512 / NV2 512
Display(s) 24G2U
Case NR200P
Power Supply Ion SFX 650
Mouse G703
Keyboard Keychron V1 (Akko Matcha Green) / Apex m500 (gateron milky yellow)
Software W10
I doubt there will be major improvements between Zen2 and Zen3 aside from 7nm EUV... maybe some small tweaking like in the Zen>Zen+ transition.
So why would AMD release a new socket for just one year when DDR5 (and therefore AM5) is most likely slated for 2021.
It makes absolutely no sense... They'll just release X670 and a new B board on AM4 and those'll be the last AM4 parts.
I mean, they could, if they can make it compatible with Zen4 and DDR5 and Zen 3(DDR4). But what are the likes of that.
 
Joined
Nov 13, 2007
Messages
10,232 (1.70/day)
Location
Austin Texas
Processor 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.6/ 5.5, 4.8Ghz Ring 200W PL1
Motherboard MSI 690-I PRO
Cooling Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans
Memory 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36
Video Card(s) RTX 4090 FE
Storage 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr
Display(s) Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED
Case SLIGER S620
Audio Device(s) Yes
Power Supply Corsair SF750
Mouse Xlite V2
Keyboard RoyalAxe
Software Windows 11
Benchmark Scores They're pretty good, nothing crazy.
I doubt there will be major improvements between Zen2 and Zen3 aside from 7nm EUV... maybe some small tweaking like in the Zen>Zen+ transition.
So why would AMD release a new socket for just one year when DDR5 (and therefore AM5) is most likely slated for 2021.
It makes absolutely no sense... They'll just release X670 and a new B board on AM4 and those'll be the last AM4 parts.
I mean, they could, if they can make it compatible with Zen4 and DDR5 and Zen 3(DDR4). But what are the likes of that.

If they get a tiny IPC lift (7-8%) but can boost the clockspeeds then they will be on top by a decent margin. If they can lower latency even more then it will be tough for intel to keep up.
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
11,878 (2.30/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II
Processor Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H
Motherboard Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB
Video Card(s) Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060
Storage Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter
Case Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
VR HMD Oculus rift
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
ah the mythical ipc and the endless argument.who cares about ipc.
and from what I can see in the tpu review 9600k is not only faster than 3900x in games but in a whole bunch of other typically single thread heavy office tasks.other ones use multi threading at least to some extent so it's a pointless comparison.

that said,I can see ryzen 4000 deliver really good performance.with 3000 they made good improvements so hopefully they'll continue on the right track.
Everyone And you cared about IPC back in the day and all of us still do ?
I doubt there will be major improvements between Zen2 and Zen3 aside from 7nm EUV... maybe some small tweaking like in the Zen>Zen+ transition.
So why would AMD release a new socket for just one year when DDR5 (and therefore AM5) is most likely slated for 2021.
It makes absolutely no sense... They'll just release X670 and a new B board on AM4 and those'll be the last AM4 parts.
I mean, they could, if they can make it compatible with Zen4 and DDR5 and Zen 3(DDR4). But what are the likes of that.
They appear to have joined the Ccx's into a mega ccx of 8 ,I think there will be more than a few changes in their for performance and I think smt4 is at least in dark silicon on some possibly working on some.
They're both working on on die cach but Intel can not change their designs as easily as their competition, not just Amd here.
 
Joined
Mar 23, 2016
Messages
4,839 (1.64/day)
Processor Ryzen 9 5900X
Motherboard MSI B450 Tomahawk ATX
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition
Memory VENGEANCE LPX 2 x 16GB DDR4-3600 C18 OCed 3800
Video Card(s) XFX Speedster SWFT309 AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT CORE Gaming
Storage 970 EVO NVMe M.2 500 GB, 870 QVO 1 TB
Display(s) Samsung 28” 4K monitor
Case Phantek Eclipse P400S (PH-EC416PS)
Audio Device(s) EVGA NU Audio
Power Supply EVGA 850 BQ
Mouse SteelSeries Rival 310
Keyboard Logitech G G413 Silver
Software Windows 10 Professional 64-bit v22H2
If they get a tiny IPC lift (7-8%) but can boost the clockspeeds then they will be on top by a decent margin. If they can lower latency even more then it will be tough for intel to keep up.
A new rumor says Zen 3 will have a 10% IPC uplift over Zen 2, and engineering samples have a rumored frequency gain of 100-200 MHz.

 
Joined
Jun 11, 2019
Messages
7 (0.00/day)
Wow... I hope AMD doesn't take this as a signal they can let off the gas now.

Hardly. They may make a superior product for now (I have my eyes set on that tasty 3950X!), but AMD has a mountain of mind share and market share that you cannot believe they have to contend with so you won't see them slowing anytime soon. They are still very much David against Goliath and they only make a tenth of Intel's mega-revenue. We still see potentially hundreds of thousands of loyalists in IT departments across all kinds of industries (school districts, financial institutions, airlines, department stores, factories, shipping services, etc.) dotting the globe who are sticking to Intel because of tradition (It's in our blood and our rich history and it's who we are.), track record (It's battle tested in the field so why change brands now and risk more help desk calls?), and brand image and recognition (Who's AMD? Oh, are they the guys with the hot, slow processors?). You can also thank the clueless Dell, HP, and Lenovo representatives who insist on Intel when people ask for AMD for continue these trains of thought. We may get it, but most people are generally slow to change, absorbing and adapting to it. They have a ways to go--likely three to five years before they absorb a half of the market if they keep at their current clip--before they can safely let off the gas. Until then, they have to fight Intel's marketing and their own stigma.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
2,141 (0.56/day)
Location
Serbia
Processor Ryzen 3600
Motherboard X570 I Aorus Pro
Cooling Deepcool AG400
Memory HyperX Fury 2 x 8GB 3200 CL16
Video Card(s) RX 470 Nitro+ 4GB
Storage SX8200 Pro 512 / NV2 512
Display(s) 24G2U
Case NR200P
Power Supply Ion SFX 650
Mouse G703
Keyboard Keychron V1 (Akko Matcha Green) / Apex m500 (gateron milky yellow)
Software W10
A new rumor says Zen 3 will have a 10% IPC uplift over Zen 2, and engineering samples have a rumored frequency gain of 100-200 MHz.

Im guessing that's 100-200 over Zen2 engineering samples and not production parts.
 
Top