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Intel will be launching it's new 6 core Coffee lake procesors soon on the LGA 1151 socket, but the new z370 will only support the new Coffee lake CPU's, since intel wont allow it.

It seems that there is no reason for the Z370 chipset to not be able to support Kaby Lake, it seems to be only a firmware restriction. Intel wants the motherboard manufacturers to only support Intel 8th gen processors on the new Z370 chipset. I guess we will have to wait and see. But to be honest if it's only a firmware restriction it wont be long till someone will find a way around it.

Source: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/in...rt-kaby-lake-but-intel-will-not-allow-it.html
 
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But to be honest if it's only a firmware restriction it wont be long till someone will find a way around it.

Wouldn't that be just the vendors themselves who could do that ? And I am pretty sure they would prefer to do what Intel says.
 

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Sounds like AMD needs to kick Intel's ass a little bit harder. Still doing shit like this...
 
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Modded bios will open those doors back up. No big deal, carry on.
 
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I am thinking if Intel opened up, this would show that the Z370 chipset would work fine then ppl would properly start to demand to see Coffee Lake on Z170/Z270 boards.

I personally run a i7-6700k in a Z270 chipset and not even gonna bother with a i7-7700k because the "extra" features that the 7gen cpus got ain't something I would use on a daily basis anyway.
 
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Wouldn't that be just the vendors themselves who could do that ? And I am pretty sure they would prefer to do what Intel says.
Well the manufacturers will have to do as Intel says but I'm sure as Mr.Scott said some modded bios will open those doors back up since it seems not to be a physical limitation.
 
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Right , but who is willing to do that ? Many are scared shitless to update the BIOS let alone try a modded version. Since this isn't an official thing many will still be forced not to use Kaby Lake CPUs on these motherboards.
 
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Do note the cited gure3d article points out much of this is "speculation".

Do not automatically jump onto the "bash Intel" and "cheer AMD" bandwagons. Why would Intel be restricting this when it would limit their own opportunities to sell their high-profit Coffee Lake processors? If this is true and it is a business/marketing decision and not an actual technical compatibility issue, then I suspect something or someone else is behind it.

Who benefits most from this restriction? Motherboard makers, that's who! They want us to buy new motherboards every time we buy a new processor.
 
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Who benefits most from this restriction? Motherboard makers, that's who! They want us to buy new motherboards every time we buy a new processor.

Which goes hand in hand with Intel's tradition of changing sockets very often. This time around they didn't even bother to make any physicals changes to the socket but the intended purpose still remains.
 
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Now what if you own a Kaby Lake CPU with Z270 motherboard and need to do a motherboard RMA and the manufacturer tells you they only have a Z370 motherboard to replace with.....
 
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You guys act like everyone has a bunch of spare kabylake CPUs lying around just waiting to get installed in a newer gen motherboard....

 
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Which goes hand in hand with Intel's tradition of changing sockets very often.
That's still speculation. That is, there are legitimate reasons not to restrict new processors to old sockets or the same pin numbers. This is increasingly true as more features are integrated into the CPU die.
Now what if you own a Kaby Lake CPU with Z270 motherboard and need to do a motherboard RMA and the manufacturer tells you they only have a Z370 motherboard to replace with....
Obscure "what if..." and "exception-to-the-norm" scenarios like that rarely ever make any sense - especially as a point/counterpoint in a debate. The odds a motherboard maker will have 0 motherboards (new or "refurbished") when warranty periods are still in effect is totally unrealistic.
 
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That's still speculation. That is, there are legitimate reasons not to restrict new processors to old sockets or the same pin numbers. This is increasingly true as more features are integrated into the CPU die.

Speculation or not it does fit in exactly with their strategies as of late.
 

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Intel should just make it compatible, it would allow for more sales in their part, if the reason is some kind of new tech, I wonder what's that important that needed them to require a new board but STILL the same number of pins/socket. I mean, why even name it the same socket. They could have added a letter after it and be done with. not everyone can afford a new board(especially a high end) every now and then. Also, I miss the times when we can simply overclock(multipliers) without having a Z board which costs a lot.
 
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Speculation or not it does fit in exactly with their strategies as of late.
Well, "strategy" implies intention. I am not sure they "intend" to force the use of new sockets when they come out with new processor families. It is quite possible new CPUs simply necessitate more pins (and new chipsets) to accommodate the new designs and features.

I personally don't see a problem with this. Yeah, it might mean I can't use my legacy motherboard with a new CPU. But so what? It is also likely the legacy motherboard does not support the latest RAM, USB, SATA, M.2, etc. protocols either.
Intel should just make it compatible, it would allow for more sales in their part
It is not that simple to make new technologies compatible with legacy technologies without compromises.

CPUs are not like USB devices. But even there, if you connect a USB 3.1 device to a USB 2.0 port, what happens? The USB 3.1 will operate at 2.0 speeds. Is that what you want from your fancy new 3.1 device?
 
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Well, "strategy" implies intention. I am not sure they "intend" to force the use of new sockets when they come out with new processor families. It is quite possible new CPUs simply necessitate more pins (and new chipsets) to accommodate the new designs and features.

Yet they are doing it , just in the last 2 years they launched a plethora of sockets and chipsets that are supposed to coexist concurrently. They are also segmenting their line-up in very odd , confusing and unnecessary way by doing this. It gives you the impression that they are innovating and coming up with new things like crazy but in reality they're not.

I personally don't see a problem with this. Yeah, it might mean I can't use my legacy motherboard with a new CPU. But so what? It is also likely the legacy motherboard does not support the latest RAM, USB, SATA, M.2, etc. protocols either.
It is not that simple to make new technologies compatible with legacy technologies without compromises.

You are calling motherboards and chipsets that were introduced just 1 or 2 years ago "legacy" ?
 
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It is not that simple to make new technologies compatible with legacy technologies without compromises.

CPUs are not like USB devices. But even there, if you connect a USB 3.1 device to a USB 2.0 port, what happens? The USB 3.1 will operate at 2.0 speeds. Is that what you want from your fancy new 3.1 device?
I never said it's simple, did you even read all of my post? o_O I said IF the reason is some kind of new tech, then I'm curious as to what's so important that they've added to compromise compatibility with previous very similar boards. and made them arrive at a very wise decision(from a business standpoint) to require a whole new motherboard for it alone. I mean, judging from leaked details, it's not even that impressive. Just an added 2 cores/4 threads over Skylake, just to go toe to toe with Ryzen at least and gain back some of the lost multithreaded consumers. but with a lower speed(4.3GHz). Ofcourse there will be technical improvements, but does it really NEED a new mobo?

I don't even need to use analogies, I could just look at AMD. way, way, better than USB analogies, and probably one of the reasons why people are making a fuss over this. AMD can do it, why not Intel? Also, this is new, we all know intel likes to switch socket types every now and then, but they've usually changed the name or pin numbers. But now is different, again another reason why. I mean they even called it the same socket type Afaik(i dunno if they've/will add an indicator, like AM3+ vs AM3). It's very confusing. Sooner or later someone will ruin something by putting a coffeelake on a z270 board(vice versa). it's bound to happen.
 
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Yes I read your post.
AMD can do it, why not Intel?
This is the part I am having problems with. Can Intel do it? Sure. But CPU support is not just about the physical characteristics of a socket.

I don't want Intel to be just like AMD or AMD to be just like Intel. Difference is good. It gives consumers more options. And I don't see the logic in criticizing one because they not like the other. If someone does not like that different Intel CPUs require different sockets, then buy AMD. Criticizing Intel serves no purpose - especially when all the facts are not known and the criticism is based on speculation.
 

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Criticizing Intel serves no purpose - especially when all the facts are not known and the criticism is based on speculation.
uhmm why are you criticizing our criticism? When people criticize, they generally see something as not good, and want it to be noticed, to be improved upon, and for other people to take notice. There's nothing wrong with criticism, sure it may be all speculation. but if you read the linked article, it 'speculates' that
Over the past few weeks I have been talking to many motherboard manufacturers, and the story is the same. There is no reason for the Z370 chipset to not be able to support last-gen Kaby Lake, it is merely firmware restriction. Intel is enforcing the motherboard manufacturers to only support Intel 8th gen processors, thus Coffee Lake on Z370.
We are criticizing on the assumption that these 'speculations' are true(good chances that they are though). There is no need to add a "If this is true then...". I am not just hating on Intel for no apparent logic like what your saying. And what if it's not true... then it's good news.

Difference is good. that's why I like how AMD is more multithreaded now while Intel is more Singlethreaded. Why AMD is more open(unlocked CPUs, etc) and Intel is more restrictive. I'm not choosing any sides. I just think that Intel is making the wrong decisions here by doing this, and it will only hurt them in the long run, if they continue doing this, It is not very consumer friendly... Competition is good, it brings in better performance and prices for us consumers, so better if both sides stay competitive.
 

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You are calling motherboards and chipsets that were introduced just 1 or 2 years ago "legacy" ?

He could, but as they aren't EOLed yet one probably shouldn't.
 
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uhmm why are you criticizing our criticism?
You don't see the irony in that? Why are you criticizing my criticisms?

What I see is criticism based on speculation, not fact. And I see two companies making quality products differently providing more choices for us consumers.
 
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He could, but as they aren't EOLed yet one probably shouldn't.

I know it's technically correct but also ridiculous.

We went from hardware support that could last close to half a decade to just 1 year for no reason.
 
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I'm not sure a modded bios will fix this. Its purely physical. However the chipset is different. All they need to do during manufacturing is change a few pinouts or even burned firmware routine changes and the CPUs are useless.
 
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Right , but who is willing to do that ? Many are scared shitless to update the BIOS let alone try a modded version. Since this isn't an official thing many will still be forced not to use Kaby Lake CPUs on these motherboards.

You would be suprised at how many would be willing to try a BIOS mod - I certainly would give it a shot.

I'd have to speculate (Note I said "Speculate") Intel could do something similar to the difference between a Socket 771 and 775 chip, physically the same but a few of the contact points on the CPU itself could be changed. It is a new chipset and CPU model so you never know what they would do to stop it until it's done.

If it's only a BIOS issue then yes, support for the Krabby Lakes could be modded in.

Would take someone doing research on the chips as it was done to solve the differences between the 771's and 775's to confirm or debunk it being possible.
 
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Right , but who is willing to do that ? Many are scared shitless to update the BIOS let alone try a modded version. Since this isn't an official thing many will still be forced not to use Kaby Lake CPUs on these motherboards.

Prepackaged tested working mod bioses really aren't that scary, especially to enthusiast types.
 
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