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You aren't wrong, but you're trying to explain a symphony with the sheet music for the brass section. While strictly accurate, it isn't a complete enough picture to do anything with.


Explaining myself, AMD is basically three separate entities wrapped together. These entities are the CPU division, the GPU division, and the licensing division. The two former are easy to explain. AMD was a CPU centric company in the "good ole' days." They competed directly with Intel, and generally made more affordable (if mildly inferior) products. AMD purchased ATI, which is the origin of the GPU centric segment. The patents and licensing division is slightly anemic, but AMD has pioneered some technologies. Leveraging patents is an easy way to make money, without capital investment.

Licensing is functionally not worth looking at. Patent trolling aside, lawyers just don't make a company run.


CPU and GPU development is where AMD has tried to shine. AMD lagged Intel because of significantly smaller investments into research, as well as targeting a completely different market.

While some theorists will claim AMD had a fighting chance until Intel began to make back room deals, I believe AMD began to fail because they set themselves up as Intel's shadow. When the PC market began to stabilize and contract (basically the same time that over-saturation began damaging the market) AMD found itself in a precarious position. The traditional market for computers was contracting, so a budget minded company couldn't exist.

Cue purchasing ATI. ATI and Nvidea were the primary graphics device creating entities. By acquiring ATI, AMD gained a significant foot-hold into a new market. By diversifying, they made it substantially harder to remove themselves from the market. Floating along on profits from ATI, AMD maintained their CPU division. When the economic down-turn came, AMD found itself in a difficult position. They couldn't compete with Intel on performance, and people that had extra cash demanded performance for their dollar. It's at this point that cheap ARM devices were making it to the market, and I believe someone high up at AMD decided that a new plan of action must be hatched. They began fusing the AMD and ATI strengths, to produce a low cost GPU/CPU hybrid.

Now begins the story of APU. It doesn't have any new technology, but it does make an integrated graphics option finally viable for a low cost solution. AMD capitalized on the low cost low power device market, and made the bold move of changing architectures. They went from a CPU and GPU glued together, to something more akin to their current vision of heterogeneous computing. Very low costs, with decent integrated graphics. The console manufacturers saw this as a cost savings measure (read: no dealing with power pc and easy porting from system to system). With two of the three largest console manufacturers on board, AMD is in a very good spot. They aren't pulling down large amounts of money, but they have consistent production.

So, is AMD dead; no. Is AMD competing with Intel; not any more. Is this due to a miniscule research budget; not really. AMD bet on a new architecture, and a new form of computing. Their pure CPUs are languishing because of this bet, but they aren't anywhere near dead.
 

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I have been having a discussion with some guys about AMD and Intel. They tell me that AMD is essentially dead and has no idea how to make money. I have tried explaining that AMD does not have as much loose capital to throw into R&D whereas Intel does. AMD has to make smart choices in what products to release.
So, am I wrong and AMD is in the can? Or are they trashing AMD because it is not Intel?
pretty sure AMD doesnt care about money even now. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...d-potentially-the-entire-pc-gaming-ecosystem/
while Nvidia is making secret specialty features like physx and all that stuff that runs only on their hardware, AMD is busy making real innovation with open source development in making tressfx and other stuff that run on all platforms.

Good guy AMD.

also i still prefer AMD systems when using CAD. they just are faster.
 
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for having a Athlon X4 760K and game on it with a R9 270X i wouldn't say AMD is dead, as many said CPU side they don't care anymore about the race to power, yet their CPU/APU are quite more than enough to build a gaming system without too much compromising. a X4 760K or a G3220 for the same price ... the choice is made. i want to go back to ATX build but i don't want a Haswell E setup... i guess R9 290, 990FX board and Centurion will be the next move once i got in a better financial state

as for the GPU both brand hold it but my only leftover of nVidia (if i except the Tegra 2 in my Folio 100 :roll: ) is the nForce 2200+2050 in my "workstation" which sadly support only SLI :D

i don't believe AMD to be kicking the bucket sooner or later...
 
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What are you guys talking about?.........Amd been dead for a while now. You know......the OLD we're gonna beat intel at being Intel Amd. (dead and stinking)
The new were simply gonna do what were good at Amd is doing just fine and getting better.
Truly some interesting times ahead.....for everyone!
 

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AMD is not dead because they are really the only competition to Intel. AMD/Intel are a duopoly for all intents and purposes and duopolies rarely die unless broken up by government. That said, I am still waiting for AMD to go back up to $60 per share. :roll:
 

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Far from Dead, Yeah Fx hasnt been updated since 8350 came about. They been focusing on Apu and Server markets, Plus they have a deal with ARM in server market. I suspect Steamroller to be the DDR 4 FX platform
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
I have been having a discussion with some guys about AMD and Intel. They tell me that AMD is essentially dead and has no idea how to make money. I have tried explaining that AMD does not have as much loose capital to throw into R&D whereas Intel does. AMD has to make smart choices in what products to release.
So, am I wrong and AMD is in the can? Or are they trashing AMD because it is not Intel?
Sometimes I find it amazing how completely out of touch people are...
 

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also i still prefer AMD systems when using CAD. they just are faster.

Is this part of your "AMD systems just feel snappier" argument? :laugh:
 

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I don't know if the people the OP mentioned are Intel fanboys but I suspect they are. At least they produced some evidence.

Obviously the absolute worst thing that could happen for all of us is for AMD to go under. If you think Nvidia cards are expensive now then what would their prices be with no competition?
 

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Is this part of your "AMD systems just feel snappier" argument? :laugh:
its not just me, a couple of my contacts who use stuff like vray and kerkythea will agree that amds are faster. maybe because of more cores?
 
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for me AMD still offer me another option of upgrade and yes, i suggest AMD based especially for anyone who want better graphic than intel solution
but if you take a look at their products just some of them that really pretty nice and could beat its competitors.
i guess its like when you read newspaper, the most that put in headline is the most wanted one and unfortunately AMD not often on the headline
 
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its not just me, a couple of my contacts who use stuff like vray and kerkythea will agree that amds are faster. maybe because of more cores?
IMO could be fast power saving state to full power state.
 
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One thing is for sure AM3+ is dead
 

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AMD won't be taking home the best CPU performance crown anytime soon, but they are budget beasts and their APUs are solid for budget gaming at medium resolutions. I believe their APU is a solid saving grace for their CPU's, I have been super impressed with the 4500 that came in my Asus K55n laptop. I think they know where their niches are in their respective markets. Top-end CPU's aren't where they can be right now...but don't count them out. I fully expect something epic from them within the next 10-years, imagine 290x and 4770k power on a single die...consuming only 65-90W. That's where I think AMD is heading, and sure by then Intel will have way more CPU power...I think AMD will prove most gamers won't need it so bad when they can attract emptier pocket books to the higher quality PC gaming fringe. This could be a reverse miscalculation on my part...and look at my systems, I'm Intel biased all day long. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in AMD or think they're failing by any means. They're taking a different path and I think it's going to treat them well, especially if the era of Steam Boxes takes off and they get their Linux drivers aced. Just my two cents.

This, I think Intel is running out of steam when it comes to AMD competition. CPUs upto 3+ generations old can still play todays games flawlessly it will sink in to gamers soon enough that the CPU power saturation has already taken place. That will be when people will look to alternatives that are cheaper like AMD and thats when AMD will shine.
 
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AMD just changed their market strategy due to changes in the people, demand, and things that happened in the past.

Intel had an overbearing part of the CPU market and was able to sway it their way years ago. There was a time where AMD was beating intel in the multi core and the single threaded performance but people rarely remember that segment due to Intel PR. Big things that changed the way people view things were the Intel Compiler Scandal and the Offers to OEM's to delay or not use AMD CPU's. A couple years back when this occurred Intel pushed/forced their compiler on the market which intentionally hindered AMD chips and caused a huge loss of performance in apps that used it which caused the AMD chips to look bad. Along with that came the OEMs being basically told they are not allowed to use AMD chips and they would get either a bonus or they had a chance to lose the Intel chips which caused OEM's to fear even going after the AMD side of things which has caused years and years of losses for AMD and their dwindling market share. AMD settled the lawsuit, but it was to late and the damage already took its toll and has caused a need for them to rebuild.

AMD nowadays chooses not to compete in the Ultra powered CPU race with more of a focus on the mainstream, GPU integration, and multi-core performance along with HSA. Intel has that market covered up with a strong line right now and its not changing anytime soon. But AMD is not dead and the APU line, Consoles, and their newly refocused GPU lines are showing to be a new force to be reckoned with. The fact so many game companies have pledged loyalty to AMD is proof of that and will show up in time.

I would not say that they are "Dead" in any sense.
 
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The main argument they are using is AMDs Financials. They have referenced the losses AMD has had in 2012 and 2013.

The guys' argument looking at only two years worth of financials is akin to looking at someone's checking account after paying the monthly bills. It's a small snapshot without any backstory - completely worthless.
 
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imo all amd need to do is get back to basics. do a bit more quality control and concentrate on the important bits of the cpu's to make sure they work to the full potential. its one thing to ct a few corners here and there to get chips on the market, but if they cant perform at the price point you want to sell them at to make a decent profit and you have to drop the prices then thats a problem.
I would have liked to use amd this time arround but for me the price/performance wasn't there.
if they had just not cut 1 or 2 corners then would have been good.

Thats just desktop cpu's though. and a lot of people will say that price/performance is their for them so even then its not dead.

If you look at consoles. its pretty much 100% amd and consoles are big sellers (even though i dont comprehend why consoles are big sellers) so amd is definitely not dead, by any stretch of the imagination.
just to expand on what i meant about cutting corners.
the cpu's need to distance them selfs from ati and stop sharing resources. and just do each others own thing.
 

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Shambles the console is like a dvd player, plug n play, there is no software to install, no worry about hitting the wrong button just pop the disk in and it plays
 
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When any large company can cheat as they please, then why is this a surprise? Decades of criminal business strategies by intel and billions of dollars lost to AMD and this is your end result.

And intel is still doing it.
 

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AMD Dead? Far from it. However, just like most times, AMD is struggling and has to be smart. Luckily AMD is a very smart company and has some very smart leaders in place right now.

Many people point to the fact that we haven't seen a new AM3+ processor as signs of AMD failing. But AMD has to be smart financially right now. And I believe they have chosen to dedicate the Fab time to the APU market, specifically the console APUs instead of producing an AM3+ part. And financially that makes sense. The console APUs are pretty much guaranteed revenue. While a new high end AM3+ part is far from a guaranteed money maker.
 
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AMD dominating graphics currently doesn't make me think they're dead.

You can't be serious!

NVidia is using 2 year old GPUs and still wiping the floor with AMD's latest offerings in both performance and power consumption.

Even with the custom coolers that were supposed to be the saving grace of the 290X it still couldn't outperform a bone stock 780Ti.
 

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You can't be serious!

NVidia is using 2 year old GPUs and still wiping the floor with AMD's latest offerings in both performance and power consumption.

Even with the custom coolers that were supposed to be the saving grace of the 290X it still couldn't outperform a bone stock 780Ti.

fanboy lol.
 
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You can't be serious!

NVidia is using 2 year old GPUs and still wiping the floor with AMD's latest offerings in both performance and power consumption.

Even with the custom coolers that were supposed to be the saving grace of the 290X it still couldn't outperform a bone stock 780Ti.
eh? a 780Ti outperform a R9 290X and wipe the floor with it? also the GK110 isn't technically 2yrs old like the GK104, yet a Titanzee (Titan Z sorry ...) can't barely get above a R9 295x2 (+/-15% is wiping the floor? )
now if you excuse me ... if you take in account the price of a 780Ti/Titan Black/Titanzee (arf Titan Z sorry again) i can't take you seriously.
 
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i can only think of 1 nvidia gpu that is better than an amd offering. and that costs a fortune..
so not to be thought of as a fan boy or anything. but nvidia isnt wiping the floor with any one or anything lol..
and if you want to talk bit coins then there is only 1 company wiping the floor with the other in that scenario..
 
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