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Is delidding and water cooling a 7700k good value?

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well, you will lose all warranty, and get better temps and higher OC potential.
7700k is better in gaming than Ryzen, and you can expect to perform excellent to great for , lets say 3 to 4 years from now.( unless the devs get really lazy and decide not to optimize games very well)
 
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Its faster than Ryzen up to 4 cores in everything. Once it gets past 4 core then Ryzen, with more cores, will pull away in HEAVILY THREADED APPLICATIONS. If whatever you do is single-4 threads, the 7700K will beat it out.

You don't need to be delidding a CPU, really... not your cup of tea.
 
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@<Genericnamehere> If you're looking to build a system, it's best you create one thread stating what you need, what you're using your computer for, budget, etc.
 

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Eh... I recommend getting the biggest AIO you can fit, call it a day. Remember, a good cooler will likely serve you well forever, so don't be afraid to spend a little more than you may think if you can afford to.
Corsair h115 - 2x140mm
Corsair h100 - 2x120mm
Corsair h90 - 1x140mm

If you're not using at least the h90, forget it. Temps while overclocked are still gonna be high. There is, however, an argument to be made for air cooling. The Noctua NH-D14 is about as good as the Corsair h110 (which is also a 2x140mm cooler like the h115), and a little cheaper, but less convenient. Any air cooler that can run with these AIOs is going to be huge, heavy, and possibly give you problems when installing RAM (because the huge cooler gets in the way). However, as what is essentially a chunk of metal with fan(s) attached, it will never break down. Even if the fans stop working, you still have some passive cooling capacity from the heatsink. If the pump in a water cooling unit fails, you have next to no cooling capacity... and it would be more expensive to replace than a fan. So you have to make a choice between convenient, a little better cooling power with the off chance of a costly breakdown and something huge, heavy, with slightly less cooling power but reliable forever.
 

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Its a gaming computer primarily and possible vr.
Im part of the intel retail edge program so ill ve able to grab a 7700k sometime this summer for relatively cheap, but if im going to center my build around the 1151 socket then i want to make sure a 7700k is going to keep up.
All set and done it will probably be a $2000 computer, before various discounts. Honestly far more than i actually need but im going to have some fun with it and go all in.
 

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well i got intel 3770 when launched, still have it, still use it and still love it, intel i7's are solid options with a high price tag,

About delidd: delidding will void intel's warranty, but will lower the temps to achieve better clocks, OC and also keep it under better colder temps,


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The 7700k, being an i7, is already too expensive for what it offers for gaming: 4 physical cores.

So no, adding expensive water cooling on top and wasting time delidding it for a few hundred mhz extra, is not cost effective.

Besides, the only niche that would require a 7700K's high clockspeeds is the niche that demands + 120 fps minimum in every game. And even then, there will be situations you'll drop below that. At the same time, no midrange CPU falls under 60 fps, and Ryzen gets very close to 90 fps averages overall and definitely gives you 60 min fps in every game.

So consider carefully if that high clock is really needed or if its just epeen, and for 99% of all gamers it is the latter.

There is actually realistically almost no market for the 7700K besides people who decide purchases based on a few half-correct Youtube idiots.

Ryzen however, if you consider future proofing, is much more future proof because it adds physical cores, you know, real threads that are not situational in whether you can use them or not. This has tangible advantages, such as the added performance for multitasking and above all: the more stable in-game performance when you have apps running in the background, or like to record your play.
 
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terrible value. get a mid range all in one water cooler, like the corsair H60, and you will be set.
 

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terrible value. get a mid range all in one water cooler, like the corsair H60, and you will be set.

H60 might be good for stock clocks, but they're terrible for overclocking - they truly cant take the heat (Had a H60, H80, H110 and fractal S36 to compare with - H60 is barely better than a stock cooler)
 

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Nothing wrong with H60. My mate has one running in a Xeon build.....stock is 2.4 , he runs it at 4.0ghz and no temp problems.

Edit

Ooooops turns out he has the H80.
 
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Nothing wrong with H60. My mate has one running in a Xeon build.....stock is 2.4 , he runs it at 4.0ghz and no temp problems.

Edit

Ooooops turns out he has the H80.

my H80 does the wifes build proud - did 5GHz on that with two fans.

H60 is a lot thinner and cant handle the heat output well.
 
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Didn't de8auer de-lid one and show that it wasn't worth it to de-lid a 7700k?
 
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You also lose resale value if you delid
 
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Who would recommend a 7700k for a build that needs to last? It's maxed out right now in most games and worse in the few games that can use more than 4 cores. 7700k was never designed to last, it is merely supposed to be the fastest in gaming. The platform is a dead end as well, AM4 isn't.
 
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Who would recommend a 7700k for a build that needs to last? It's maxed out right now in most games and worse in the few games that can use more than 4 cores. 7700k was never designed to last, it is merely supposed to be the fastest in gaming. The platform is a dead end as well, AM4 isn't.

You can look at it the other way too. Its a proven platform right now. AM4 is still having growing pains


https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gaming-pc-7700k-vs-ryzen-7-or-wait-for-canon-lake.235304/
 
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Its a bad value in that delidding it will reduce your re-sale value if you want to sell it later, unless you reseal it well and don't tell the buyer... :shadedshu:

Who would recommend a 7700k for a build that needs to last? It's maxed out right now in most games and worse in the few games that can use more than 4 cores. 7700k was never designed to last, it is merely supposed to be the fastest in gaming. The platform is a dead end as well, AM4 isn't.

Maxed out in games?

As an aside now is a fine time to buy from either Intel or AMD because both companies are offering outstanding processors.
 
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No. It’s a terrible value.

Look at it this way…

First you need a CPU that is a decent overclocker.
Which is a lottery, unless you’re buying an already tested example. That will typically cost 100-150$ more.

You have to have a custom loop, if you want to get the most out of it.
Which will typically cost about 350$, more or less depending on your experience level and expectations.

You also need a delidding tool, which is 30-40$. You can try to do without, but it's not recommended.
Off course you can buy already delidded examples, but that is usually another 20$, on top of the 100-150$.

Now do the math.

In case you need the computing power, you’re better off investing into Ryzen/Threadripper/2066/2011-3.
In case it’s a job/hobby/got cash to burn/... go ahead and do what makes you happy.
 
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No. It’s a terrible value.

Look at it this way…

First you need a CPU that is a decent overclocker.
Which is a lottery, unless you’re buying an already tested example. That will typically cost 100-150$ more.

You have to have a custom loop, if you want to get the most out of it.
Which will typically cost about 350$, more or less depending on your experience level and expectations.

You also need a delidding tool, which is 30-40$. You can try to do without, but it's not recommended.
Off course you can buy already delidded examples, but that is usually another 20$, on top of the 100-150$.

Now do the math.

In case you need the computing power, you’re better off investing into Ryzen/Threadripper/2066/2011-3.
In case it’s a job/hobby/got cash to burn/... go ahead and do what makes you happy.

Lot of assumptions in there. First, the delid itself, not at all necessary or wise unless you are extreme OCing or just have cash to burn.. Second, no need to win lottery, even my sucky 3570K can hit 4.4 on a 25 eur air cooler. Hitting 4.5 on a 7700K is already a decent clock that will be substantial in performance over a 4.0 Ryzen.

The only reason the 7700K is not a great choice in terms of value is its 4c/8t @ the price it has. Especially if you consider we're looking at a super stagnant architecture that has essentially already been resold to us six times. At least, that is my rationale when I consider if this would be a worthwhile upgrade. Quad to quad on a marginally changed arch just isnt a worthwhile jump forward considering how long a CPU tends to last these days.
 
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Lot of assumptions in there. First, the delid itself, not at all necessary or wise unless you are extreme OCing or just have cash to burn.. Second, no need to win lottery, even my sucky 3570K can hit 4.4 on a 25 eur air cooler. Hitting 4.5 on a 7700K is already a decent clock that will be substantial in performance over a 4.0 Ryzen.

The only reason the 7700K is not a great choice in terms of value is its 4c/8t @ the price it has. Especially if you consider we're looking at a super stagnant architecture that has essentially already been resold to us six times. At least, that is my rationale when I consider if this would be a worthwhile upgrade. Quad to quad on a marginally changed arch just isnt a worthwhile jump forward considering how long a CPU tends to last these days.
It all depends on your CPU and the degree of OC you’re expecting.
You don't get water for a sucky 4.5GHz.
I’ve seen temps in the high 90s (C) before delidding, on a 7700k at 4.6GHz using a Noctua D15, and low 70s after delid and pasting.
I’ve seen a friend that was stuck at 4.4GHz, and nothing he did changed that. In the end he bought a tested part (4.9GHz) and sold the sucky one.

And 4.0 Ryzen and 4.5 7700k aren't that much apart in games.

Also, my statement of value is geared towards the question asked … watercooling and delidding.
The 7700k still offers a decent bang for buck value, especially now that the prices are going down.
 
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If u want most value for your money go Ryzen.
 
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No need to de-lid if you cool it properly. My 7700k stays nice and cool with a Corsair H115i and MX-4 TIM. Plus as has been mentioned, it's risky and voids your warranty.

And as far as Air coolers vs AIOs, if you take care of your rig properly, an AIO will last for years. Of course there is always a chance of failure from any component (which depends a lot on your installation, your maintenance, and how well you take care of your system), but I have an original Corsair H80 that is almost 7 years old on my daughter's rig, and it still works just fine, pump, fans and all cooling a Sandy Bridge i5.
 
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