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If more people would start thinking like this. Goodbye energy crisis.
The only problem is that electricity doesn't just fall from the sky. And that's the main problem with all the eco maniacs and fanatics. They apparently all think electricity is generated by magic pixies. There are still loads of gas and coal power plants, nuclear reactors and even renewable resources like hydro energy doesn't come with its price tag. Hydro power plant dams also alter ecosystems significantly even though they don't directly polute them.

Besides, what they invented is basically a cordless tram and many cities still use buses that run on wires (i remember i've seen them in Budapest, Hungary few years ago). All they did was move the wires from above into the ground. Interesting but not all that new... it's just that technology matured enough to do it now.
 

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The only problem is that electricity doesn't just fall from the sky. And that's the main problem with all the eco maniacs and fanatics. They apparently all think electricity is generated by magic pixies. There are still loads of gas and coal power plants, nuclear reactors and even renewable resources like hydro energy doesn't come with its price tag. Hydro power plant dams also alter ecosystems significantly even though they don't directly polute them.

Besides, what they invented is basically a cordless tram and many cities still use buses that run on wires (i remember i've seen them in Budapest, Hungary few years ago). All they did was move the wires from above into the ground. Interesting but not all that new... it's just that technology matured enough to do it now.
The first paragraph is obvious and is not something that is forgotten, at least not here. Where electricity comes from is a huge deal. The second paragraph is not correct. Such trams are trains, these are normal electrical vehicles that can drive anywhere but are charged on the go.

I really don't see why people feel a need to "simplify" advances.
 

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If theirs nothing to receive the charge than the charge isn't going to move anywhere. It's not like this thing is shooting electricity into the air when theirs no buses.
as sasqui already said, its induction.

also, google for energy losses in power transmission.
that will give an idea of just how much power is wasted in just getting the electricity to that point.


the problem with "green people" are that they think, since electricity is cheap, it must not be burning a lot of fossil fuels :/
 

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Power= current X voltage (P=IV) IF no current is being drawn (inductive or otherwise) then the power line uses no power. There are losses due to resistance in the wire but these are generally only a few %

This is very much similar to how a water tower maintains pressure at it's base. If no water is being drawn through the water line then there is no loss in pressure.
that argument is not entirely true. take your gizmo charger for example..

there is a step down transformer in it that goes from the outlet voltage to a lower voltage nearer to the charging voltage (5V)
even if you dont have something being charged, it will still consume power.
 
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Phantom draw? das.dude

Somewhere, Nikola Tesla is saying "It's about fucking time!" :banghead:
 

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the problem with "green people" are that they think, since electricity is cheap, it must not be burning a lot of fossil fuels :/
Which it shouldn't, and that is a big part of that discussion.
 

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it's too early to know if this idea is going to be viable in the U.S.
 

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Science Fiction turns to Science
 

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From Frick's link on the main article:


Over 90% would be better but 85% isn't terrible...
Thats the maximum, but what is the real efficiency? I just don't see this being a benefit over what other systems are already doing with quick chargers that the bus automatically connects to along the route when it is stopped.

Besides the efficiency issue there is also the issue that the road has to be tore up and replaced to put the system in. I'm sure this is a much larger cost compared to installing new bus stops with built in chargers.
 

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Thats the maximum, but what is the real efficiency? I just don't see this being a benefit over what other systems are already doing with quick chargers that the bus automatically connects to along the route when it is stopped.

Besides the efficiency issue there is also the issue that the road has to be tore up and replaced to put the system in. I'm sure this is a much larger cost compared to installing new bus stops with built in chargers.
Note that only 5-15% of the lenght needs that actual cabling. Besides, roads require maintenance anyway, this would take some long term planning anyway and in that time frame it's probably not that difficult to schedule it.
 
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The first paragraph is obvious and is not something that is forgotten, at least not here. Where electricity comes from is a huge deal. The second paragraph is not correct. Such trams are trains, these are normal electrical vehicles that can drive anywhere but are charged on the go.

I really don't see why people feel a need to "simplify" advances.
It is correct. I don't know where else they also use them but i've seen them in Budapest. It looked like a normal bus with a "fork" looking thing on a top that connects to the wires above the road. The thing has quite a lot of reach so it can drive pretty much freely on the designated road. The bus had normal rubber wheels and it wasn't on rails or anything.
 
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it's too early to know if this idea is going to be viable in the U.S.
Not much is viable in the US... states can't even agree on a comprehensive rail system. It's a joke.
 

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If more people would start thinking like this. Goodbye energy crisis.
Depends on how you're generating the electricity ;)
 
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It really is sad. We've got an old infrastructure (including a political one) that makes progress akin to swimming in pudding.
 
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It is correct. I don't know where else they also use them but i've seen them in Budapest. It looked like a normal bus with a "fork" looking thing on a top that connects to the wires above the road. The thing has quite a lot of reach so it can drive pretty much freely on the designated road. The bus had normal rubber wheels and it wasn't on rails or anything.
ALthough it did make me think of a trolley bus as well, it simply isn't. Trolleybuses cannot take detours if certain streets are under maintenance, this bus can (it is not fully dependant on a constant electricty supply).

About the energy thing trolley busses use less energy on a macro level than diesel busses, as long as they are lighter (achievable, I suppose, if there are no fuel tanks/batteries) their increased efficiency over cumbustion based vehicles willl help conserving energy. And EVs are needed to be able to step away from fossil fuels because most renewable energy that is actually standing a chance (solar, geothermal, maybe nuclear fusion) leads to the need to use that energy in form of electricity.
 
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It is correct. I don't know where else they also use them but i've seen them in Budapest. It looked like a normal bus with a "fork" looking thing on a top that connects to the wires above the road. The thing has quite a lot of reach so it can drive pretty much freely on the designated road. The bus had normal rubber wheels and it wasn't on rails or anything.
San Francisco has electric trolley buses as well using overhead wires. I rode on a few back in 2009 when I visited that city. They even still have the classic cable cars as well.

 
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High tension powerlines basically buried under ground is all this is. This could be useful in heavy congested areas but useless anywhere else. Its a novel idea but nothing that will change the world or even mass transit.
I dont know about that, if it works and is efficient enough, england would be hammered with them all over the place.
manchester has a extensive tram network too which is being extended even now so they clearly could be bothered doing the hardwork of installing it if there was a benefit obv:)
 

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It really is sad. We've got an old infrastructure (including a political one) that makes progress akin to swimming in pudding.
its really sad that you guys have lost that awesomeness of the trains you had before. ive seen some line and they are in need of maintenance....
though the amtrak lines and the underground look good.
 

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Note that only 5-15% of the lenght needs that actual cabling. Besides, roads require maintenance anyway, this would take some long term planning anyway and in that time frame it's probably not that difficult to schedule it.
Tearing up 5-15% of the roads in a busy metropolitan area all at once is not something that is feasible in a lot of areas. Especially when I don't see a benefit to this over some of the systems that are already being put in place where the bus connects to a rail system when it stops at the stops and it is quick charged for 30-60secs while it is stopped, and the rail system is providing a pretty constant 95%+ transfer efficiency. I believe there is already a system like this in place in LA or somewhere in CA.
 
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its really sad that you guys have lost that awesomeness of the trains you had before. ive seen some line and they are in need of maintenance....
though the amtrak lines and the underground look good.
It's a mess and formerly subsidized Amtrack is not healthy. Here's a blurb from Wiki:

Passenger service is a different story. The sole intercity passenger railroad in the continental United States today is Amtrak. Commuter rail systems exist in more than a dozen metropolitan areas, but these systems are not extensively interconnected, so commuter rail cannot be used alone to traverse the country. Commuter systems have been proposed in approximately two dozen other cities, but interplays between various local-government administrative bottlenecks and ripple effects from the 2007–2012 global financial crisis have generally pushed such projects farther and farther into a nebulous future point in time, or have even sometimes mothballed them entirely.

The most culturally notable and physically evident exception to the general lack of significant passenger rail transport in the U.S. has been, and continues to be, the Northeast Corridor, which connects Washington and New York City with Boston and, jutting from those northern points, also other areas of Connecticut and Massachusetts. The corridor handles frequent train service that is both Amtrak and commuter. Meanwhile, New York City itself is noteworthy for high usage of passenger rail transport, meaning not just the New York City Subway system (which counts more as a short-haul metro system despite its fairly extensive network and relatively long lines) but also the Long Island Rail Road, the Metro-North Railroad extending into Connecticut, and links through the New Jersey Transit system to the Philadelphia-based Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority trains to points as far south as Newark, Delaware. The New York City Subway system is used by one third of all U.S. mass transit users.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transportation_in_the_United_States

A recent and sad article about Amtrack losing subsidies (that they enjoyed for more than a few decades): http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/u...sion-on-local-routes.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 

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Tearing up 5-15% of the roads in a busy metropolitan area all at once is not something that is feasible in a lot of areas. Especially when I don't see a benefit to this over some of the systems that are already being put in place where the bus connects to a rail system when it stops at the stops and it is quick charged for 30-60secs while it is stopped, and the rail system is providing a pretty constant 95%+ transfer efficiency. I believe there is already a system like this in place in LA or somewhere in CA.
Which is why this would probably be something that would be implemented over time. Also think about longer streches of road outside the metropolitan areas with heavy traffic, and the major shipping roads. Not just for busses, but trucks as well (which is what Volvo is working on).
 
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if we could harness the power of mailman's fap sessions i believe we could solve this problem rather easily.
 

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It's a mess and formerly subsidized Amtrack is not healthy. Here's a blurb from Wiki:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transportation_in_the_United_States

A recent and sad article about Amtrack losing subsidies (that they enjoyed for more than a few decades): http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/u...sion-on-local-routes.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
well, there is your problem. its not the self sufficient. it needs to be run on subsidies.
plus rail travel is not popular cross country, most people rather drive(which is faster since the trains run on slow lines) or go by air which i think will cost about the same.