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Is socket 775 future proof?

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I am attempting to put together a budget build for a cousin while I am in the philippines.
They dont have new egg, amazon, ebay... they have Pc express, which is rough... to say the least.
http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components

Anyways, over here 70usd a week is a decent wage and he is looking to spend around 500usd, but he wanted to spend over 200 usd on an i5 and I cant see any reason why he should do this. <9150 pesos equals 212. usd @ 43 pesos to one usd>
http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components/processor/intel-core-i5-650-3-20g-4mb-v733mhz.html
He doesnt run hard core games and he doesnt really multi task. I have the e5200 wolfsdale, which I am assuming is the same cpu that is listed @ pc express and am able to run the mechwarrior living legends mod for crysis wars no problem . It OC on stock to iirc 3.67 and have had zero problems with it for going on two years. A quick glance at both pc express and new egg shows me there are still lots of socket 775 cpu out there that more than get the job done.
DO you guys foresee socket 775 being around a few years more in case he would like to get a better cpu in the future? I just cant justify him spending 200 usd on a cpu and 100 on his gpu.http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components/graphic-cards/inno3d-gts250-1gb-ddr3-256b-dual-dvi.html
perhaps save him some money<over 100 usd > on the cpu and throw a lil love towards the gpu.
was thinking this one.
http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components/graphic-cards/xfx-hd5770-oc-1gb-ddr5-hdmi.htmlI mean he almost exclusively plays these direct download games that are psuedo taxing I guess on a gpu, but I figure he might as well put a little more money into his gpu so he at least has the option to play tier one titles if he so desires.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
 
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No, it's already obsolete. Try not to buy into this platform.
 
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If you could pick up a Q9** quad and decent motherboard for cheap then it is an option though I wouldn't buy a new 775 proc cause it is EOL and anything less than an Q9** chip wouldn't be worth the money. Another would be an Athlon x4 quad/PII x3 for his budget.
 

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not exactly future proof, more like mid/low end last generation hardware

better off waiting for sandybridge to be more mainsteam nad get that
 
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I agree, only if you can find a q9* series cpu. Otherwise look for a used i5 or i7 system.
 

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Im not sure if anyone looked at the retailer you have to deal with here.
Also, there is no used market. there is no amazon, or craigs list or any of that. There is essentially one major store that I linked.
If you look through it, they are still catering to agp clientele . Old. real old,
So waiting for sandbridge to become mainstream is not happening.
This is a machine he wants to have within a month.
Perhaps i should have said it like this. Is it likely that one would not be able to find a socket 775 cpu in 18 months? Honestly , I see no reason why he shouldnt order the 5200. Its a bad ass chip thats dirt cheap. The reason I ask the question , is in the unlikely event the chip fries or something.
It looks to me that even if he got an i5, its a different socket for sandy bridge so an i5 isnt exactly future proof either?
iow, are there plans to remove socket 775 from the market place in the near future?
 
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As others have said. Socket 775 is dead and gone already!

Yes if you stick a good processor in it it'll be fast enough but you will be gimped as far as future upgrades.

Buy socket AM3+ or AM3 and stick in high clocked Athlon II X4, it'll be just as fast as the Q-series but you'll have the possibility to upgrade up to a Phenom II X6 later.

Perhaps i should have said it like this. Is it likely that one would not be able to find a socket 775 cpu in 18 months? Honestly , I see no reason why he shouldnt order the 5200. Its a bad ass chip thats dirt cheap. The reason I ask the question , is in the unlikely event the chip fries or something.
It looks to me that even if he got an i5, its a different socket for sandy bridge so an i5 isnt exactly future proof either?
iow, are there plans to remove socket 775 from the market place in the near future?
Socket 775 CPU's are difficult to find now. In almost 2 years I doubt you'll find a socket 775 compatible CPU unless its second hand and/or overpriced.
 
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I would recommend you use http://tipidpc.com/ instead, way cheaper. PCExpress is too overpriced.
 
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775 maybe one of longest socket that stay alive. but for now if you run it, it is out of date. so if you want to upgrade later could be more expensive. the good thing of 775 is they are pretty cheap now and there many
but if you look for longer usage you better look for newer socket
 

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Yea you'll be able to find them easy enough for a long time to come.
 

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What's in my mind: wait for a AM3+ motherboard, plug in a cheap Athlon II x3 or similar for lowest cost, then slowly upgrade your way through, eventually hitting the 8 core Bulldozers. the 775 is 2 generations behind, the 1156 is being phased out slowly in favour of the 1155. Also, in 2 years time (which I assume is a good time to upgrade), new 775 chips will be next to impossible to find, and the market will be completely dominated by 2nd hand chips, and the prices might be horrible.

Off topic: I bought my laptop for £370 a year ago (bout 26k peso?), it was a very good deal. However, I am starting to regret it because while is a perfectly good buy, I need a much more powerful processor for all the data crunching I am currently doing.
 

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It's pretty amazing though how a quad 775 system is still pretty darn good.
 

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It's pretty amazing though how a quad 775 system is still pretty darn good.
I tell you what. My 4.11GHz overclocked dual core E8500 is pretty darn good! :D

It still goes like greased lightning and runs all the latest games very well.
 
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if you ask and we say nay yet you do it anyways you have no one to blame but yourself. everyone is advising you to do something different then what you want to do, what does that say?? it says 775 is dead do not buy into it maybe 2 years ago sure but it is dead.
 

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775 maybe one of longest socket that stay alive. but for now if you run it, it is out of date. so if you want to upgrade later could be more expensive. the good thing of 775 is they are pretty cheap now and there many
but if you look for longer usage you better look for newer socket
there are people out there who know there are other people looking for the 'last hurrah' of the 775 platform and wont sell the highend Q9xxx processors cheap. Ive seen some discusting prices on ebay. Its cheaper then it was when the 775 was in full production but not by much - lotta prices are still over £200 which is just insane as a i7 2600k costs a little more and totally burries the Q9xxx series in the sand (pun intended) even when the the Q9xxx is overclocked.

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I hope to be going to an i5 or i7 when i know the new motherboards are safe from intels chipset problems
 
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As others have said. Socket 775 is dead and gone already!

Yes if you stick a good processor in it it'll be fast enough but you will be gimped as far as future upgrades.

Buy socket AM3+ or AM3 and stick in high clocked Athlon II X4, it'll be just as fast as the Q-series but you'll have the possibility to upgrade up to a Phenom II X6 later.



Socket 775 CPU's are difficult to find now. In almost 2 years I doubt you'll find a socket 775 compatible CPU unless its second hand and/or overpriced.
What's in my mind: wait for a AM3+ motherboard, plug in a cheap Athlon II x3 or similar for lowest cost, then slowly upgrade your way through, eventually hitting the 8 core Bulldozers. the 775 is 2 generations behind, the 1156 is being phased out slowly in favour of the 1155. Also, in 2 years time (which I assume is a good time to upgrade), new 775 chips will be next to impossible to find, and the market will be completely dominated by 2nd hand chips, and the prices might be horrible.

Off topic: I bought my laptop for £370 a year ago (bout 26k peso?), it was a very good deal. However, I am starting to regret it because while is a perfectly good buy, I need a much more powerful processor for all the data crunching I am currently doing.
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AMD makes an effort maintain backward compatibility. Intel does not. With Intel, a new cpu almost always means a new board. Just take the difference between sandybridge 1155 and the previous 1156. Do you really believe that Intel couldn't have made that chip backward compatible to the 1156 boards?

The 775 socket is the only one that lasted more than one cpu generation in recent memory. But that socket is dead and gone. If he wants to "upgrade" on a 775 m/b it will be to a chip that will be 2-3 generations old by the time he is ready.

An AM3 board makes much more sense and you can be reasonably assured that if it is possible for future cpu's to be backward compatible, AMD will make versions that will be.

Bulldozer is the big question mark right now and most of what I've read seems to say that it will probably require a new socket. However I'm not up to date on Bulldozer news. Knowing AMD, if it is possible to make a BD version that will work in AM3 boards, then they will. You can't expect that from Intel.
 
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The AM3 platform is a dead end, though. AMD next-gen CPUs will be Bulldozer-based, and AMD have categorically stated that Bulldozer will not be compatible with AM3. All you can run on it are AM3 (and maybe AM2+) CPUs, so maybe stick it out for AM3+/AM4 in the summer?
 

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tnks for replies. I was really thinking intel because I do love my E5200. Its performed flawlessly and was so cheap and powerful with just a basic OC on stock air. If he had more money to play with I guess I would just go with the sandy bridge for socket reasons etc as previously stated. BUt, since this computer is being bought soon, I think a budget amd build is the way to go . am3+ doesnt even exist yet, BUT most every cpu out there now thats amd is am3 so there is a wide variety to choose from for at least a little while.
As of now, am thinking AMD Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition Callisto 3.2GHz...
Not so much for the potential to quad it out, but just for the ease at the multi. Havent revisited the whole dual v quad thing in a while, but iirc for something like playing mwll crysis mod two core may even be better than 4.
EIther way , if you have to make something on a serious budget, I dont see anything wrong with this cpu as a starting point.
am i right?
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It's not obsolete. Only thing it will miss out on is the upcoming PCI3 slots and SATA3. Other than that there are some nice dual core and quad core cpus and plenty of video cards that will keep it going a long time IMO.
 
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775 is EOL but my 775 rig still shits all over every gaming requirement. If you can buy a cheap 775 system, go for it.

Intel changes mobo designs more often than their underpants these days so it's not as though buying a newer platform gives you any more security.
 

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775 can own every single game out there, but the same cannot be said in 2 years time (unless you can see the future), and also if you finally want/need to move to a quad core (assuming OP buys a dual core right now), you are out of luck in the 775 line.

You will want the Athlon II x3 rather than the Phenom II x2, because the x3 performs better in games and its less risk of getting a "lemon" if you cannot unlock the x2. If you need the system right now, its best to get a cheap 7xx board with DDR3, and then upgrade board+proc when you need. The x3 is not a bad overclocker, they can hit 3.5 ish with good regularity (if I am not wrong). while the x2 is a better overclocker, you will want the extra core.
 
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also if you finally want/need to move to a quad core (assuming OP buys a dual core right now), you are out of luck in the 775 line.
What do you mean here?:confused:
 

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#24
You are using a Quad, OP is looking at a Dual core.
but hes telling the OP its only worthwhile staying with skt775 if he can get a high-end quad core
 
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#25
I see the confusion - I recommend the OP gets a quad 775 system if price and availability is their limitation because I don't feel that the 775 socket is a problem. For the record, a dual core will probably do just fine also, as I have a dual core system running just behind me and it can run BFBC2 no problems.