Intel X6 9600KF 5.00GHz Project (take two)

[storm-chaser]

italize on those higher clock speeds everyone wants, without the heat from a static overclock to 5.0 across all six cores. Voltage is much more scalable at those lower clock speeds as well, a

Enjoy the build

This is interesting... I thought I was asleep at 7 am this morning...

 

[EarthDog]

The build looks good man...that case though...neither form, nor function!

..so, are you able to stress test that machine at 5.1 Ghz and 1.33V? I see you mentioned temps were holding but in a 2 min cpuz benchmark test... but what happens with a stress test load and a 30 min test (say prime 95 small fft or aida64 fpu only)?

Temps got into the high 160s low 170s at peak

ok.. I saw this....

Why did you list in F? You know darn well we talk in C, lol... what stress test was used?

 

[newtekie1]

Your Fractal case is pretty cool, sound dampening material and all. However, the material they (fractal designs) used to dampen is much less effective. It's much thinner, with the insulation being roughly only 1/3 of an inch, versus the Cooler Master Sileo 500, where this case has sound dampening material everywhere in sight. So in light of this information, we can see why the CoolerMaster case is superior for noise control.

The foam in the fractal is better than the foam in the CoolerMaster for sound dampening. The CoolerMaster foam is cheap foam that doesn't designed for sound control, it was design as padding and just happens to be decent(and cheap) at stopping sound. On the on the other hand the Fractal foam is actual sound dampening foam. The same stuff used in cars doors to stop road noise. It's really quite impressive stuff.

There's more than just foam. I've got 2x140mm Noctua fans in the front on my radiator and a 140mm Noctua in the back as an exhaust. The front has better intake airflow and the back has better exhaust. My PSU is bottom mounted, which allows the PSU fan to draw in fresh cool air, the PSU is semi-passive as well, so the fan doesn't even spin most of the time. The inside gives significantly better airflow as well. So the bigger fans spin much slower. Resulting in a completely silent computer.

If the CoolMaster works for you, great. I'm not trying to change your mind, just pointing out that it is going to be a hurdle.

 

[storm-chaser]

The build looks good man...that case though...neither form, nor function!

..so, are you able to stress test that machine at 5.1 Ghz and 1.33V? I see you mentioned temps were holding but in a 2 min cpuz benchmark test... but what happens with a stress test load and a 30 min test (say prime 95 small fft or aida64 fpu only)?

ok.. I saw this....

Why did you list in F? You know darn well we talk in C, lol... what stress test was used?

A compliment from earthdog… no way! lol

I have been experimenting with the case closed and the case open.

Open is obviously going to be most effective for higher overclocks. I need to create two profiles.

The first one being around 5.0-52.2 GHz for benchmarking or maximum system performance.

The second one being for a 24/7 tune with the cover on the case.

I have been experiementing with all core / per core / turbo mode overclocking on the CPU.

I am thinking we will have something like 4.8GHz all core and up to 5.0 turbo boost, but I have yet to dial that in and torture test it. This would be with the lid closed.

Currently, as I am sure most of you are aware, the 5.3GHz result was just to see how far I could push the CPU right out of the gate, to know the limits, so to speak.

As soon as I become familiar with the BIOS and voltage requirements for my RAM and CPU relative to clock speeds I will start building stability into the rig.

I have an R4 with the same stuff, it really is good. It is thin but very dense, heavy. You can make it silent. I like your build, I almost built it twice. I would have gone with a different CPU cooler though. I wont even name names.

I might join you shortly.. Still having a hard time between Intel and AMD

pros and cons..

Why thank you, freeagent

I would go intel for the latencies. If you check out the AIDA64 Benchmark thread you will see our best intel rig has roughly half the memory latency as the best ryzen rig. Not that this will make a noticeable real world difference, but hey, we all like better #s when it comes to memory latency

Yes, the CPU cooler is the weakest link in the system. I need a more aggressive fan profile because when you initially "spike" the CPU with a workload the temps can jump 30-40* in a few seconds before the fan has time to spool up. This is okay most of the time but still something I need to address.

Working on installing battlefield 4.

When I played this game on my Phenom II system, with the same MSI RX 580 8GB gaming x card, I was averaging about 60-65FPS, so yeah, we will see how well the new rig pushes it. That will be a test of my GPU as well, and since it effectively forms a dam inside my computer I think we may encounter some thermal issues. In that case I will remove the lower HDD rack and wiring to improve airflow down there. I can likely put an 80mm fan under the GPU (towards the expansion slots on case) to funnel hot air out and away from below the GPU.

So is that a no to trying out 5.3 GHz on a couple of cores? I wouldn't consider it to out of hand temperature wise for a couple of cores running at that clockspeed.

No, I just haven't tried that. But it's a good idea for sure, I will test it right now.

So is that a no to trying out 5.3 GHz on a couple of cores? I wouldn't consider it to out of hand temperature wise for a couple of cores running at that clockspeed.

So I made a few changes and ran a quick stability test with AIDA64... obviously not long enough to test for stability but it was mainly to see if temps would hold. And they did.
So my CPU configuration looks like this:

Enhanced Turbo mode
1 core = 5.3GHz
2 core = 5.3GHz
3 core = 4.8GHz
4 core = 4.8GHz
5 core = 4.8GHz
6 core = 4.8GHz

Temps in the high 160s low 170s...

 

[biffzinker]

Currently, as I am sure most of you are aware, the 5.3GHz result was just to see how far I could push the CPU right out of the gate, to know the limits, so to speak.

So is that a no to trying out 5.3 GHz on a couple of cores? I wouldn't consider it to out of hand temperature wise for a couple of cores running at that clockspeed.

 

[freeagent]

All good my man, I’m sure it’s fine! Could probably just use some more case flow. That’s sweet you can run it like that out of the box. As for latency, Newegg doesn’t have much left for lower latency stuff. Last time I looked was around Christmas and there was plenty. I guess with ddr5 coming manufacturers stopped caring? I don’t know I saw the same with ddr3. I would probably go with Intel because I dislike pins and the hassles that go with it. Thinking of 939 here. Thanks for the insight on your build! Deleted my post by accident while scrolling with my kid laying on me on the couch, he moved and the timing was right before the phone slipped out of my hand. I fumbled.

 

[biffzinker]

obviously not long enough to test for stability

If you want you could give RealBench from ASUS a run to check stability. It gives every component a good workout without tying up the system for too long. Just running through the benchmark has caught instability for me. There is a stress test option.

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[MaDhAtt3R]

Why did you list in F? You know darn well we talk in C, lol... what stress test was used?

T(°C) = (T(°F) - 32) × 5/9

so: 170f -32=138 x5= 690 /9 = 76.6c

 

[phill]

Finally, we get to see the build and the results

@storm-chaser - More importantly how are you finding the rig?? Everything working well?
Just a side note from me, I'd delete the blurry pics personally. Kinda takes away the work away your doing for the build

 

[storm-chaser]

If the CoolMaster works for you, great. I'm not trying to change your mind, just pointing out that it is going to be a hurdle.

Yeah I guess I am partial to this case because I originally bought one new back in like 2010 and ever since then it's had at least 5 different iterations of hardware / CPUs.

In this case, I have

Finally, we get to see the build and the results

@storm-chaser - More importantly how are you finding the rig?? Everything working well?
Just a side note from me, I'd delete the blurry pics personally. Kinda takes away the work away your doing for the build

I know, I need a high resolution camera, that's next on my list. Matter of fact I'm checking newegg as we speak.

Im going to have to get you guys some pictures in the BIOS. Because when I set my overclock to "per core" and set the multi, for example, like this!:

52x
52x
48x
48x
48x
48x
It doesn't stick!

The problem is, everything looks great in the BIOS when you set it up, but once you boot into windows you'll notice your per core overclock did not work. It always reverts to the lower base clock of 48x....

I just installed BF4 so we will see if the computer can handle the heat from a X6 4.8 base CPU with the first two cores throttling up to 5.2GHz, with the side of the case installed.

lol this should be interesting. Have voltage set to adaptive

Finally, we get to see the build and the results

@storm-chaser - More importantly how are you finding the rig?? Everything working well?
Just a side note from me, I'd delete the blurry pics personally. Kinda takes away the work away your doing for the build

Sorry about the pictures. You wouldn't believe how many of those I took again because they were blurry. Trust me, I did my best to keep the camera still. But its old and needs to be perfectly positioned to get a good image. Any movement whatsoever and the picture quality goes south.

I'm overjoyed with the new rig. It checks all the boxes for me. It's blisteringly quick and I've achieved my goal of a stable 5.00GHz for benching or gaming.
I am going to 4.800GHz with the side panel on. I will have updated voltages for both configurations, but I am still dialing that in. I am toying with the notion of going with this 4500MHz kit memory kit. Seeing as it has essentially the same clocking as my 4000MHz G.Skill, I suspect my latency would drop a bit if I swapped them out. Ideally, I want to get 5000MHz on the memory I just don't want to pay $1000 for memory... call me cheap! lol

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A configuration like this on here just got me through about 35 minutes of Battlefield 4 on ultra, seeing frame rates in the high 80s to low 90s... beautiful!

Temps? 55*C - 65*C (SIDE COVER REMOVED)

So now that we have the processor stabilized at 5.0GHz, I am going to work on fine tuning the memory. Here is my first OC result. Note its running at the stock speed of 4000MHz, but the timings are tightened up a bit and I bumped the voltage to 1.450... so this configuration was what I was using for BF4... seems to be holding up to the task at hand. Gosh, I love overclocking. This stuff never gets old.

I've concluded that I will build another Z390 based computer since I already have a spare, new in box, MSI TOMAHAWK Z390 mainboard sitting here that I cannot return. So this will mean two things.... I will be able to pass some existing parts off to my new build and continue to refine my original MSI setup. Cooling is handled at 5.0GHz, CPU is SET! so now I want to maximize performance on the memory side of things.

Im toying with the idea of getting this 4800MHz kit for $400, I may pull the trigger. Apparently you need a CPU with a very good IMC to take full advantage of this RAM. And in theory I should be able to run very tight timings at lower clock speeds.

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EDIT: Having fun tuning the memory now. This is running at 1.5v @ 4533MHz, going to see if I can push it any higher.

Improved result with tighter timings.... If I can get into the high 30s for memory latency I will be a happy camper....

I had to dial in the timing curve on my CPU cooler fans and that helped with stability and eliminated those pesky temp spikes when you load up the CPU for the first time.

So we have a stable configuration at 5.00GHz, mission accomplished! :thumbs up:

Now, for the most tricky part... we put the side back on the case and fine tune our BIOS profile for the added heat and poor airflow through the case (which I will be changing)...

But it's still going to be a challenge. I am aiming towards a 4.8GHz all core or a 5.0 turbo core with all the other CPUs running at 48x. Haven't made up my mind yet.

 

[eidairaman1]

I had to dial in the timing curve on my CPU cooler fans and that helped with stability and eliminated those pesky temp spikes when you load up the CPU for the first time.

So we have a stable configuration at 5.00GHz, mission accomplished! :thumbs up:

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Now, for the most tricky part... we put the side back on the case and fine tune our BIOS profile for the added heat and poor airflow through the case (which I will be changing)...

But it's still going to be a challenge. I am aiming towards a 4.8GHz all core or a 5.0 turbo core with all the other CPUs running at 48x. Haven't made up my mind yet.

Why not 5.0 all core 24/7?

 

[newtekie1]

Why not 5.0 all core 24/7?

Heat.

 

[storm-chaser]

More goodies arrived today. Now I can set up my second 23" gaming monitor. Package consisted of:

-HDMI cable (premium quality)
-Gaming mouse
-Two Noctua NF-F12 Chromax PWM 120mm fans for case ventilation.
- Asus Zenpad 8" tablet

Unrelated, but the new CPU for my laptop arrived as well. It's the fastest core i7 CPU that can go in a Lenovo T510 laptop. Base speed is 2.8GHz and turbo is 3.4. The 8GB DDR3 memory kit also arrived, so I will be starting another build thread for that shortly.

So, the computer is going down for the fan upgrades and I'll be back at you in a bit.

Now we will be able to see if I can run 5.0GHz with the side of the case closed up.

Stay tuned for results!

 

[moproblems99]

First build that I have seen that wants to come out of the closet.

Looks like it all worked out for you. If your temps were only like 65c with the case open I bet you could have run 5.0 with the case closed. Especially with enough open area around the case to let those channels vent. Who knows, maybe that case has an undocumented Venturi effect.

 

[storm-chaser]

First build that I have seen that wants to come out of the closet.

Looks like it all worked out for you. If your temps were only like 65c with the case open I bet you could have run 5.0 with the case closed. Especially with enough open area around the case to let those channels vent. Who knows, maybe that case has an undocumented Venturi effect.

lol

Unfortunately, I have to use that room because anywhere else in the house and the internet doesn't work very well. So I am getting my own hotspot eventually, but for the time being, it's working out okay. I especially like these upgraded monitors, what a thrill for gaming, going from 60 to 75hz

PS... the case is closed and I am running at 5.0GHz.. new fans are in and I am going through the process of setting the timing curves (PWM) right now. They will be slightly more aggressive to prevent tempurature spikes... I'll be back at you with a torture test @ 5.0GHz a little bit later this evening.

First build that I have seen that wants to come out of the closet.

Looks like it all worked out for you. If your temps were only like 65c with the case open I bet you could have run 5.0 with the case closed. Especially with enough open area around the case to let those channels vent. Who knows, maybe that case has an undocumented Venturi effect.

Actually, you might be on to something here partner. Because now, you have to find a reason to explain away why my rig remained stable for AIDA64 almost an entire hour at 5.0GHz, with the case closed!

LOL I can just see it now: "Mystery Venturi effect stumps the naysayers, haters left confounded and confused."

The computer builder smiles and says: "Haters gonna hate"

Case closed. Get it?

Here is what made 5.0GHz possible in a challenging environment. First I removed the lower hard drive cage and routed all wiring for the front I/O tucked and zip tied neatly down by the vertical edge of the motherboard (see pics). That removed any potential restrictions in air flow, giving the front fan a much more direct channel to pull air through the lower portion of the case.

I also cleared more of a path for the third 120mm fan (the secret weapon). This is an extra Cooler Master Hyper 212 PWM fan I had laying around... Perfect spot for it up above the 5.25" card reader. With three 120mm fans, we move enough air to keep this puppy cool. And for that, I'm a happy camper. We have not only met, but we have EXCEEDED expectations with this build. I am very happy with the hardware choices I made, and what do you know, it worked out exactly like I thought it would. Not to mention the computer is blisteringly quick. Only one system with similar hardware ranked higher than it on userbenchmark.com, I know, I know, take with a grain of salt. But I still think that's pretty damn impressive. And to do it with a sub par cooler in a sauna of a case. Well, that's just genius

No doubt the twin Noctua 120mm Chromax NF=12 PWM fans are part of the reason why. And they really accent the red and black / msi theme I was going for. Who says you cant have aesthetics, performance and a quiet running machine all at the same time? <----------------------NOT THIS GUY!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Looks really good, I love the old school vibe. I like your red and black theme. Really liking how that Meg Ace is looking those vrms should stay icy cold with that cpu even at the 1.37v you seem to need for 5ghz.

 

[storm-chaser]

Looks really good, I love the old school vibe. I like your red and black theme. Really liking how that Meg Ace is looking those vrms should stay icy cold with that cpu even at the 1.37v you seem to need for 5ghz.

Thank you.. I appreciate that. I very much dislike the way cases have gone over the past couple years, so I guess its sort of like in my own way a "protest" build of sorts. In any event, I understand I am pushing a lot of voltage through the CPU. I have passed the nearly hour long torture test with that voltage (1.370) so I've dialed it back to 1.354 and we will see if she can hold it. I've also been told the 9600KF is a little more voltage hungry than it's bigger brother, the 9900K.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Thank you.. I appreciate that. I very much dislike the way cases have gone over the past couple years, so I guess its sort of like in my own way a "protest" build of sorts. In any event, I understand I am pushing a lot of voltage through the CPU. I have passed the nearly hour long torture test with that voltage (1.370) so I've dialed it back to 1.354 and we will see if she can hold it. I've also been told the 9600KF is a little more voltage hungry than it's bigger brother, the 9900K.

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Yeah seems like its significantly more so than my 9900k @5ghz

Good thing your chip uses significantly less power though.

This load is around 200w give or take software inaccuracy on my chip.
19-20C ambient just for reference.

 

[phill]

Very glad it all turned out well Congrats on the 5.0Ghz all core boost

 

[kapone32]

Unboxing (continued)….

Posts like this are why I love the PC space. There is so much different configs you can do! That is a pretty serious cooler.

 

[moproblems99]

I especially like these upgraded monitors, what a thrill for gaming, going from 60 to 75hz

Wait till you move to 120+. I am still trying to do all the math in my head. I'll be damned if I use metric when I don't have to but damn, I need it in the PC space. Lol

I am with you on cases. I like clean lines but I don't mind the glass. Especially when you are theming stuff.

 

[EarthDog]

That is a pretty serious cooler.

Seriously expensive for what it can do...

 

[kapone32]

Seriously expensive for what it can do...

Yes but certainly looks like it can do it

 

[EarthDog]

Yes but certainly looks like it can do it

If you say so... It looks like how auto manufacturers hide their new vehicles when testing on public roads... shrouds and plastic... etc. Not my style. Not paying a premium for that cooler. even if I wanted to lock myself into brand theming . Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

 

[kapone32]

If you say so... It looks like how auto manufacturers hide their new vehicles when testing on public roads... shrouds and plastic... etc. Not my style. Not paying a premium for that cooler. even if I wanted to lock myself into brand theming . Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

Yes the styling is GT style look is there. I was more looking at all the heatpipes, but I agree the cost is restrictive as a viable option vs what else you can get.