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Larrabee 2.7x faster than GT200 in SGEMM

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It isn't canceled, it is delayed. They are moving forward with the GPGPU aspects of it until the DirectX/OpenGL drivers are sorted. Intel's driver programmers have a mountain of work there so it doesn't surprise me.
 
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Charlie Demerjian
'Nuff said.


Larrabee silicon and software development are behind where we had hoped to be at this point in the project. As a result, our first Larrabee product will not be launched as a standalone discrete graphics product, but rather be used as a software development platform for internal and external use.

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I don't see "canceled" in there anywhere.
 
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'Nuff said.



I don't see "canceled" in there anywhere.
It's canceled, because this silicon will never be released as a product. They will start again with a new chip, although they will be based on the current one and they will use this one for research. At least that's what I understand from the link. Probably that's the problem when you (Intel or the media) call the chip and the project the same. Larrabee the chip has been canceled, Larrabee the project postponed.
 
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It's canceled, because this silicon will never be released as a product. They will start again with a new chip, although they will be based on the current one and they will use this one for research. At least that's what I understand from the link. Probably that's the problem when you (Intel or the media) call the chip and the project the same. Larrabee the chip has been canceled, Larrabee the project postponed.
its not cancelled its going to the HPC market(where it should be) instead and will be delayed a little.

Intel will make it available as a software development platform for both internal and external developers
then I saw Charlie Demerjian and lol'd
 

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Yeah, HPC market is the goal in 2010. As I said previously, I think the D3D and OGL drivers are behind schedule so the GPU products have to wait until it catches up to the hardware. From what I read, it sounds like the same Larrabee chip is at the heart of them both. Whether or not the chips that do get released can be upgraded to GPUs when the time comes depends if the HPC cards have display out ports or not.
 
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After reading other links than the one I posted, yep, I realized you are both correct. At first, I thought it was going to be distributed in short quantities as a means for developers to learn to program for the architecture.

Intel will make it available as a software development platform for both internal and external developers
It was "internal" which tricked me actually. Doesn't the wording of that sentence suggest it's going to be in limited quantities? But the sentence was clearly out of context according to what we read in other sources.

And this is a little bit off-topic, but how does this affect Project Offset? Wasn't it meant to be released with Larrabee or around the same time? It can become the most delayed game in history, after DNF.
 
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G300 and hemlock both are faster than canceled larrabee
 

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It was "internal" which tricked me actually. Doesn't the wording of that sentence suggest it's going to be in limited quantities? But the sentence was clearly out of context according to what we read in other sources.
Yeah, why would Intel want to distribute it internally? Are they saying their driver developers are working with vaporware/emulators now?

It almost sounds like Intel is launching a beta for "external" HPC development and they are distributing them internally for HPC development and (or not) GPU development. I guess what I walk away with is that the card released in 2010 will still be in beta and cards ready for mass release won't be until at least 2011.

In other words, Intel's investors are starting to shake their fists at the project so they have to push something out to keep it alive.


And this is a little bit off-topic, but how does this affect Project Offset? Wasn't it meant to be released with Larrabee or around the same time? It can become the most delayed game in history, after DNF.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....mmmmmmmmm...

Larrabee, Havok, and Project Offset all go hand in hand, clearly. Project Offset would be an engine that can make full use of the scalability of Larrabee and Havok on Larrabee is akin to PhsyX on GeForce 8 Series and up. I think Project Offset would be available before the card launches (the engine, at least) so that the Larrabee card would have a strong launch line up. The question is: where is the development hold up (Larrabee hardware, Larrabee software, Project Offset engine, Havok on Larrabee, etc.)?

I think what is certain is that Intel put too much money into Larrabee (acquiring Havok, acquiring Project Offset, acquiring several former employees of NVIDIA, etc.) to let it die. They are committed to seeing it through, for better or worse.
 
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I thought that this Larrabee was canceled except in software form? Why would we still be debating it. I thought the reason that they canceled it was because that it perpetually kept getting postponed?
Sure it would be great to get more competition out there to keep prices down. But it doesn't look like it will happen when you can get a 5870/5970 with better performance right now.
 

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Nehalem was perpetually canceled (circa 2000) until it was launched (circa 2008).
 
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Nehalem was perpetually canceled (circa 2000) until it was launched (circa 2008).
This isn't Nehalem though....... But I do stand corrected:)
 

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#88
infinity ≠ infinity

if b=a!, then clearly b is >> a for any a>2

so what is b as a→∞?

therefore, infinity ≠ infinity

QED
this depends purely on the definition of your arithmetic operations.
typically the basic idea is inf+x=inf and inf-x=inf. this means that your limit operator will not "increase" anything