Is downloading and playing the leaked Crysis 2 legal?

TheMailMan78 · Feb 21, 2011

AphexDreamer said:
Don't worry, you can be rest assured I won't. Ever

Yeah....well its in your signature

streetfighter 2 · Feb 21, 2011

scaminatrix said:
This EULA supercedes ALL THE LAWS IN YOUR COUNTRY. Once you click accept, you agree to enter into a legally binding contract between you and the companies mentioned in the EULA.

EULAs only became legally binding in the USA in 2010, and only in the 9th circuit. (source)

Besides that many legal observers agree that it contradicts previous judgments and will eventually be over turned by the Supreme Court. To say that EULAs supersede the laws of the USA would be inaccurate.

the54thvoid said:
This isn't Gene Rodenberry's commie utopia - this is a big nasty capitalist world and the keyboards we type on are bought by money we earn doing jobs.

LOL.

AphexDreamer · Feb 21, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
Yeah....well its in your signature

How did you sneak that in there! Great trick!

Great work too !

Now to keep my promise

I'm off to work now...

beyond_amusia · Feb 21, 2011

streetfighter 2 said:
EULAs only became legally binding in the USA in 2010, and only in the 9th circuit. (source)

Besides that many legal observers agree that it contradicts previous judgments and will eventually be over turned by the Supreme Court. To say that EULAs supersede the laws of the USA would be inaccurate.

Maybe... A justice appointed by a Democrat will be more likely to rule that EULAs are not 'law' than one appointed by a conservative. (taking political science in college

)

TheMailMan78 · Feb 21, 2011

beyond_amusia said:
Maybe... A justice appointed by a Democrat will be more likely to rule that EULAs are not 'law' than one appointed by a conservative. (taking political science in college )

EULA is no where near as powerful as copyright law and treaties anyway. Let them rule.

AphexDreamer said:
How did you sneak that in there! Great trick!

Great work too !

Now to keep my promise

I'm off to work now...

Aww you didnt have to do that.

beyond_amusia · Feb 21, 2011

Isn't kinda scary knowing that at any time Apple, Microsoft, ect can just disable operating systems, software and devices on a whim? I mean, since we don't own the software outright (and the software ON the devices), but are licencing it... Now, they would never do that, but still, just knowing that they could if they really wanted to... *unplugs the interwebs from the laptop* ahaha
It would be interesting to see it happen in theory, but who ever did it would be sued into non-existence, and then some. And of course someone would release a patch to get us all back up and running.

EDIT: Well, they DO do it, but not in mass amounts that would inspire a revolt.

HammerON · Feb 21, 2011

Please let's not stray too far off topic (legal or not legal)

qubit · Feb 22, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
Ever seen the Super bowl? This thread isn't about me. If it were you would be very surprised. I can pretty much say with confidence everyone on this forum has seen my work at one time or another and yeah, I don't want you stealing it or copying it.

So what on earth do you do? Now you've got my curiosity piqued!

DaveK · Feb 22, 2011

If you're going to buy it I don't see a problem with downloading it early. If you're never gonna buy it I also don't see a problem, they wouldn't lose out on money from someone downloading it if they aren't a customer in the first place.

Downloading it just to save yourself money, on the other hand, is a totally different story.

Aceman.au · Feb 22, 2011

It isn't legal

BUT

It's the developers fault for letting leaks like this happen and when full games get pirated there's really nothing you can do about it as the internet is massive and a lot of people will download pirated games.

I don't think it would be worth it/possible to imprison every single person who has pirated on the Earth for pirating. (Say that 5 times real fast)

THe companies have to make MP games if they want to make a profit, because to play multiplayer you need to buy a game from a store with an authentication key to play online. That's one thing they can hold on to.

But then comes cracked servers.

There will be no end to piracy unless the internet dies (won't happen) or all technology suddenly stops like in the end of the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still"

Go download it if you haven't seen... Oh wait.

AsRock · Feb 22, 2011

not legal, and if the bete is installable will it not have some kind of agreement when you install it anyways ?. All beta's i have tried have done although with this being leaked might be different but at a guess there be some kind of one at least.

And no i don't know if it does as i don't pirate peoples hard work.

Mussels · Feb 22, 2011

AsRock said:
not legal, and if the bete is installable will it not have some kind of agreement when you install it anyways ?. All beta's i have tried have done although with this being leaked might be different but at a guess there be some kind of one at least.

And no i don't know if it does as i don't pirate peoples hard work.

the beta is not installable, it runs straight from an exe.

if you got a repacked version (not from the initial leak) the eula is accepted by that person and doesnt show up on other systems (from what i've been told, havent personally verified that)

so there is situations where you can run the game without seeing the EULA

cdawall · Feb 22, 2011

Mussels said:
the beta is not installable, it runs straight from an exe.

if you got a repacked version (not from the initial leak) the eula is accepted by that person and doesnt show up on other systems (from what i've been told, havent personally verified that)

so there is situations where you can run the game without seeing the EULA

there is no EULA included in a .txt file either there is no accepting anything the game is click on exe and play.

LittleLizard · Feb 22, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
Hey man no worries. The last time I was in Uruguay I can honestly say software piracy is the LEAST of your problems (Which reminds me I need to renew my passport). But something like video games is a luxury. Not a necessity like other things. Will windows feed your family in a third world nation (not Uruguay particularly but in general)? The answer is no. As a person who has been to some of these nations I can tell you not many people even have computers so their piracy isn't even substantial.

I'm talking about first world nations whos population is fooling themselves thinking this is legal or even right. For those who legitimately "need" windows but cannot afford it then have your bread. Enjoy and prosper. Downloading games is NEVER a need. There are treaties and such these nations have signed on too that they are breaking. When the law catches up there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

You've just launched my modesty to the skies.

. And yes, piracy is the LEAST of our problems by far (which happens when your country is being govern by as******. Still, from an OBJECTIVE point of view, yes, i consider it illegal, just for the record.

scaminatrix · Feb 22, 2011

cdawall said:
there is no EULA included in a .txt file either there is no accepting anything the game is click on exe and play.

There is, the first time you play the game. For proof, move the contents of
C:\Users\*your username*\Saved Games\Crysis2
to the desktop and play the game. It will think it's the first time you are playing, and will show you this screen.
I got deja vu

cdawall · Feb 22, 2011

scaminatrix said:
There is, the first time you play the game. For proof, move the contents of
C:\Users\*your username*\Saved Games\Crysis2
to the desktop and play the game. It will think it's the first time you are playing, and will show you this screenshot.

I got deja vu

6. Term and Termination
The term of this Agreement and the license granted herein begin on the date on which you first
download, install, load or otherwise use CRYSIS and shall expire, without notice to you or any other
notice, when CRYSIS is removed from the market.

crysis 2 is not on the market EULA is null

scaminatrix · Feb 22, 2011

cdawall said:
crysis 2 is not on the market EULA is null

That wording is not sufficient to cover pre-release. Read the rest of it. If you understand the legal terms, you will be shocked.

Let's break down a couple of pieces (see attachments):

1. We will do anything the law allows us to do to seek compensation. (Statute/Civil law, not Common/Natural law).

2. Money is not good enough for us, to fully compensate us, we can impose an Injuction on you and really wreck your life.

3. If any part of this agreement is found to be invalid (i.e. if someone argues: "it's not a finished product so the agreement doesn't apply"), then the agreement still stands, as you agree to it.

In the attachment with no number, it says that you agree to allow them to take you to Germany to deal with you if you breach the agreement.

wolf · Feb 22, 2011

so what if you downloaded a savegame from the get go, and never actually had to click "acccept"... assuming you could proove it.

scaminatrix · Feb 22, 2011

wolf said:
so what if you downloaded a savegame from the get go, and never actually had to click "acccept"... assuming you could proove it.

That's covered in number 3. "If any part of this agreement is invalid due to legal or factual reasons, then the agreement is still valid." They've covered the lot the sneaky bar stewards.

wolf · Feb 22, 2011

scaminatrix said:
That's covered in number 3. "If any part of this agreement is invalid due to legal or factual reasons, then the agreement is still valid." They've covered the lot the sneaky bar stewards.

thats what the agreement is all about I guess... but srsly they at least deserve to catch the guy that leaked/uploaded it in the first place.

I'd hazard they could at least cover the potential sale losses by sueing the pants off him... or her.

scaminatrix · Feb 22, 2011

wolf said:
thats what the agreement is all about I guess... but srsly they at least deserve to catch the guy that leaked/uploaded it in the first place.

I'd hazard they could at least cover the potential sale losses by sueing the pants off him... or her.

Yea, but I think the worst part is the injuction. It means they reserve the right to ban you from something. What are they planning on? Are they thinking of going to court and saying "He got it from the net. Lifetime internet injuction on his ass.."?

cdawall · Feb 22, 2011

scaminatrix said:
That wording is not sufficient to cover pre-release. Read the rest of it. If you understand the legal terms, you will be shocked.

Let's break down a couple of pieces (see attachments):

1. We will do anything the law allows us to do to seek compensation. (Statute/Civil law, not Common/Natural law).

2. Money is not good enough for us, to fully compensate us, we can impose an Injuction on you and really wreck your life.

3. If any part of this agreement is found to be invalid (i.e. if someone argues: "it's not a finished product so the agreement doesn't apply"), then the agreement still stands, as you agree to it.

In the attachment with no number, it says that you agree to allow them to take you to Germany to deal with you if you breach the agreement.

how are they getting my to germany the US is not going to extradite me to Germany over something like this for one i didn't violate any US laws.

wolf · Feb 22, 2011

scaminatrix said:
"He got it from the net. Lifetime internet injuction on his ass.."?

don't even joke about something like that man!

injunction = you just got effed in the a.

entropy13 · Feb 22, 2011

scaminatrix said:
Yea, but I think the worst part is the injuction. It means they reserve the right to ban you from something. What are they planning on? Are they thinking of going to court and saying "He got it from the net. Lifetime internet injuction on his ass.."?

They also say in the EULA that "monetary compensation is not enough." Not, "may not be enough", "is not enough." That's how sure they are.

scaminatrix · Feb 22, 2011

entropy13 said:
They also say in the EULA that "monetary compensation is not enough." Not, "may not be enough", "is not enough." That's how sure they are.

Scary isn't it? Well, almost :laugh:

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