Is GTX 480 / Fermi a game changer for you?

[Wile E]

It matters a lot for power consumption , it's not fair to compare these two cards when one is built with older tehnology , i know know you wanna spin the bad to good out of GTX480 how is not that bad , how 4870x2 consumes just as much and bla bla bla , problem is the card isn't made anymore and won't be missed by anyone as long as 5000 series is very good and offers everything the old ones plus more.

No, the process doesn't matter at all (from a consumer point of view). All that matters is how much power it consumes, how much it costs, and it's performance. If it was built on the 90nm process, but still performed exactly the same in all areas, it wouldn't matter to us as consumers at all, it's just a number.

And the 4870X2 is still relevant. There are still a ton of them out there. Hell, look at my system specs. I can't afford a 5970, and performance wise, the 5870 isn't much of an upgrade to me. The only benefit it adds is DX11 and lower power consumption, and that just isn't worth it when I get the same performance in everything else.

I guess I should have worded myself differently in that the 4870X2 isn't so much relevant, as it has a credible influence. Fermi, quite technically, would be an upgrade for a 4870X2 user in every way. It performs better, has DX11, costs substantially less than the only other card that outperforms X2, and consumes less power than the X2.

And yes, the 5k series is very good, but that still doesn't make Fermi a terrible card.

I still want to see what it can do under h2o.


EDIT: In all of this, I completely forgot about GTX295. In light of that, it does make Fermi even less attractive. It seems that 4870x2 to 5870 is almost exactly the same as 295 to fermi, in terms of performance, but the wattage roles are reversed, with Fermi consuming MORE than the former top nV card. I may have to go back to the drawing board on my thinking here. Hmmmmm.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

@ Wile E
Have you decided on if you're getting a fermi? I'm torn now between a 480 GTX and the Asus 5870 2 GB matrix... my guess is they'll be the same price. I'm leaning more toward the ati because it seems like an efficient beast, and I'm wondering if switching brands might fix my audio pops.

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NVM I see you're waiting till next round.

 

[leonard_222003]

@ Wile E
I'm wondering if switching brands might fix my audio pops.
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Well of course it will fix everything , not just audio , if you get Nvidia everything in your life will be fixed because evrything went wrong with Ati , bad drivers and all.
After you get over the any problem with my computer has to be the Ati video card you should know X-fi sound cards have a problem with some movies and especialyl AC3 filter ( not the AC3 standard or dolby sourround) , go google and you will find many angry users with Creative , but god damn Ati should die for this too with their stupid bad drivers.

 

[Wile E]

@ Wile E
Have you decided on if you're getting a fermi? I'm torn now between a 480 GTX and the Asus 5870 2 GB matrix... my guess is they'll be the same price. I'm leaning more toward the ati because it seems like an efficient beast, and I'm wondering if switching brands might fix my audio pops.

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NVM I see you're waiting till next round.

I doubt your pops have anything to do with you video card. I don't think switching would help you.

But, compared to your 260, 5870 would be a hell of an upgrade, and less powered consumed. Fermi would be a little faster, but consume much more power. For somebody like you, I think the 5870 is the better buy, unless you really, REALLY want CUDA.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

Well I've narrowed down the situational popping to 3 causes, the pci-e, driver, or card itself. Someone had mentioned timing problems can happen with multiple pci-e cards, manifesting in sound issue. So at the least I might try putting my sound card in a different slot to see if that helps.

Power wise though I don't have an issue. I think I'd rather have my 850HX than the 1000HX just for quality improvements. I'm just fond of the more efficient design of the 5870.

 

[FloppyNL]

Too little too late. Plus the extra performance is nothing for something that comes 6 months too late.

 

[mdsx1950]

Too little too late. Plus the extra performance is nothing for something that comes 6 months too late.

This card is more like nVidias high range card like ATis 5800 Series. These are not the extreme hardcore cards like 5970s. nVidia will come up with a dual GPU card like the GTX 295 in the near future to compete with the 5970.

 

[Kitkat]

Hot Hot Hot Hot!

 

[Selene]

I voted, happy with what I have.
I am more looking forward to the multi display aspects fo the new 3D surround drivers.
My GTX260's are more then enough for the games I play right now.
So I am planing on doing Tri screen set up, then if my cards cant handle it, I will move to the GTX400 cards after the refresh I would think.
I might even do SLI GTX450's or some thing, I would think they will be faster then what I have, and less heat for sure.

 

[AsRock]

Well I've narrowed down the situational popping to 3 causes, the pci-e, driver, or card itself. Someone had mentioned timing problems can happen with multiple pci-e cards, manifesting in sound issue. So at the least I might try putting my sound card in a different slot to see if that helps.

Power wise though I don't have an issue. I think I'd rather have my 850HX than the 1000HX just for quality improvements. I'm just fond of the more efficient design of the 5870.

Why not just get a better sound card. Popping is coursed by PCI bus being out of sync right ?. If so maybe newer mobo drivers out there ?.

 

[Wile E]

Why not just get a better sound card. Popping is coursed by PCI bus being out of sync right ?. If so maybe newer mobo drivers out there ?.

He has a great sound card. Auzentech X-Fi Forte. It's PCIe, not PCI, so I don't think it has anything to do with bus issues, like you would sometimes get with PCI cards.

 

[AsRock]

He has a great sound card. Auzentech X-Fi Forte. It's PCIe, not PCI, so I don't think it has anything to do with bus issues, like you would sometimes get with PCI cards.

Well if my sound card was cracking and popping the last thing i would call is great.

 

[Wile E]

Well if my sound card was cracking and popping the last thing i would call is great.

Let me rephrase then. He has a great MODEL of sound card. His particular card could just be bad, and need replaced (which happens to even the best hardware manufacturers at times), or he could be having some sort of random software issue, or some other incompatibility.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

Well I'm going to try everything I can before changing out the card. Blow out the slot, change the slot, switch to optical cables. I can't do much else with drivers. I used auzen's creative drivers and the modded drivers. It's completely predictable, always happens at the same points in the same few songs, or when I blow up a shit load of stuff in crysis...

 

[Wile E]

If it always happens in the same songs, are you sure it's not the songs themselves?

I have a Forte, I could test the same song on multiple systems, if you want to upload it and PM me a link to it.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

I might do that, but I don't think it is because everything that is giving me trouble worked fine on my Fatality. Hope I don't need to rma because of the long break in time these cards have...

 

[fullinfusion]

It's not a game-changer for those of us with a 5970.
Certainly no one with a 5870 or 5850 would be considering Fermi.

I'm also pretty sure that people looking to upgrade their graphics would choose a 5850 or 5870 rather than GTX 480 / 470 due to price, power consumption, heat and lack of overclocking potential.

Edit: I wish this poll showed voters' choice.
Am sooo curious to know who are the 3 people who're going to buy a 480!

I totally agree with that statement BlackPanther, and owning a 5970 I would never even consider a fermi.

+1 also on the lack of voters choice, kinda a fine line with choices and IMO its kinda being bias with nothing except one ATI choice ...."I got tired of waiting and bought an ATI card" What's up with that???

So nay for me.

 

[mdsx1950]

I totally agree with that statement BlackPanther, and owning a 5970 I would never even consider a fermi.

+1 also on the lack of voters choice, kinda a fine line with choices and IMO its kinda being bias with nothing except one ATI choice ...."I got tired of waiting and bought an ATI card" What's up with that???

So nay for me.

+1 billion

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Well I'm going to try everything I can before changing out the card. Blow out the slot, change the slot, switch to optical cables. I can't do much else with drivers. I used auzen's creative drivers and the modded drivers. It's completely predictable, always happens at the same points in the same few songs, or when I blow up a shit load of stuff in crysis...

Just get a asus soundcard,problem solved

 

[Wile E]

Just get a asus soundcard,problem solved

Already fixed his problem. Volume was on 85 and a couple of his files actually had the pops and clicks right in them. Turned his volume down to 50, and turned up his speakers instead, and problem gone.

The Asus cards are having just as many troubles as the Auzen cards, btw.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Im having no problems at all with mine.

 

[AsRock]

If it always happens in the same songs, are you sure it's not the songs themselves?

I have a Forte, I could test the same song on multiple systems, if you want to upload it and PM me a link to it.

yeah, did'ne SONY ( or some one ) do copy protection that makes that happen ?. Worsed part it's made to damage your speakers too.

 

[Wile E]

Im having no problems at all with mine.

And neither are we.

 

[wolf]

Great, ~10% of people voted;

Yes, competition is great for the customer.

Seems the vast majority of people are interested in rubbing in Fermi's negative aspects :shadedshu

Me, I'm just happy it's finally here, because competition is great for the customer.

 

[Wshlist]

say watt?

I'm simply not going to buy a 1200W PSU, so yeah for me that leaves the fermi out, although it certainly isn't a bad thing spec-wise
Although I must say that even if it was drawing less power the next stumbling block would be the price, I have several old graphics cards that I paid a lot for and are not worth what you'd pay for a paperweight, and although that is a natural progressions I was hoping that when the ATI 4850 set a new standard for affordable it would not go back to the old 400-500+ prices at least, but here we are, back to paying an arm and a leg for something that relatively quickly is outdated in respect of why you paid all that money.
That price thing applies to both companies though and isn't fermi specific, and perhaps some genius will find a way to get good yields from 40nm and things will get more reasonable eventually, so there s a glimmer of hope.