It’s good to hear that air purifiers help, at least. I’ll be sure to wssh and vacuum my air purifier regularly then. And it definitely makes sense that some dust buildup will still occur. And I see, so lower intake fans would actually make things worse. I don’t want to deal with extra complications for sure. I’ll still use a Datavac though when I need to.Air purifiers absolutely help in keeping your gear cleaner. My home is old, built in the 50s so dust is a constant battle. As a result, I have purifiers in every room that run 24/7. Keeping the filters clean is imperative with your purifier. Whether you go with a replaceable filter or the kind you remove and hand wash or vacuum off.
Despite having them on all the time, dust build up will still occur, it's inevitable. The scale will be far lower with a purifier.
In regards to your question about adding an intake to the bottom of your case. That's going to require far more attention. PSU intakes and lower intakes always get gummed up faster than any of the other intakes on my cases If they are filtered (as they should be). Altho a quick vacuum and the exteriors are clean again but...you will find that very fine dust gets through your filters. A data vac is great for most of the easy to get to areas. Then there's the pita to clean dust. It seems to stick to everything via static, especially fan blades. This is the stuff that requires
anti-static brushes to clean off completely. You can get them anywhere. Anti-static paint brushes, makeup brushes, acid brushes etc... there are a variety to choose from.
I despise cleaning my cases. So, I never leave my rigs running, never allow pets in my office and always leave my purifier on high when I'm not in there. Other than quick filter vacs once a month, I generally only need to do deep cleanings every 6-8 months.
GL with your dust war!!!
I purchased this magnetic screwdriver kit that came with a brush: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0822FJ8YG?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
is this an antistatic brush? I already used it to clean some debris in my PCIE slot so I sure hope so lol. It has a crossed out ESD symbol which apparently is used for parts that are sensitive to static. I’m not sure what that means on a brush though since a non-crossed out ESD symbol is apparently used for antistatic items. I may have messed up here…
I always leave my rig off too when I’m not using it, so that’ll help for sure. I’ll also leave my purifier on. It’s good to hear that you only have to deep clean it 2 times a year; that is not too bad for sure, so I’ll follow those steps.
I see I see. I’ll look into the air exchange rate for this then. I’ll look into MERV8+ filters as well for that. I don’t mind if it’s noisy as long as it works. I also made sure to specifically get something that isn’t an ionize.If you want to avoid dust, you'll want to look up the Air Exchange Rate for the loosest-spec Cleanrooms.
Consumer air cleaners are roughly based off general HVAC AERs, and woefully insufficient for those with MCS/Allergies or long-term computer equipment operation (like a server room, or homelab).
For general dust reduction, you'd be better off with a couple pleated MERV8+ filters in an A-frame arrangement off the back of a box fan. Noisy, but considerably more air exchanges through the filter media than most 'air cleaners'.
They'll charge the air, and you *WILL* ESD into anything and everything at a lower potential.
It’s good to hear that works well and will greatly reduce dust buildup. I’ll vacuum regularly as well to get rid of a lot of dust too. I’ll definitely avoid ionizers as well. Thanks!That is a good unit. You will also need to remember that regular vacuuming is also essential for keeping dust out of a particular environment. Nothing is ever perfect, but simple methods will help greatly.
So I can get a used Bionaire for that much. That’s a good price for sure so I’ll look into that. It’s good to hear I can at least vacuum the filters to reuse them. I didn’t realize I can just make my own filter too, so I’ll definitely look into that. how close should my small air filter be to my PC? I don’t have enough outlet space for my filter to be right next to my PC, but it is still fairly close. I’ll measure the distance between my filter and my PC whenIt's whatever you can afford. Lets go with that first. I like to tackle the entire room and not one small area as of course you are also breathing all of that dust as well.
A used Bionaire will cost you around here $25 to $50. New ones cost a lot more. Air filter Cartridges will cost you $10 to $14 each change. But you can clean out the filter with a vacuum cleaner to make them last longer. Or you can make your own filter as well for $1-2 dollars like I do for the smaller units. You can place your smaller unit closer to your working area/ computer and get almost the same results as the larger unit.
A larger unit like my Breath Smart will cost out $400 new. Used $150 and up. Filters can be expensive but you can get generic. Filter cleaning is important and has to be done at least every 2 months as it really picks up the dust in your room/area and you just use a vacuum cleaner for it. Filters cost $50+ for generic $80+ for regular. You can make them last depending on your environment 6 months to a year. I'm in the 8 month range but as stated before I vacuum my filter as needed and that is at minimum 2 months
If you really want to get inventive, here are a lot of videos on the DIY aspect on youtube.
For the record many of these do the job of getting dust out of the air but the deciding factor is the filter itself with all air purifiers/diy
For the Record. One of my successful businesses (before retiring) was in building cleaning and maintenance. I had to know all of this information on what is to be used in HVAC systems and ratings.
Minimum Efficiency Reporting Values, or MERVs, report a filter's ability to capture larger particles between 0.3 and 10 microns (µm). This value is helpful in comparing the performance of different filters The rating is derived from a test mwww.epa.gov
There will always be tradeoffs. This information given is opinion only. It is not gospel. It is what works for me.
So in Ending. IMHO
If you do not have the money. You might want to do a Diy project.
If you have some money you can go and buy a small used air purifier.
If you have more money you buy a used large air purifer.
If you have eyeballs of money then you buy new.
Maybe I got lucky but the reason why I said used is that the ones I picked up lasted me 5 or more years before needing repairs that I can do myself. It costed me less than 1 dollar a month I spent on a Bionaire and again your mileage will vary. And yea I would do it again if I had a smaller room or a single bedroom that needed one.
My Breath Smart is virtually a glorified high volume squirrel cage fan, with electronic do dads on it and a HEPA filter, that has a skin that makes it all looks nice. But its air cleaning area is good for over 1000 sf of room and it does the job well.
But over the years 46 years to be exact of seeing and using a box fan with a filter in the back in work shop type of environments... so yea they work too.
I’ll also look into your Breathsmart as that seems to be worth it even with those expensive filters. I think I’ll go with generics though to save some money.
Those DIY filters are really cool! I’ll have to try my hand at some of them. They’ll be cheaper and maybe even work better too. I’d say I have enough money for a small used air filter, but I’ll try out those DIY filters first. It’s great that yours lasted 5 years and then even longer with repairs. I doubt that Hamilton Beach one will last anywhere near as long, so I suppose buying a better air purifier is very useful in that case.
Your BreathSmart definitely sounds amazing seeing as though it’s good for 1000 square feet and has all those DIY improvements. I’ll have to see about modifying my filters too if I don’t make DIY ones. It’s good that a filter works well enough, at least though. Thanks for all the help! I’ll report back with the distance between my purifier and PC lol.
I did hear that ionizers are dangerous to breathe in as well, but is that just overblown as well since the particles will rapidly recharge and all? I don’t smoke tbough, so I guess I don’t need it as much as a smoker lol. Also, I’ll definitely go with that furnace filter idea. That’s a great idea and will definitely help a lot.LOL, a low end consumer device powerful enough to bring that reality into existence? Theory falls apart when faced with modern manufacturing all too quickly here. Having a button for ionization will allow removing a larger selection of (mostly smoking related) particle sizes.
There are of course conditions where ESD and other hazards to electronics are already exaggerated enough you would do well to avoid multiplying the effect. Again, reality is those particles will rapidly decharge based on the airborne contents of most computer gaming stations (smaller spaces you have been or will be breathing, eating, etc. in).
Pretty bright since they will attract and capture particles moving past and into them while being air permeable enough to allow heat exchange.
Interesting, so that can happen in some cases. I don’t know how favorable or unfavorable my ambient humidity is or if there are any extentuating factors, but I wouldn’t want to risk it knowing my luck lol. I’ll definitely just avoid those for sure.Speak for yourself...
-<1000cubic foot room, 2nd story apt. Riverside, CA
-Surround Air XJ-3800
-(painted) Metal Desk
Took me over a week to figure out that the Air Cleaner's ionizer was the cause of near-constant ESDs to my metal desk, and the occasional crash when inserting USB devices.
I 'got a clue' when earthing the desk INCREASED the intensity and frequency of the ESDs.
Sticking a screwdriver down into the Purifier's exhaust (while unplugged, and the driver's shaft earthed) and disconnecting the power to the Ionizer 100% resolved the ESDing.
So, sorry: You're (mostly) incorrect.
ESD hazards are indeed overblown... But only when ambient humidity is favorable and there are not extenuating factors involved. Which, to be fair, is the case for most home-users.
I see, so there’s no way to really completely get rid of it aside from weird and probably unrealistic solutions like that. Well, it is what it is I guess; I’ll have to clean it out at some point then. And I see, so ESD can still cause issues. I’m being careful with an antistatic wristband and an antistatic mat just to be safe. Thanks!Fans moving through air produce a static charge which attracts dust, ahir etc. The only way to keep any electronic free of dust is to have it hermetically sealed with water cooling or very low power fanless devices and using wireless tech on all input and output devices, and have the power plug hermetically sealed on the PSU...
I've killed ram and a a few usb drive via esd...