Intel's Arc A380 Performs Even Worse With an AMD CPU

[P4-630]

And the A380 is the fastest one they make?...

 

[64K]

And the A380 is the fastest one they make?...

For now.

 

[HD64G]

Driver optimisation in games is terrible no matter what. So, to be even worse on AMD CPUs, it is normal for the company that has proven to be practicing anticonsumer practices for decades now.

 

[ModEl4]

@W1zzard hi, if i understood correctly Intel's announcement, it does not recommend pair it with AMD's SAM enabled platforms, are you gonna test it with 5800X testbed?

 

[Deleted member 185088]

The thing is nVidia and AMD are preparing their next gen GPUs, yet Intel is struggling to keep up with the worst they have to offer, I don't think they can price their GPUs low enough to competitive. Then the drivers, even AMD with the best people out there (ATI) struggled (no money), how the hell is Intel going to compete.

 

[P4-630]

The thing is nVidia and AMD are preparing their next gen GPUs, yet Intel is struggling to keep up with the worst they have to offer, I don't think they can price their GPUs low enough to competitive. Then the drivers, even AMD with the best people out there (ATI) struggled (no money), how the hell is Intel going to compete.

Soon they have their fastest Xex360 GPU.

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard hi, if i understood correctly Intel's announcement, it does not recommend pair it with AMD's SAM enabled platforms, are you gonna test it with 5800X testbed?

While I've been thinking about changing to Alder Lake, I have no concrete plans at this time. I'll definitely not change test systems just to make Intel happy. You also have to consider that these reviews are often done by regular end-users, not professional reviewers. Actually, I'm not even sure if I'll be reviewing A380 at all. Intel isn't seeding any cards for review and I haven't found anything in China that I could buy.

 

[ModEl4]

While I've been thinking about changing to Alder Lake, I have no concrete plans at this time. I'll definitely not change test systems just to make Intel happy. You also have to consider that these reviews are often done by regular end-users, not professional reviewers. Actually, I'm not even sure if I'll be reviewing A380 at all. Intel isn't seeding any cards for review and I haven't found anything in China that I could buy.

For sure, the work must be immense i would imagine!
It will take less time to test it in your classic testbed and maybe have a separate article about the difference with an "equivalent" Intel system indicating the performance differences someone can expect. (and still this would be double work)
Regarding review samples for International markets isn't going Intel to have something set-up at a later date? the way they marketed ARC doesn't seem to indicate OEM or China only but strategies can change of course.
Maybe when there is availability in USA, Europe to be better to just buy directly from a store in order to not sign a nda or whatever (what's the usual procedure, is there a possibility Intel in order to send a sample to a publication to have Intel testbed as a prerequisite?)

 

[chrcoluk]

The thing is nVidia and AMD are preparing their next gen GPUs, yet Intel is struggling to keep up with the worst they have to offer, I don't think they can price their GPUs low enough to competitive. Then the drivers, even AMD with the best people out there (ATI) struggled (no money), how the hell is Intel going to compete.

What $160 6gig GPUs do Nvidia and AMD offer?

 

[Turmeric]

that is a 150 dollar card right there, barely playable fps should not cost much.

 

[ModEl4]

The thing is nVidia and AMD are preparing their next gen GPUs, yet Intel is struggling to keep up with the worst they have to offer, I don't think they can price their GPUs low enough to competitive. Then the drivers, even AMD with the best people out there (ATI) struggled (no money), how the hell is Intel going to compete.

I remember when the usual suspects was spreading 3070Ti level of performance, then it was 3070, now 3060Ti.
But in 4-5 months from now, when Navi33 launches, even if 3060Ti at that time despite ARC's newer drivers still is 20% faster than ARC 780 (this means for ARC 780 +2% more performance in QHD vs RX6600XT, so close to reference RX6650XT) I can easily find price points that can be competitive with next gen because for AMD next gen at less than $399 means RDNA2 according to leaks and I suspect that in 4 months or whenever Navi33 launches AMD wouldn't want to sell the recently launched RX6650XT less than $299.
In this future "next gen" scenario I would find the below prices quite competitive:

ARC-4096 16GB $349
ARC-4096 8GB $299
ARC-3072 12GB $249
ARC-2048 8GB $199
ARC-1024 6GB $129
ARC-768 4GB $99
ARC-512 4GB $79

Now of course can price them higher, although I wouldn't rule out a surprise:

«The actual Chinese MSRP of the GPU is 880 Yuan but after VAT (17%) it comes out to almost 1030 Yuan»

880 Yuan can indicate $129 SRP on extremely positive scenario.

In the wccftech link above also official Intel comparison with GTX1650/ RX6400 (ARC380 frequency 2GHz to cover all the partner card options?)

 

[P4-630]

Is this all you could do in all these years Raja....

 

[Space Lynx]

billibilli is social media in the PRC...


Well, this is still the bottom of the barrel part, so hopefully the higher-end tiers will do better.

Current cards are dropping like crazy in price now. Oddly enough, an RX 6900 XT costs the same as an RX 6800 XT here...

Yeah, I saw a 6900 XT for $799 brand new the other day... I am seriously tempted to get one, just in-case the world goes to hell at least I can do some high end gaming.

 

[forman313]

Intel sandbagging the GPU when paired with AMD? Nah, they wouldn't do that...

Sarcasm, really?

Intel really doesn´t deserve all the negative publicity and accusations. I know they come off as being a little competitive, but in reality they are basically hippies devoted to equality and the environment. Besides, the government would never allow inflated prices or any form of unfair business practices. Huge corporations would never be allowed to rake in billions at the cost of hard working peoples life, health or social security.

 

[ChosenName]

Someone needs to spoof the CPUID to be genuine Intel etc rather than AMD and see if that changes anything. Then I can get my pitchfork

It has before now with code compiled with ICC....

 

[Blaeza]

Sarcasm, really?

Intel really doesn´t deserve all the negative publicity and accusations. I know they come off as being a little competitive, but in reality they are basically hippies devoted to equality and the environment. Besides, the government would never allow inflated prices or any form of unfair business practices. Huge corporations would never be allowed to rake in billions at the cost of hard working peoples life, health or social security.

What's wrong with sarcasm? And underperforming on AMD with an already underwhelming "GPU" just looked suspect as fook to me. So, yes, sarcasm.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Intel GPU perform worse on AMD CPU
AMD GPU perform worse on AMD CPU

what is wrong with these :')

GPUs in general obviously perform better with the superior CPUs, nothing new here honestly...

While I've been thinking about changing to Alder Lake, I have no concrete plans at this time. I'll definitely not change test systems just to make Intel happy. You also have to consider that these reviews are often done by regular end-users, not professional reviewers. Actually, I'm not even sure if I'll be reviewing A380 at all. Intel isn't seeding any cards for review and I haven't found anything in China that I could buy.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to at least upgrade the gpu test platform up to a 5800X3D though. While it is definitely far to expensive for regular people, that should be a good use for it.

 

[chrcoluk]

Tests were done at 1080p, its hardly a surprise it performs better on Intel cpus.

The gap will be wider on jrpg's etc. where they often single or dual threaded only.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Raja's parting shot? Seriously, this guy has morphed into Peter Molyneux. Great bombast and promises that never materialise.

These cards are going to be utter crap, as I promised 2 years ago when Raja started making claims and marketing he could never keep up with.


They are probably using some CPU optimization which is not available/disabled in the compiler when it detects AMD CPU's. IF Intel is actually motivated to do such things... I personally wouldn't rule it out.

Why would they do that and lock themselves out of a (admittedly not very large) portion of the market? It's not like this is a top of the range card that would be frequently used in cpu reviews and could therefore skew the results there in Intel's favor. Besides, Alder Lake chips are already clearly better than all Ryzens, save for the X3D, so there is literally no incentive for them to do that.
I have to somewhat agree with the other part though - Raja was never a gpu guru of any notable description and is no more of a one now and putting him in charge certainly wasn't one of Intel's best decisions lately...

Tests were done at 1080p, its hardly a surprise it performs better on Intel cpus.

The gap will be wider on jrpg's etc. where they often single or dual threaded only.

Precisely - Alder Lake is the better gaming cpu in general, but even more so in lightly threaded games, where its considerable IPC advantage really shines through.

 

[defaultluser]

Intel GPU perform worse on AMD CPU
AMD GPU perform worse on AMD CPU

what is wrong with these :')

Well, when all you're using fir this measure neglect to mention the fact that 95% of games, the difference is under 5%?

You really need to dig to find a truly CPU-limited game at 1080p like Forsa (and even then, you're barely hitting noticeable threshold!)

 

[Deleted member 185088]

I remember when the usual suspects was spreading 3070Ti level of performance, then it was 3070, now 3060Ti.
But in 4-5 months from now, when Navi33 launches, even if 3060Ti at that time despite ARC's newer drivers still is 20% faster than ARC 780 (this means for ARC 780 +2% more performance in QHD vs RX6600XT, so close to reference RX6650XT) I can easily find price points that can be competitive with next gen because for AMD next gen at less than $399 means RDNA2 according to leaks and I suspect that in 4 months or whenever Navi33 launches AMD wouldn't want to sell the recently launched RX6650XT less than $299.
In this future "next gen" scenario I would find the below prices quite competitive:

ARC-4096 16GB $349
ARC-4096 8GB $299
ARC-3072 12GB $249
ARC-2048 8GB $199
ARC-1024 6GB $129
ARC-768 4GB $99
ARC-512 4GB $79

Now of course can price them higher, although I wouldn't rule out a surprise:

«The actual Chinese MSRP of the GPU is 880 Yuan but after VAT (17%) it comes out to almost 1030 Yuan»

880 Yuan can indicate $129 SRP on extremely positive scenario.

In the wccftech link above also official Intel comparison with GTX1650/ RX6400 (ARC380 frequency 2GHz to cover all the partner card options?)

What $160 6gig GPUs do Nvidia and AMD offer?

I find two issues with this, first GPUs are coming down in price, by the launch of the new gen we could expect them fall further.
Then the drivers, when AMD bought ATI they got the best guys out there (along nVidia's) what does Intel have?
Finally, nVidia is already bribing the market (interestingly even some reviewers, Tom's hardware, now DF, but maybe these are just delusional fanboys), AMD probably is doing it as well but certainly not to to the same level, they also offer a lot of interesting technology for free (my understanding is DLSS is also free but not open source).
Damn and blast forgot about the abomination that is usersbenchmark.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Driver optimisation in games is terrible no matter what. So, to be even worse on AMD CPUs, it is normal for the company that has proven to be practicing anticonsumer practces for decades now.

Much simpler answer: intel's driver is likely single threaded, like AMD's, and just like AMD's driver this results in the hardware running better on intel's CPUs. Throw in that optimization is clearly in alpha state at best, results in a380's performance being obliterated on AMD hardware.

Not a good showing from the blue giant, all that money and all those employees, 2 years of delays, and you STILL cant get the drivers ironed out.

 

[yeeeeman]

it's not even faster than a gtx 1650. damn, how can they even launch this?

 

[chrcoluk]

Well, when all you're using fir this measure neglect to mention the fact that 95% of games, the difference is under 5%?

You really need to dig to find a truly CPU-limited game at 1080p like Forsa (and even then, you're barely hitting noticeable threshold!)

I have probably 5+ installed games in my steam library that are cpu bottlenecked. On older and small dev stuff, its quite common. Lightning returns does very agressive texture asset swapping in/out in crowded areas its crazy.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I have probably 5+ installed games in my steam library that are cpu bottlenecked. On older and small dev stuff, its quite common.

SoaSE is single thread limited, as is starcraft II. SupCom chews through both several cores and memory bandwidth, and thats just in my library.