just bought a corsair h50

[TheMailMan78]

I am not willing to shed blood over this. Alls I'm trying to say is a 120mm rad is a waste, and it's packaged in a way I can't stand behind knowing about WC. Not that Corsair won't back you up, and not that it's bound to fail. Making clubs/spreading hype/going apesh!t over something that has been on the market for a while now confuses me. The enthusiasm over such a bland product is more annoying than the product itself. The great aspects of water cooling is not the price, but it's the hobby. If you want to learn to cool something to the best your ambient air temperatures can support then eat some ramen and save some money.

I saw somewhere above that Corsair even said not to use these for more than 2 years. Looks like I'm not a complete bumbling idiot eh?

Never said you were man. Just thought you were a chicken little thats all. The H50 is a simple cheap alternative to standard air cooling. Nothing more. Its never been stated to be the equivalent of a custom WC rig. It was designed to meet and beat the best AIR coolers for minor overclocking. In this job it does well. Put it up against a custom setup and you will have an epic fail.

What I don't understand is your passionate hate for a product that does exactly what its designed to do. The box says "Up to 30% better cooling than an OEM cooler". It never said "OMFG this is as good as custom WC!".

 

[Binge]

KKK thanked you. I don't see the correlation between me saying water cooling can be done better and people stating that this is competing with air. It's totally competing with air. That's a sad sad fact.

 

[TheMailMan78]

KKK thanked you. I don't see the correlation between me saying water cooling can be done better and people stating that this is competing with air. It's totally competing with air. That's a sad sad fact.

But you are attacking the cooler for doing what its meant to do. Cool a CPU better than a standard air cooler. It does a great job in what it was designed to do. What is so sad about that?

 

[Binge]

But you are attacking the cooler for doing what its meant to do. Cool a CPU better than a standard air cooler. It does a great job in what it was designed to do. What is so sad about that?

It doesn't cool better than all air coolers. It cools the same as a few now. There are now 3 air coolers that are equal to or better than the H50, and some older coolers, when lapped, end up matching the H50. People geek over the fact that it's cooled with water, but poor water cooling is just mediocre cooling.

 

[TheMailMan78]

It doesn't cool better than all air coolers. It cools the same as a few now. There are now 3 air coolers that are equal to or better than the H50, and some older coolers, when lapped, end up matching the H50. People geek over the fact that it's cooled with water, but poor water cooling is just mediocre cooling.

It cools just as well as most air coolers on the market without taking up the space as lets say a V10. Plus it can be had for 50 bucks on sale. Nevermind its a water cooler just look at it as a CPU cooler. The means on how it cools isn't important.

Your hung up on the fact its WC. But most are hung up on the fact its does exactly what its advertised to do. A decent alternative to air cooling.

 

[jjFarking]

Interesting thread you have here MailMan

Perhaps the major advantage the H50 has, is one that it does share with its bigger brethren (the Real WC setups), as opposed to straight air cooling, is that ambient air temps are less important (extremes excluded, of course).
Blowing warm air through a hot heatsink will never yield as great a cooling factor as warm air through a radiator, even if it's a small one like the one for the H50.

2¢

 

[Binge]

I'm hung up on this hype and how many H50 threads there are compared to threads made for products that can last for more than 2 years.

 

[Binge]

Perhaps the major advantage the H50 has, is one that it does share with its bigger brethren (the Real WC setups), as opposed to straight air cooling, is that ambient air temps are less important (extremes excluded, of course).
Blowing warm air through a hot heatsink will never yield as great a cooling factor as warm air through a radiator, even if it's a small one like the one for the H50.

2¢

That's BS. Once the radiator saturates if both coolers have the same fans both the 120mm heatsink and rad will see the same results.

 

[jjFarking]

I'm hung up on this hype and how many H50 threads there are compared to threads made for products that can last for more than 2 years.

True. But most of these require specific types of fans to work effectively. Granted, once you know which ones to use, they'll be awesome. Just depends on what one's preference is really.

 

[jjFarking]

That's BS. Once the radiator saturates if both coolers have the same fans both the 120mm heatsink and rad will see the same results.

How does that radiator get saturated?

 

[Binge]

True. But most of these require specific types of fans to work effectively. Granted, once you know which ones to use, they'll be awesome. Just depends on what one's preference is really.

Why so much BS??? I've just got to call you out on this.

Noctua NH-D14
Thermalright Venomous X
Thermalright IFX-14

Rads and Coolers both need good fans for optimal results... It's not just one kind of cooler or the other.

 

[pantherx12]

Going to have to agree with binge about heat saturation and ambient temps.

If you were in a room of 50c your minimum temps will be 50 c regardless of what equipment your using.

As for heat saturation even a small all in one system should take longer to saturated ( due to all the water) but its still going to get as hot eventually, maybe not even to long after .

So in those terms it makes didly squat difference.

 

[Binge]

How does that radiator get saturated?

It's called thermal mass, water and metal can only hold so much heat energy. When that heat energy is moved away from the material it is in this case moving the thermal mass into the air. Let's say we take the H50 and hook it up to my i7 and put some fans on it. I plan to do prime95 for say 2 hours. Normally it takes roughly 40 minutes for my air cooler to become completely saturated. The H50 may become saturated in 1 hour 20 minutes. So an extra 40 minutes of marginally better temps until everything levels off and it's just one 120mm cooling surface compared to another.

 

[jjFarking]

It's called thermal mass, water and metal can only hold so much heat energy. When that heat energy is moved away from the material it is in this case moving the thermal mass into the air. Let's say we take the H50 and hook it up to my i7 and put some fans on it. I plan to do prime95 for say 2 hours. Normally it takes roughly 40 minutes for my air cooler to become completely saturated. The H50 may become saturated in 1 hour 20 minutes. So an extra 40 minutes of marginally better temps until everything levels off and it's just one 120mm cooling surface compared to another.

Understood. Does that mean at saturation they both will be at the same temp then?
As for the fans, I simply meant that by reference the H50 already comes with a matching fan for the job. Possibly (even probably) not the greatest, but effective enough. The Venomous X doesn't come with one at all, so you need to find out which one would be best suited to its design.. that's all

 

[pantherx12]

That's what I've been saying, when these things are cheap they're a good buy.

Regardless of for for a water system they're performing badly they're still doing good in comparison to air.


You have to spend over here at least £70 on air in order for it to beat one of these systems, where as all these types of system retail for about 50. ( if your buying things brand new)


*edit* personally I prefer the smaller footprint and less weight these all in ones offer aswell.

Although I did like having my rig filled with thermalright heatsinks at one point ha ha

On a MATX mobo too so you could barely see the board.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I'm hung up on this hype and how many H50 threads there are compared to threads made for products that can last for more than 2 years.

But thats not the H50 fault. People got all geeky about MW2 also but that game sucked. Look at what the H50 is. Nothing more. A cheap alternative to air cooling with the advantage of a small footprint.

@ jjFarking Binge is right about thermal mass. Once the a rad becomes to heated it loses its cooling properties. However that only tends to happen on rigs that are extremely overclocked and thats not something the H50 is designed to do.

 

[Binge]

Yeah I've got no gripes over price and accessories. It's thiz hype. I can't stands it. There are much better fans than what comes with the H50, and if I owned one I would replace the fan and add another for push/pull. That's just it. If you can find this unit on sale and want to toot a horn about price/perf I tip my hat and it's great to be excited. If you have a perfectly good air cooler and extra fans and you just want to see what the buzz is all about then I has a problem with your thinking! >:O lol

 

[20mmrain]

I didn't read the whole post but a good suggestion for a case might be a Cooler Master Sniper. They are called Mid towers but the one I have is huge. Plus it gives you an area to expand (with video cards and other things getting so big these days.
It also has holes for water cooling. So no Mods would be necessary! I would mod your case just to fit a cooler. If anything I personally would buy a new case. Moding the case the way that is shown might work for some people but..... it could cause problems for others (ie..... air flow, and putting the side panel back on)

Here is a pic of my case showing you it has enough room......

Good Luck

 

[Kei]

Yeah I've got no gripes over price and accessories. It's thiz hype. I can't stands it. There are much better fans than what comes with the H50, and if I owned one I would replace the fan and add another for push/pull. That's just it. If you can find this unit on sale and want to toot a horn about price/perf I tip my hat and it's great to be excited. If you have a perfectly good air cooler and extra fans and you just want to see what the buzz is all about then I has a problem with your thinking! >:O lol

You could always stop clicking H50 threads...

All of the things you could do to the top of the line air coolers you can do to the H50 as well. Stock it absolutely needs a lapping job from the sample I tested. The same great fans that people tout for their super air coolers you can use on the H50. You can take that super fan and buy it a super friend to match...then the performance of this thing really begins to wow. All of those nice things and the price is still great while taking up very little precious space. It's very cost effective especially compared to the extreme air coolers which don't even come with their own fans. When I tested it even with crappy fans (not for radiator/heatsink applications) the H50 still did amazingly well.

This little H50 is a very good product in my book. As for life expectancy...how many of us keep a rig the same for 2+ years lol.

I wonder if this thread will ever go back to being helpful for those H50 owners... (that does not mean trying to show people the "error" of their ways )

Kei

 

[pantherx12]

Yeah I've got no gripes over price and accessories. It's thiz hype. I can't stands it. There are much better fans than what comes with the H50, and if I owned one I would replace the fan and add another for push/pull. That's just it. If you can find this unit on sale and want to toot a horn about price/perf I tip my hat and it's great to be excited. If you have a perfectly good air cooler and extra fans and you just want to see what the buzz is all about then I has a problem with your thinking! >:O lol

Seems we were disagreeing about nothing then

 

[TheMailMan78]

Yeah I've got no gripes over price and accessories. It's thiz hype. I can't stands it. There are much better fans than what comes with the H50, and if I owned one I would replace the fan and add another for push/pull. That's just it. If you can find this unit on sale and want to toot a horn about price/perf I tip my hat and it's great to be excited. If you have a perfectly good air cooler and extra fans and you just want to see what the buzz is all about then I has a problem with your thinking! >:O lol

Its funny you say that. The first thing I did was replace the fan and add another for a push pull config. Ill post pictures later today.

 

[Binge]

You could always stop clicking H50 threads...

I wonder if this thread will ever go back to being helpful for those H50 owners... (that does not mean trying to show people the "error" of their ways )

Kei

1) No, post count +1

2) Derailing this thread has made H50 owners better men by default.

3) Back to the stop clicking part... what? It's not even that hard for these people to use the search command and find what threads have already been started.

4) They will be better men by manning up and reading the instructions/learning to measure because this sh!t doesn't deserve a thread. Harmless fun at the OP & others' expense. I mean nothing malicious with this statement... ya bunch of sissies.

 

[TheMailMan78]

1) No, post count +1

2) Derailing this thread has made H50 owners better men by default.

3) Back to the stop clicking part... what? It's not even that hard for these people to use the search command and find what threads have already been started.

4) They will be better men by manning up and reading the instructions/learning to measure because this sh!t doesn't deserve a thread. Harmless fun at the OP & others' expense. I mean nothing malicious with this statement... ya bunch of sissies.

You're a H50mophobe.

 

[Binge]

You're a H50mophobe.

At least I'm not a H50mo. I could just hook my sample up again, but I'm sending it to someone who needs a POS.

 

[Kei]

You're a H50mophobe.