Well just know there isn't alot of headroom on the 4790K. Getting up past 4.7 is a difficult task on the best of boards.
Perfect, That's the info i'm looking for. 4.7 is decent and reasonable but if that's my ceiling I'm not going crazy on the mobo unless I wild hare a Asus Gene. Thank you very much quantitative info, 4.7 is a number I can handle on a reasonable build.
Yessir,That is the one.
EarthDog posted the only 2 mATX boards for overclocking: Z87m OCF and M7 Gene.
Well..You could do m6 Gene..but why?
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Well it comes down to do i want to spend $130 on a AsRock OC formula and get decent overclocking or gusto out the Gene. It's coming from free money (car warranty refunds) so I don't mind spending the bucks I just don't want to waste it.
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None of which means you know anything about overclocking. It makes more sense for someone with a degree in computer science or electrical engineering to claim that their professional skills intermingle with over-clocking. The simple fact is that the size of the motherboard only means that manufacturer as less room to work with. It's entirely possible that some manufacturers skimp on hardware to get everything to fit, but a board like ASUS' Gene will over-clock like a champ.
So for me, I don't think flaunting the fact I have a degree in Comp Sci is even relevant for this discussion, but my experience of 10 years of overclocking since skt478 days is.
As for the power phase argument, newer technology simply is going to be better than older ones (if they don't screw it up). My P9X79 Deluxe has a 16+2+2 phase power, but a more modern ASUS board with a 8+2+2 probably is just as capable if not more capable than mine. So take the number of phases with a grain of salt. The hardware is only as good as the way it was engineered, so you could have 100 power phases, but it doesn't mean it will be better. A great example is how the ASUS Rampage Black Edition has half the power phases as my board, but overclocks a lot better.
Your statements to me come off as inexperienced with respect to overclocking, so I would tread lightly before making some assumptions that very well could be false. Don't assume that your professional skills have any bearing on your ability to overclock a computer. However my professional skills do enable me to understand why thing like memory timings need to be a certain way and why which could have bearing on overclocking memory, but that's a long-shot IMHO.
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Also, as other's have said. This would require sub-ambient cooling such as phase change or LN2. Definitely not a 24/7 option in my opinion.
Last update: It also depends on the silicon lottery.
Blah blah blah thanks for text wall of death back at you..... I guess you missed the part in my intro where I said first attempt at CPU overclocking but have been doing video cards for years... and the part about lapping heat sinks, but I guess you and your wall of text know everything... Sorry gaming on a OC 7870 that I squeezed 1250/1450 out of without moding fans.... those setting are higher than Guru 3d but really that's just luck of the draw.
And for the record I mentioned my credentials because it seemed to me that Peche used a backhanded comment to suggest I might not have any skills so I showed credentials... Because, normally one can ascertain that someone with good credentials and industry experience probably has some skill ... can we not ? So, what's wrong with that ? Actually, what Peche is talking about is KNOWLEDGE.... knowledge is simply learning something, wisdom is knowing how to apply it and SKILL is the ability to learn and apply knowledge which is why i shared my credentials that suggest some skill. So again, So, what's wrong with that ?I have been a hardware specialist for over 14 years and it might be a little wrong to assume that never read a OC forum , whiteboard, overclocked anything or fiddled with ram timings... Especially without looking at my profile. lol Skill is the wrong word, he's talking about knowledge. Once someone possesses the knowledge that can be applied with practice AND SKILL.
Also, compsci grads don't even touch a computer in their first 3 years so that doesn't do much for me. Most compsi people I know go into Java, scripting, programming etc. etc. IMHO... That's like assuming that because a receptionist knows excel they can build a pc. I know software engineers for decades that can't plug in a power supply. I also know one that worked for EA Games as a software/hardware engineer on the PS4 and PS3 controllers that sold my old GTX 8800 for 1/3 the price because he didn't' check the dimensions of his case! lol (great guy though if you're reading M
) I am in hardware specifically hardware specialist. . I actually 14 years hands on expr working for EA games Tiburon, Northrup Grumman, NASA, Lockheed Martin, Siemens ... etc etc..... and If I had a $ for every software, database guys, admin or compsci major that couldn't properly trouble shoot a hardware issue past step 2 i'd be well off, oh wait I am... but that's ok because past shell scripting in UNIX I don't know squat about programing.
Memory timings ? Do you assume I don't know equations on CAS latency and timings? ... lol If so you assume too much about someone you don't know ....and who are you to judge my responses anyways ? Sounds more like a rant, loll get over yourself. it's a forum not your stage.I will however thank you for the information about phases.. You could have just stuck with that cause the rest was a useless attempt to defend someone else's fail at assumptions. All I am looking for is the KNOWLEDGE. And who's to say I won't try different ambient cooling. One of my customers was with the NAVY and used to run their mega data centers and dropped all his motherboards into a tank of refrigerated mineral oil.. Who's to say I won't do that someday? So maybe I would like to learn more about that ? Maybe not with this build but would be fun someday
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So...... you overclock using sub ambient cooling methods? As that is the only way you are going to reach 5.6Ghz+... And if that is the case, I would look at either the mATX Z87 OC Formula, or the Z97 Gene VII as you are looking at already.
I really dislike blanket statements... Usually this is true, but in the case of the OCF and the ROG Gene, those two boards will easily handle as much if not more than a lot of ATX boards.
The digital/analog thing really isn't a huge issue. I have taking analog and hybrid setups past 6Ghz on a 4790K. Digital is more accurate is about all.
That said, with Haswell, a lot of the power shaping is done in the CPU so the power bits tend to matter even less. But for where you want to overclock, I would look at a more robust board like the Z87 OC Formula (the z97 one is MEH - Nick Shih was not happy with that one) or the Z97 Gene VII. But again, you will need to use extreme cooling methods to get there...
The Z97m Killer is fine, but compared to the Z87m OCF and the Gene its nto as good. No onboard power/reset buttons for extreme overclocking...
PS - I think Peche was talking about your overclocking skills, not irrelevant professional skills.
Thanks, I am well aware of the Gene I mentioned that already as being an exception... the OCF is my choice if I don't' want spend it on the Gene.
Also, thank you very much for the quantitative date on phases.. honestly phasing is something I do need more knowledge on.. I would love to find any more info on that, that helps. I am wanting to go haswell because of the 3.0 pci-e... I know I know not a really going to make a difference but that's what I want to do.
Also, I thought Peche used a backhanded comment to suggest I didn't have skill so I showed credentials as mentioned above.... usually a proper industry response when someone may directly or inadvertently suggest the lack there of correct ?
