Is it better to get a 120Hz or 144Hz Display with a GTX 1070 mobile?

[Guerrerio]

Hi,
All answers will be much appreciated.
If I am buying a laptop with a GTX 1070 8GB is it worth getting it with a 120Hz display or 144Hz (both with G-sync) knowing that the price is like £100-120 and knowing that running latest games on high with this graphic card will only get u, if u r lucky, a 80- 100Fps?
For me I think getting the 120Hz is a better choice but I also want to hear some more experienced people advice.
PS: Another question unrelated to this subject, why does the rtx 2060 perform weaker than the GTX 1070 on laptop? is it because u get the benefit of the real time ray tracing while gaming with the rtx? so it's a rather better quality gaming with 11% less frame rates than the GTX 1070 or is something else?
Thank you
Best Regards,

 

[Space Lynx]

Hi,
All answers will be much appreciated.
If I am buying a laptop with a GTX 1070 8GB is it worth getting it with a 120Hz display or 144Hz (both with G-sync) knowing that the price is like £100-120 and knowing that running latest games on high with this graphic card will only get u, if u r lucky, a 80- 100Fps?
For me I think getting the 120Hz is a better choice but I also want to hear some more experienced people advice.
PS: Another question unrelated to this subject, why does the rtx 2060 perform weaker than the GTX 1070 on laptop? is it because u get the benefit of the real time ray tracing while gaming with the rtx? so it's a rather better quality gaming with 11% less frame rates than the GTX 1070 or is something else?
Thank you
Best Regards,

if the laptop is a 75hz IPS panel it most likely overclocks to 100hz anyway with toastyx cru thats what i do on my laptop and i have a gtx 1070 in my laptop. and yes 100hz makes the gaming experience so much better than 60 or 75. and the 1070 handles it well.

if you are buying brand new... I'd save up for a rtx 2060 laptop tho. im considering selling my gtx 1070 laptop for $800-900 and put it towards a desktop.

also dont buy from cyberpowerpc. terrible company. buy it from amazon or newegg, something with a 30 day return period. just incase you are not happy

 

[Vayra86]

Pro tip, just don't But if you absolutely must, find a laptop with a full fat GPU and sufficient cooling. Mobile versions of Nvidia GPUs are easily performing a full tier below their desktop counterparts, and even worse if they are not cooled enough. Therefore: the actual GPU is about as important as the way it is built in there, don't go on specs alone.

My personal experience with 'gaming' laptops is... quite bad, and that is me being nice about it. I've seen molten power jacks, excessive throttling of the GPU, excessive throttling of the CPU (good luck gaming on 800 mhz...), lappys that would drain the battery even when plugged in, and generally short lifespans. Size matters, and cooling even more so. Specs come after that... Ironically the only good laptop I've had was a Windows 95 Toshiba Satellite, go figure. As soon as you add GPU heat, things turn bad fast.

That also ties into 'is it worth it'. A 1070 sure is capable enough to drive 120hz 1080p for quite a few games, albeit not at max settings, but if it throttles badly its still not a good experience.

And yes, its hard to go back from 120+hz. Above that, and even above 100hz, diminishing returns kick in fast though. Not much use going much higher.

 

[cucker tarlson]

yes,absolutely.
the experience at 90 fps and g-sync is much better than 60 v-sync
and using a 120hz screen for daily tasks is more comfortable than 60hz too.

 

[AmioriK]

I recently got a 144Hz panel.

60Hz is dead to me.

 

[cucker tarlson]

helios 500 is a nice option for you (NH.Q3NEP.010)
144hz ips,1070, 6 core 8th gen i7 and very good temps
https://www.purepc.pl/notebooki/test_msi_ge75_raider_8se_rtx_2060_wydajniejszy_od_gtx_1070?page=0,26

 

[AmioriK]

Pro tip, just don't But if you absolutely must, find a laptop with a full fat GPU and sufficient cooling. Mobile versions of Nvidia GPUs are easily performing a full tier below their desktop counterparts, and even worse if they are not cooled enough. Therefore: the actual GPU is about as important as the way it is built in there, don't go on specs alone.

My personal experience with 'gaming' laptops is... quite bad, and that is me being nice about it. I've seen molten power jacks, excessive throttling of the GPU, excessive throttling of the CPU (good luck gaming on 800 mhz...), lappys that would drain the battery even when plugged in, and generally short lifespans. Size matters, and cooling even more so. Specs come after that... Ironically the only good laptop I've had was a Windows 95 Toshiba Satellite, go figure. As soon as you add GPU heat, things turn bad fast.

That also ties into 'is it worth it'. A 1070 sure is capable enough to drive 120hz 1080p for quite a few games, albeit not at max settings, but if it throttles badly its still not a good experience.

And yes, its hard to go back from 120+hz. Above that, and even above 100hz, diminishing returns kick in fast though. Not much use going much higher.

My friend has bought high end gaming laptops for the last 6 or 7 years, all of them Intel / Nvidia. I think some where Clevo and Alienware. He recently got the Acer Helios with Ryzen 2700 and RX Vega 56 (super rare) and the irony is; he says it's the first laptop that he's owned that doesn't overheat and throttle. He even managed to overclock the 2700 to 3.8. He's scoring a tad lower than a mobile GTX 1070 in benches but it's running a lot cooler. It's the Helios 500 with 144hz screen.

@Guerrerio : Yes absolutely, if you're gaming at 1080p or 1440p 120Hz+ is the way to go. It made a huge difference in responsiveness and fluidity for me. As for the 2060 vs 1070; I guess it depends heavily on the cooling as Vayra86 said.

helios 500 is a nice option for you (NH.Q3NEP.010)
144hz ips,1070, 6 core 8th gen i7 and very good temps
https://www.purepc.pl/notebooki/test_msi_ge75_raider_8se_rtx_2060_wydajniejszy_od_gtx_1070?page=0,26

You beat me to the helios 500 haha. Albiet with the Intel/Nvidia combo. But yea I think it's a great Laptop deisgn with excellent cooling.

 

[cucker tarlson]

My friend has bought high end gaming laptops for the last 6 or 7 years, all of them Intel / Nvidia. I think some where Clevo and Alienware. He recently got the Acer Helios with Ryzen 2700 and RX Vega 56 (super rare) and the irony is; he says it's the first laptop that he's owned that doesn't overheat and throttle. He even managed to overclock the 2700 to 3.8. He's scoring a tad lower than a mobile GTX 1070 in benches but it's running a lot cooler. It's the Helios 500 with 144hz screen.

@Guerrerio : Yes absolutely, if you're gaming at 1080p or 1440p 120Hz+ is the way to go. It made a huge difference in responsiveness and fluidity for me. As for the 2060 vs 1070; I guess it depends heavily on the cooling as Vayra86 said.


You beat me to the helios 500 haha. Albiet with the Intel/Nvidia combo. But yea I think it's a great Laptop deisgn with excellent cooling.

the 2700+v56 version run slightly hotter,though not by much
https://www.purepc.pl/notebooki/test_acer_helios_500_amd_ryzen_7_2700_i_radeon_rx_vega_56?page=0,23

performance wise,they'll be indistinguishable.either version he gets is gonna deliver.
have a look at the fps the v56/1070 deliver at 1080p ultra.they're actually doing much better than I thought.

v56/1070 seems to be the sweet spot for laptops.a laptop cpu will slightly bottleneck a gtx1080 at 1080p it seems.

 

[Guerrerio]

Ia better to get a helio 500 or asus rog strix gl703 gs both with gtx 1070 same specs only difference is asus having single chanel 16 gb ram which i will probably add another 16 to it. the asus is about £150 cheaper tho!

 

[yotano211]

Pro tip, just don't But if you absolutely must, find a laptop with a full fat GPU and sufficient cooling. Mobile versions of Nvidia GPUs are easily performing a full tier below their desktop counterparts, and even worse if they are not cooled enough. Therefore: the actual GPU is about as important as the way it is built in there, don't go on specs alone.

My personal experience with 'gaming' laptops is... quite bad, and that is me being nice about it. I've seen molten power jacks, excessive throttling of the GPU, excessive throttling of the CPU (good luck gaming on 800 mhz...), lappys that would drain the battery even when plugged in, and generally short lifespans. Size matters, and cooling even more so. Specs come after that... Ironically the only good laptop I've had was a Windows 95 Toshiba Satellite, go figure. As soon as you add GPU heat, things turn bad fast.

That also ties into 'is it worth it'. A 1070 sure is capable enough to drive 120hz 1080p for quite a few games, albeit not at max settings, but if it throttles badly its still not a good experience.

And yes, its hard to go back from 120+hz. Above that, and even above 100hz, diminishing returns kick in fast though. Not much use going much higher.

The pascal generation of laptop gpu is not that much slower than the desktop version, maybe 5% slower. The 1070 is my laptop runs about 30-70mhz slower than my friend's desktop 1080.
I dont know what experience you've had with "gaming" laptops or from other people's experince but no way any laptop should be throttling down to 800mhz. That all sounds like really bad throttling for maybe some cleaning. I've had laptops for the past 9+ years and not once I've had anything throttle down that far. I think the only laptop that I have ever heard of that will drain the battery while plugged was some Lenovo laptop about 4 years ago.

 

[John Naylor]

Couple of things affecting today's buying decisions on laptops.

1. The old days of laptops being waaaaay behind the desktop counterparts came to an end ... that's been true for a while now. Much else has changed also.

2. Mass market lappies where amodel comes with "upgrade options" to more powerful CPus / GPUs generally do NOT upgrade the size and materials of the heat sinks or chnage the fan behavior. More often than not, the performance that is not hindered by cooling on the base model, is when you upgrade. I saw this happen when a put together for a Clevo build for a colleague. It had a hi tier CPU and GPU and it named every component inside the chassis. He later told me he eventually bought a lappie and paid about a $100 more for the peace of mind of having had one manufacturered by a well know brand and that it was "between two manufacturers, but he heard the other one was crap. He was disappointed when I told him that the company actually didn't "make" a single laptop and neither did anyone else whose name he'd recognize and that the two companies he'd narrowed it down to, all their laptops were made by the same company, using the same parts in the same plant.

Quanta makes HP, Lenovo, Apple, Acer, Toshiba, Dell, Sony, Fujitsu and NEC laptops
Compal makes Acer, Dell, Toshiba, Lenovo and HP/Compaq laptops
Winstron makes Dell, Acer, Lenovo and HP laptops
Inventec makess Toshiba, HP, Dell and Lenovo laptops
Pegatron makes Asus, Toshiba, Apple, Dell and Acer laptops
Foxconnmakes Asus, Dell, HP and Apple
Flextronics makes HPlaptops

AFAIK, MSI is the onlt vendor building their own lappies,

3. Make sure you know what you are getting; most manufacturers only list a few key components.... then to hit a price target below the competition, they "cheap out" on the rest.

4. Make sure you know whether your RAM is on 1 stick or 2

5. Be aware now that there's two versions of vVidia GPUs these days ... the standard and the max Q ... will affect price significantly

6. There's no significant price bump for *real* (no OC'd) 144 Hz

7. For our engineering office, we only use the custom built Clevo lappies for I'd guess more than 15 years. Engineer's need them on jobsites and AutoCAD is the primary application. It doesn't hurt that they make excellent gaming lappies, especially when on the road and little to do during off hours. The hear sinks are huge and don't expect a small or light laptop. On the 1st one, I ran OCCT and it didn't run, I called support and they explained that that card would detect OCCT and use Furmark .... I did, and it didn't blink. Never had an issue with a single one of them and the one I use now was a 2012 purchase. The only thing that I don't like about it is my previous had a hot key to toggle fans from system control to 100%.

8. Note ... Alienware was a Clevo reseller until they got so popular that Dell bought them.

If you want to compare GPU performance, look here.... I have listed their ranking of common options

https://dev1.notebook-check.com/index.php?id=844

03 - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 (Desktop)
05 - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 (Laptop)
06 - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 (Laptop Max Q)
07 - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (Desktop)
12 - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 (Desktop)
13 - VIDIA GeForce RTX 1080 (Desktop)
14 - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 (Laptop)
16 - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 (Laptop)
17 - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 (Laptop Max Q)
18 - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (Desktop)
19 - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (Desktop)
20 - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (Laptop)
25 - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 (Laptop Max Q)
26 - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (Laptop Max Q)
27 - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (Laptop)
30 - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti (Laptop)

To see performance in individual games....

https://dev1.notebook-check.com/index.php?id=13849


To give you an idea ..... PUBG @ 1080p Ultra Settings:

2070 Desktop = 144 ... Desktop in 7.6 % faster.
2070 Laptop = 130
2070 Laptop Max Q = 93

9. Worth noting that custom builts do not cost anymore than manufacturers gaming laptop. You don't have your location listed or I'd try and point you a local distributor. Also be aware that Clevo prohibits their resellers from "advertising" any pricing below a set "basement" price ... so if you comparison shop online, you will get see the same price no matter where ya look. However, there is no price limitation on what they sell you the laptop for. Most vendors have a sliding scale ... say $50 discount for < $ 1, 000 ... $100 discount for < $1500 ... $150 for < $2000. On one purchase they told me ... "if you upgrade your LAN / Bluetooth module, for $10, I can take off another $50".

10. From ya pricing tho... Im guessing UK

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-resellers-in-the-european-union-v1.652403/
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...and-reseller-info-read-before-posting.592609/

That thread is 8 years old

 

[AmioriK]

Ia better to get a helio 500 or asus rog strix gl703 gs both with gtx 1070 same specs only difference is asus having single chanel 16 gb ram which i will probably add another 16 to it. the asus is about £150 cheaper tho!

Honestly? I would go with the Helios 500. That £150 is going to be almost spent on the extra 16GB of RAM to make dual channel. I had a laptop with an i5 7300HQ in it, single channel. Upgrading to DUal channel made more of a difference than I thought, especially in games like Fallout 4 which I was playing a lot. Potato CPU, though, the 7300HQ. Rip. I'm not sure how i feel about Asus in recent years, in all honesty. All I can recommend is the Helios 500 since my friend is extremely happy with his, with the 2700 and Vega 56. I'm sure the 1070 version will be easily as good, or better since the GP104 chip is more efficient than Vega 10... and coming with Dual Channel out of the box will save you the hassle of sticking another one in, later. (I'm fairly certain the single channel will be noticable in some games). Just my thoughts

 

[Vayra86]

The pascal generation of laptop gpu is not that much slower than the desktop version, maybe 5% slower. The 1070 is my laptop runs about 30-70mhz slower than my friend's desktop 1080.
I dont know what experience you've had with "gaming" laptops or from other people's experince but no way any laptop should be throttling down to 800mhz. That all sounds like really bad throttling for maybe some cleaning. I've had laptops for the past 9+ years and not once I've had anything throttle down that far. I think the only laptop that I have ever heard of that will drain the battery while plugged was some Lenovo laptop about 4 years ago.

The problem is/was more in the midrange say laptops of ~600-700 EUR. Today it is more in the thin/lighter versions of laptops in all price ranges.

 

[king of swag187]

helios 500 is a nice option for you (NH.Q3NEP.010)
144hz ips,1070, 6 core 8th gen i7 and very good temps
https://www.purepc.pl/notebooki/test_msi_ge75_raider_8se_rtx_2060_wydajniejszy_od_gtx_1070?page=0,26

wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to expensive for the performance it offers (the helios 500 that is)

As for RTX mobile, its a huge meme, overpriced for almost worse perf

As for the OP, 144hz over 120hz unless its over $50 or so, the difference isn't worth that much

The RTX 2060 performs worse than the 1070M and 1070N as it's TDP (power) throttled and cannot reach its desktop clocks within its power limit

 

[AmioriK]

wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to expensive for the performance it offers

I would argue build-quality and cooling is worth extra on the Helios 500.

 

[king of swag187]

I would argue build-quality and cooling is worth extra on the Helios 500.

"Build quality" is relative considering its a Acer, it is very good compared to others, especially Asus/Dell lower ends, but its no MSI. The cooling is very good but definitely not worth the $200-300 premium

 

[John Naylor]

"Build quality" is relative considering its a Acer, it is very good compared to others, especially Asus/Dell lower ends, but its no MSI. The cooling is very good but definitely not worth the $200-300 premium

My son worked for Acer (2nd level tech support) out in Tulsa a decade ago ... I asked him what other products they made besides what I knew about ... answer was "they pretty much don't make anything".

The biggest difference between laptops sold by these companies most of the time is the logo. Both companies laptops are made by the same OEMs on the same or adjacent production lines using same labor and same parts.

Pegatron makes (among others) Asus, Dell and Acer laptops
Foxconn makes (among others) Asus and Dell laptops
Quanta makes (among others) Acer and Dell laptops
Compal makes (among others) Acer and Dell, laptops
Winstron makes (among others) Acer and Dell laptops

Remember Asus created ASRock to serve the low budget "builder market" w/o harming their reputation. Then spun it off as a separate company ... well sorta, while still having the parent company (Pegatron) handle Asus TS and RMA efforts for many years ... There's still many ties between the two hard to tell where one begins and one ends ..... Pegtraon is the parent company for

- AsRock (formerly owned by Asus)
- Unihan Corporation (formerly owned by Asus) and it designs and manufactures computers, peripherals and audio-video products
- PEGA Design and Engineering (formerly owned by Asus) and it helps their clients with product development, including market research, conceptualization, product design, materials study and production
- PEGA CASA esign team (that was originally branched off from the Asus design team) is dedicated to the design and development of non-IT products in addition to the existing IT product design, including notebooks, smart[hones yada yada yada

In each instance hard to know how much of the work of each of those subsidiaries is for Asus.

 

[Guerrerio]

Hey Guys,

Thanks a lot for your answers. As the discussion is getting really interesting, I thought that I'd better post all of the choices I have in here and tell you my personal opinion about each product I'm posting and why I chose it and you guys please give me your best advises and help me choose, I'll try to list them from most favorite till least favorite.
(My budget for the time being is no more than the price of the Helios on the ebay no more than £1583 and I am probably gonna suffer for some few days after I spend that much money xDDD )

1- Asus strix STRIX GL703GS-E5011T; Core I7-8750H 16GB 1TB +256GB SSD GTX1070 8GB 17.3 Inch Full HD 120Hz or 144Hz
*I like this laptop the most cause it has all what I want, also cuz it's Asus and my current laptop is Asus (love the design and the brand name and reputation) and also for the fact that it's made for FPS gamers. The only issues I heard of about this laptop are the bit of excessive heat and that the fact it come with a single channeled RAM but I wanna upgrade to 32 anyways..
**Both links for the laptops with 120Hz and 144Hz diplays
https://www.box.co.uk/GL703GS-E5011...rZGaXm4GmxLuNxmBKMPlQRoCdAwQAvD_BwE#DetailTop
https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/asu...-gfull-hd-1-gl703gs-ee071t/version.asp#/specs
2- Acer Predator Helios 500; Core I7-8750H 16GB 1TB +256GB SSD GTX1070 8GB 17.3 Inch Full HD 144Hz
*I like this laptop cause it also has all what I want, also cuz I saw that it's beaten too many other powerful laptops in reviews on Youtube and also cuz of the fact that it is a beast.
The only issue I heard of with this laptop is that it has a minor power throttling that keeps the temperature under control (but some people says that thermal pasting the CPU might resolve this issue)
**Links for the laptop with two different prices:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233110184915
https://www.box.co.uk/NH.Q3NEK.004-Acer-Predator-Helios-500-PH517-51-76H7_2353209.html

3- Asus ZEPHYRUS GM501GM; NVIDIA GTX 1060, 16GB, 15.6" 144HZ 3MS G-SYNC, I7-8750H GAMING LAPTOP
*I putted this laptop third cuz it was my first choice because of my budget limit at the beginning, also cuz it has everything I need only I wished for a slightly better GPU and also because it performs 100% with no temperature issues no throttling or whatsoever and if things doesn't end up well with other choices and with budget I'll most definitely get this lapotp as a primary choice. The only issue is that the Graphic card isn't that perfect for new tittles.
**Link down below for the Laptop:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...-g-sync-i7-8750h-gaming-laptop-lt-251-as.html

4 & 5- These are two customized laptops one is a Cyberpower TRACER RTX-17 and one is 3XS Vengance Pro II; Core I7-8750H 16GB 1TB +256GB SSD RTX20600 6GB 17.3 Inch Full HD 144Hz (Cyberpower with LED - FHD matte display, Vengance with IPS panel):
*I was really considering these two laptops until I did some digging and found out that the rtx 2060 mobile isn't that powerful and it's beaten by 11% by gtx 1070 (Helios 500) in all games and also for the fact that is overpriced knowing that the only benefit of it, is the real time ray tracing and I am confused about the fact that it's beaten by a GTX 1070 and I am not sure if it is cuz of some power management or it is cuz of the RTRT that consumes more power to provide a better quality while gaming or is it something else, if it's the first reason than I think it's worth the 11% less performance than the GTX 1070 as you gain something more beautiful in return.
**Both links below (note that the Cyberpower is customized to the I mentioned above and costs £1363.20 with no windows, £95 for the windows)
https://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Tracer-RTX-17-Xtreme-Gaming-Laptop-Configurator
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156...l-core-i7-8750h-16gb-ddr4-250gb-m2-ssd-1tb-wi

I am assuming that you guys can see the struggle in my choice now. This why I will really appreciate it if we can narrow the struggle down to a single choice so I can go ahead and purchase a laptop and be able to sleep happily at night with no overthinking, especially after my bad experience with the Asus FX504 that cuzed loooooaaaads of stress, I rushed buying it cuz of how ridiculously cheap it was and did no researches or whatsoever only after I bought it xDDD.

Special Thanks for everyone getting involved in this thread and trying their best to help. Appreciate it fellas.

Best Regards,

 

[Guerrerio]

With this happening. I think the RTX may get crossed off from my choices and shrink them to just 3 options xDDD
https://wccftech.com/cryengine-noir...NxzGRSN2o0bsk6wQIJf5QG71QThVGbiXx4NyV5vsIvTmM

 

[AmioriK]

With this happening. I think the RTX may get crossed off from my choices and shrink them to just 3 options xDDD
https://wccftech.com/cryengine-noir...NxzGRSN2o0bsk6wQIJf5QG71QThVGbiXx4NyV5vsIvTmM

While that is nice, honestly I don't expect it to perform anywhere near what Turing 20-series can do with the ASIC RT cores. It runs well on Vega because those GPUs have a lot of shader processors that aren't doing a whole lot when gaming (Vega SP's are underutilised due to waiting for other parts of the pipeline to finish, i.e geometry). Filling them up with RT ops while they wait will result in Vega doing quite well with GPGPU RT on the shaders. Vega also can potentially use Rapid Packed Math FP16X2 to accelerate that process. I don't think it will run amazingly well on Pascal or the baby Turings (TU116) because these GPUs are already close to peak shader utilisation, I think.

Well optimised RT code running on GPGPU shaders is great of course, as its vendor and API agnostic, but dedicated HW is going to perform better at the same IQ or have superior IQ at the same frame rate, I think. NVIDIA will be working pretty hard to optimise the driver and code for the RT cores, too. Also: NVIDIA bet a lot on dedicated fixed function units to do the BVH part of ray tracing. I think, if the same or better performance could be achieved with throwing more GPGPU CUDA cores at the problem and running that code on those instead, they would have done it. Just my thoughts.

I'm not saying the 20-series are entirely worth it, per se, just that I don't expect miracles from the GPGPU approach to Ray Tracing. That said, with what @king of swag187 said;

As for RTX mobile, its a huge meme, overpriced for almost worse perf

As for the OP, 144hz over 120hz unless its over $50 or so, the difference isn't worth that much

The RTX 2060 performs worse than the 1070M and 1070N as it's TDP (power) throttled and cannot reach its desktop clocks within its power limit

The mobile RTX 2060 is pretty mediocre in general rendering, and due to those low clock rates its not going to be stellar in RT either.... and has less VRAM too.

I think a 8th or 9th gen Intel CPU with at least 6 cores 12 threads, dual channel ram out of the box, a mobile 1070 and 144Hz screen would be great I guess now it's up to you to decide which model you want. I still recommend the Helios, but do take a looksie at some reviews. Side note: I have quite a few friends with Clevo-based models that are often "customised" by PC hardware stores, and I have heard they have massively varying quality; some of them are atrocious, overheating and failing in just a couple weeks. So I wouldn't honestly go with a custom built laptop. Oh wow i typed a lot, but I hope i helped a bit^^

edit:
Depends on what games you're playing, I play a lot of online games where even my 570 could manage 144fps. But yeah, in your case the 120hz panel would still be great, if you're playing AAA games at full details. As far as the panel goes: IPS is widely regarded as the best panel technology for gaming monitors right now

Which particular model laptop did you have in mind? The Asus w/ 1070 & 120hz + buy extra RAM? sounds like a solid plan and the warranty on that is 2 years, pretty good too

 

[Guerrerio]

While that is nice, honestly I don't expect it to perform anywhere near what Turing 20-series can do with the ASIC RT cores. It runs well on Vega because those GPUs have a lot of shader processors that aren't doing a whole lot when gaming (Vega SP's are underutilised due to waiting for other parts of the pipeline to finish, i.e geometry). Filling them up with RT ops while they wait will result in Vega doing quite well with GPGPU RT on the shaders. Vega also can potentially use Rapid Packed Math FP16X2 to accelerate that process. I don't think it will run amazingly well on Pascal or the baby Turings (TU116) because these GPUs are already close to peak shader utilisation, I think.

Well optimised RT code running on GPGPU shaders is great of course, as its vendor and API agnostic, but dedicated HW is going to perform better at the same IQ or have superior IQ at the same frame rate, I think. NVIDIA will be working pretty hard to optimise the driver and code for the RT cores, too. Also: NVIDIA bet a lot on dedicated fixed function units to do the BVH part of ray tracing. I think, if the same or better performance could be achieved with throwing more GPGPU CUDA cores at the problem and running that code on those instead, they would have done it. Just my thoughts.

I'm not saying the 20-series are entirely worth it, per se, just that I don't expect miracles from the GPGPU approach to Ray Tracing. That said, with what @king of swag187 said;


The mobile RTX 2060 is pretty mediocre in general rendering, and due to those low clock rates its not going to be stellar in RT either.... and has less VRAM too.

I think a 8th or 9th gen Intel CPU with at least 6 cores 12 threads, dual channel ram out of the box, a mobile 1070 and 144Hz screen would be great I guess now it's up to you to decide which model you want. I still recommend the Helios, but do take a looksie at some reviews. Side note: I have quite a few friends with Clevo-based models that are often "customised" by PC hardware stores, and I have heard they have massively varying quality; some of them are atrocious, overheating and failing in just a couple weeks. So I wouldn't honestly go with a custom built laptop. Oh wow i typed a lot, but I hope i helped a bit^^

No way, you typed nothing compared to me hahahha But seriously thanks a lot for ur effort, trying to help me and I really do appreciate it, u seem like you really know ur stuff. One last question if u don't mind please, is there a noticeable difference between the 144hz and the 120hz, I mean is there any reasons, that I probably ignore cuz i'm no expert, for which I should get the 144Hz even thought I am not gonna be hitting 144fps in nearly all of the game with the gtx 1070 and is it worth a slightly more then a £100 in price or should I just get the 120Hz and add this ram stick to the exisitng one in the laptop, will it work, this way I'll be saving money and benefit from a dual channel memory of 32gb!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT...=1552788579&sr=8-14&keywords=16gb+ram+crucial

Thank u so much again and really appreciate ur help.

Best Regards,

 

[cucker tarlson]

wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to expensive for the performance it offers (the helios 500 that is)

As for RTX mobile, its a huge meme, overpriced for almost worse perf

As for the OP, 144hz over 120hz unless its over $50 or so, the difference isn't worth that much

The RTX 2060 performs worse than the 1070M and 1070N as it's TDP (power) throttled and cannot reach its desktop clocks within its power limit

well,recommend sth cheaper with equal or better cooling then

 

[Wavetrex]

To be honest, I didn't think I will feel the difference between 100 and 144, but I do.

My 2 year old ASUS display does 100Hz, and just recently got a gaming laptop with an 144Hz panel on which I play some older games where the laptop GPU can keep up.
The difference in smoothness isn't big, but it's there, especially when playing certain games where the entire screen changes significantly every frame ( FPS, or a top-down RPG, platformer or racing game).

If playing strategy, adventure/RPG (slower paced), stuff like WoT, puzzle or any game where the viewpoint doesn't change much ... probably no need to go higher than 100 or 120.

60Hz is clearly no-go, nobody should buy new panel with only 60Hz, unless they scrape the bottom of the barrel for money (in which case 2nd hand would probably be a better option anyway)
High-framerate displays aren't that expensive anymore, actually, it's barely any difference today on new models.

 

[Roddey]

Well I went from a 27 inch Benq 144hz to an Alienware 34 inch 120 hz monitor and I cant tell a difference. Maybe I could if I had both monitors sitting side by side playing the same game, I dont know. Both are smooth.
I have recently noticed that the IPS glow that I had in the corners when new has gotten better, now its almost gone. I barely see it now in the very edge of the corners, and have to look for it to see it. Before it was kinda bad. Good I guess? Ya?