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Is Crossfire (and ATI Drivers in general) That Bad?

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I just noticed I started this thread in Graphics Card general instead of the ATI sub-forum. My apologies everyone and a mod can move it if they would like.
 
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From my experience, two video cards get the ladies wet.

Hot Big Titty Chick: Oh, you have two video cards, will you take me in the bedroom now and ravage me?
Me: yes, but let me check my temps first
Hot Big Titty Chick: Ok, I will be waiting for you to tell me about your overclock voltage while you bend me over.

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Two video cards = more sexy chicks in the bedroom. :toast:
 
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Lets clear up something real quick:

5770 Crossfire is said to work reeeeeeaaaaly good.......when there is a profile for crossfire for said game.

Until then you have 5770 performance. Yes you can download the profile.......when they publish it. There are no custom profiles.

So the real question you need to be asking:

How often to I want my 5750/5770 Crossfire setup running like the high end single gpu and the rest of the time like a 5750/5770?

With a 5850 or 5870 there are no drivers or profiles needing to be published for it to work at its full potential when that new game comes out in the middle of the month. From someone who moved from a 4870x2 to a 5870 I understand now why people prefer a single gpu setup: because waiting for ATI to release that driver update sucks because you have one over priced setup until that driver/profile is released.

Btw I know about the whole renaming the .exe file to one that does support crossfire (and is closest in game engine design). The few times I used it to make crossfire work made the game play even less desirable imo.
 
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I hear this arguement often. Can you please show one current game that does not support Crossfire? And if you have one 5770 already, isn't easier/more logical to spend $150 for ~5870 performance instead of trying to sell your current 5770 and invest in a new single card? If you already have a VGA, Crossfire is the best bang for buck upgrade there is. Period.
 

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I agree with ya JATownes(partially), however, the OP doesn't have any cards at this point.

I also know that very few people that buy one card actually upgrade to two...maybe 3% of people who bought with the intention of adding the second card when one wasn't enough, actually purchase the second card.
 
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I hear this arguement often. Can you please show one current game that does not support Crossfire? And if you have one 5770 already, isn't easier/more logical to spend $150 for ~5870 performance instead of trying to sell your current 5770 and invest in a new single card? If you already have a VGA, Crossfire is the best bang for buck upgrade there is. Period.

That's not the original question. That's a different topic.

I don't know of any currently because it doesn't concern me. I know there were some here and there I read of others complain about the problem on a new release (which was my point).

I think recently (for myself) it was Arma that didn't have Crossfire support for a while because it took ATI time to get that figured out. I know when I had my 4870x2 I just would wait for a month after a new release, unless it was something big and known to support crossfire from day 1.

Though if you don't like that reality, that happens from time to time, there is always the driver that breaks crossfire like 10.7 did for BC2 apparently.
 
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I almost never buy a game the month its released, even if I've been waiting for it. I tend to let the dust settle and wait for the first patch. That habit might cover any lag time for an X-fire profile to be posted.
 

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i can say this right now for example at 3800mhz on my 965 with 2 5850s at stock i get 45fps average in crysis in DX10 high settings 4xAA yadda yadda if i disable crossfire i drop to 40fps so with 2 cards i see 5fps gain sure crossfire scales greatin some games sadly the god damn games it scales great in a frigging 4770 can max alone. Thats the major issue i have with crossfire it works wonders when im already getting 100+fps but when i need that boost in a demanding title it usually just dosent have the grunt or support

just save yourself the hassel buy a single frigging 5850 u can find them for $269 now and after rebates and promo codes ive seen them drop to $230 on 2 occasions for 24hr sales


i also have to agree with cadaveca ive had a 4870x2 and now 2 5850d and i dont see the same scaling others get either and ive had my cards since release so ive had the early adopter headaches as well i also run dual montiors so if overclocking i get flicker and issues and making custom profiles dosent fix it its a giant headache half the time and when it does work its almost worth it ALMOST
 
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As long as you dont have eyeinfinity, multiple monitors, and dont OC the card, the drivers do fine

i do all three, and the drivers work fine. just saying.

I'm not trying to make it sound like it's the perfect tech... but it simply is not as worthless as you guys are making it out to be. I have had a lot of enjoyment because of it and not all that many issues. yeah, a few - but nothing to keep me bitching a year later about it!

if you're worried about running into a few issues and having to google an answer - don't get it. i'd hate to see something so simple keep someone away from a great tech but if you can't handle troubleshooting...then don't deal with it.

buy a bigger more expensive single card... as those NEVER have problems ;)
 
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to be completely honest, with crossfire and overclocking my 5870's, i've never had a driver actually work well 100% of the time. just recently sc2 started crashing on me with a gray screen which i haven't seen in a while, but it only does it once in a while not very often, bc2 still crashes at will sometimes within minutes, sometimes after hours..

i think amd sucks at making drivers, however the performance of my 5870's, the pricepoint i got them at, and the looks are all pluses that far outway a slight driver issue from time to time.

funny though your mentioning this, i was just about to reformat my computer, god knows it needs it lol.
 
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You don't get any cursor corruption in eyefinity?

i did have it in one game... can't quite recall... think it was BC2. it wasn't permanent though. after some fiddling it just went away.
I really don't know whether I am extremely lucky or simply not paying attention - but almost every game I try works no issues - and the issues there ever are are so small they don't concern me. they are either easy to fix, or easy to ignore.

There was a thread months back where I listed all the games I played on eyefinity no problem...
to be truthful - I do feel stupid about buying up eyefinity. it works great, it's just not THAT fun. it gets old and I find myself simply choosing not to use it more often than not.

XFire though, is a must. I have not considered it unstable in years. I game nearly every day at max possible settings for hours on my i7 rig, XFire is standard for me now. rarely ever any crashes or stuttering or artifacting ever. and by rarely I mean I can not remember the last issue I had. Actually that's a lie. STALKER... STALKER is the one game that doesn't seem to like my XFire... it works, but it is touchy. I just have to make sure it's clean in the background as it likes to freeze when it's not working... still , that is less than 20% of the time!
 

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Interesting.

you know, a big part of why I am so "vocal" about ATi issues is:

#1:

I have two 5870 Crossfire systems now. One is overclocked, the other is not. Both have the exact same issues. Both are "All AMD" builds, using 790FX chipset.

#2:

All things point to the issues I have as being very much hardware-based. Every driver up to 10.7(where's 10.8?) has the exact same problem...whether Crossfire is enabled or not.

You've seen my pics, I assume, of the cursor corruption, so you'd know that I have these issues not just in games...but even just at the desktop. OpenGL, DirectX, 2D, 3D, all have this issue. I've tried every possible driver tweak, and done extensive testing on this issue...such that I can make it happen. Because of my testing, I don't see drivers as being able to fix this problem.

#3:

Fan issues. My cards overheat, but the fans never spin up over 60%. This is a driver issue that has been present since launch, like the multi-monitor issues.

#4:

DisplayPort issues. I also posted pics up of the 6 Dell monitors that only work 100% since 10.7. I am very glad this problem has been solved by AMD, but it was almost a year before a fix.

#5:

For emerging tech, these problems are unacceptable. One of the biggest things this gen is multi-monitor, but that's where all my issues occur. Single monitor, no problems, what so ever.


So, as a consumer, my confidence in ATi has dwindled with each driver release. If it was one problem, OK, but when you add the fact that I am not alone with these problems, this really speaks volumes about quality control here. All these cards should have been tested for multi-monitor function, but clearly this is not the case, or myself and others wouldn't have these issues. Because I used to be such a huge ATi fanboy, I'm holding out here for ATi to fix these problems, but chances are, I'll never buy another Ati card ever in my life. I can't support a company that releases products in this condition.
 
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All I know is I've used crossfire for 3 years and at least 3 monitors for about 5 years now - and I have not had as many issues in this entire time as you seem to have in a day. It sucks that you do, but what problems I have run into I have always found solutions for. even accepting in some cases it was manufacturer error - that didn't stop me from figuring out the real problem and finding a solution.

so to me as well, problems are rarely the hair-pulling hate fests they are for most people. I got into computers because I liked figuring out why something didn't work - and with computers if nothing else you can almost always narrow a problem down to a solution - if you have the time. I love that, and probably look at what issues DO come up as opportunities. I don't think that to myself when they happen - but looking back it rarely makes me angry or agitated... just curious.

so yeah - just two entirely different experiences with this technology i guess. ya know at least that goes to show it is entirely possible , with two people who both understand and know what they are doing , to have two completely different experiences with the same technology.

that does hold credit to your argument i would say - a proper tech wouldn't have so varied experiences i think.
 

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I was recently running crossfire 5870+5850 and I had a couple of gripes, but I will preface the whole thing by saying the on the whole the setup worked really quite well, and there was a large performance boost over the single 5870 I started with.

my first gripe was in the drivers, I find the control panel to be a bit clumsy and not really to my liking. my biggest gripe of all is there is still no 'per-appication' settings like nvidia drivers have. for isntance I can't force 8xAA and 16xAF in just one game of choice, it has to be forced globally, and let me tell you not all games want those settings. that is my one big dislike with the drivers. especially now I have a laptop with a mobility 5650, some games run fiiine with AA+AF, some will turn to a slideshow.

my second dislike is the non-consistent scaling depending on game or benchmark. the best scaling I ever saw was in the order of 69-70% above single card performance (I do a lot of tests, run a lot of numbers and make a lot of graphs :) ). usually scaling is around 40-60% above single card perf. what also can happen and did happen to me quite a lot is often you fall back on single card performance, wether this is the drivers or the game engine I don't know but it doesnt make it any less annoying.
 
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^ exactly when shit works it works but it tends to not work as it should more often then not granted ill still upgrade to the 6800 series most likely and go crossfire but If i was on an i7 build u can bet your ass id jump to nvidia for the better scaling thats in the 80% range compared to my average of 40-50%
 
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my first gripe was in the drivers, .

have you tried making profiles for each game? set the profile to load the game after changing settings, and then replace your regular shortcut with one to the profile, or just select it from the taskbar menu.
 

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have you tried making profiles for each game? set the profile to load the game after changing settings, and then replace your regular shortcut with one to the profile, or just select it from the taskbar menu.

no actually I haven't thanks! however I think you may agree that this is still inferior to the Nvidia driver control panel, where you just locate your exe and go nuts on the settings you want for it.
 
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no actually I haven't thanks! however I think you may agree that this is still inferior to the Nvidia driver control panel, where you just locate your exe and go nuts on the settings you want for it.

agreed - I actually don't do that - I just have a profile for each monitor setup, and the rest of the settings i do in game.
 

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agreed - I actually don't do that - I just have a profile for each monitor setup, and the rest of the settings i do in game.

yeah I've had to live with in game settings but sometimes It doesn't quite do it justice...
 
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i went from 2X4890's to a single GTX280 why??? because the retarded driver issues and I got my cards well after launch actually i got them right around the time the hd5XXX cards launched, therefore the 4890's should have been ironed out. yes ati release a new driver every month or so, but said new drivers with "fixes" for game problems usually either break a different game that worked fine with the older driver, OR make said game with the new fix run slower on other shit. i havent had that issue since going green
 
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I don't have issues. Based off my personal experiences ATi drivers are not bad. Most of the time on the interwebz you only hear the bad stuff anyways so I would think most users don't have issues.
 
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Location
Zagreb, Croatia
Processor Core i5 4460
Motherboard Gigabyte Z97-D3H
Cooling Zalman CNPS10X Optima
Memory 1x 8GB DDR3 @ 900Mhz
Video Card(s) Gigabyte GTX1660 6GB OC
Storage Patriot Blast 240GB SSD; Caviar Black 500 GB; Caviar Green 1 TB
Display(s) Dell U2311H (23'' IPS)
Power Supply FSP Hyper 700
Mouse Sharkoon Fireglider
Software Win 10 Pro 64-bit
my first gripe was in the drivers, I find the control panel to be a bit clumsy and not really to my liking. my biggest gripe of all is there is still no 'per-appication' settings like nvidia drivers have. for isntance I can't force 8xAA and 16xAF in just one game of choice, it has to be forced globally, and let me tell you not all games want those settings. that is my one big dislike with the drivers. especially now I have a laptop with a mobility 5650, some games run fiiine with AA+AF, some will turn to a slideshow.
Try RadeonPro, great utility made for just that - profiles on per application basis :toast:

I've been using it for some time now with my HD4870 and it's been working great (I underclocked my GPU and made that my default profile, so it uses less power and produces less heat, and I made profiles with normal/OCed settings that load for GPU intensive games)


As for OP's question, I haven't had any issues with Catalyst drivers so far (and I'm using my HD 4870 for 19 months so far), but I never tried Crossfire so I will not comment on that ;)
 
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