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Legality of TPU Hosting DLSS DLLs

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I personally simply find sw licences an interesting topic, and there is nothing wrong with finding them boring either.
All good buddy. I guess my question was directed more towards the OP.

Ahh geez. I started page 13.
 
Oh ok. I see you know this as fact. Pardon me. I don't know the owner, but I am fucking positive he would not break any kind of laws with a site like this. There may not be a team but sure as shit he has a good lawyer, and you would be silly to think otherwise. I am truly astounded by the tears in this thread..

@claes , is THE attorney.
To be sure, I am not an attorney for TPU. I don’t know if @W1zzard has one, but given that most (all?) of the editors and reviewers are volunteers I assumed they don’t. I meant no offense @freeagent, nor do I think W1zzard has any malicious intent, and maybe I’m wrong and TPU has an army of lawyers :shrug:

Aside, I wouldn’t take legal advice from Lex, as not only are they not a lawyer, but they also don’t seem to understand basic civil law, their rights as a property/business owner, and have frequently referenced Canadian YouTube lawyers and infowars correspondents to warrant their legal claims. Not trying to start a flame war, just a matter of fact. Fortunately he’s blocked me so hopefully all is well. :)

Still, as a lawyer who doesn’t specialize in IP law, I don’t think nvidia cares about this at all — but don’t take my word for it. It is curious what fair-use means in this context!
 
Look people, this was explained in the first two pages of comments including my first comment on this topic (back on page 2).

If Nvidia wanted TechPowerUp to stop hosting these dlls, they would have issued a DMCA takedown notice. They haven't so clearly they don't mind.

Remember that FOR YEARS TPU has hosted a variety of Nvidia software, including but not limited to driver software, various utilities, BIOS files, graphics demos, et cetera ad nauseam.

Same with AMD files. Same with Intel files. Same with Microsoft files. Start to see a pattern here?

Watching people argue about this has been hilariously entertaining so thanks to most of you who didn't understand. Even other tech media sites have smugly noted this discussion.

I am eagerly waiting for TPU to post a different set of Nvidia files so the same silliness can start up again.

This is almost as good as bodybuilders arguing about how many days in a week.

Keep it up people! The Internet needs you! THANK YOU!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

:D:lovetpu::peace:
 
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Just for the record, this is perfectly legal.
I mean,
Strictly speakjng, it's not, which is why this thread exists.

It also really doesn't matter, which is why this thread is way, way too long.

Reference: I am not a lawyer, but I work for a group that handles legal transcripts, so I'm familiar with a lot more than the average frog.

most (all?) of the editors and reviewers are volunteers
For the record I am pretty sure all editors are paid. I know I was when I worked the news team role.
 
I had no idea — that’s great!
 
As a software engineer who puts licenses on his software, knowing that people are going to abide by those agreements is kind of important to me. I actually don't really care about nVidia, just that rights regarding intellectual property is respected because that's what earns me a living and if I come up with a good idea and I want to restrict how my work can be used, that should be my right, just as it's nVidia's right as a company.

All I'm saying is that laws regarding IP are important and it's a little irritating when it appears that they're not being respected, regardless of the justification for it.
If Nvidia wanted TechPowerUp to stop hosting these dlls, they would have issued a DMCA takedown notice. They haven't so clearly they don't mind.
Or maybe it takes time to review these cases to see if it warrants action.
 
As a software engineer who puts licenses on his software, knowing that people are going to abide by those agreements is kind of important to me. I actually don't really care about nVidia, just that rights regarding intellectual property is respected because that's what earns me a living and if I come up with a good idea and I want to restrict how my work can be used, that should be my right, just as it's nVidia's right as a company.

All I'm saying is that laws regarding IP are important and it's a little irritating when it appears that they're not being respected, regardless of the justification for it.

Or maybe it takes time to review these cases to see if it warrants action.
Unlikely based on TPU's LONG HISTORY OVER YEARS of hosting certain other Nvidia software.

There's a very high probability that Nvidia's legal department has some sort of internal guidelines for what can and what cannot be allowed to be hosted by third parties. They know that whatever they post (like developer versions of graphics drivers that have the anti-mining code disabled) may prove to be tempting for some parties on the Internet to recirculate.

Moreover it's not like DLSS was announced last week. It's been around for a few years now like the DLSS 1.0 dll that shipped with the Metro Exodus.

It's not Nvidia's first rodeo. They were founded over twenty years ago. They aren't that stupid. And their legal department most certainly isn't run by 25-year-old snot-nosed newbs. It's amusing to see people here treat Nvidia like they're a bunch of amateurs.

Remember that DLSS dlls aren't some sort of magic bullet. The game title needs to be written to take advantage of DLSS. It's not like I can drop DLSS 2.2.10 into Overwatch and turn into an Overwatch world champion overnight due to enhanced graphics.

But I realize that some people will try to cover their behinds by digging deep for unrealistic justifications.

What's the cutoff point for you? One month? One year? Ten years?

Just wondering...

:p

And THANK YOU for added to the entertainment value of this discussion!

:D
 
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Look people, this was explained in the first two pages of comments including my first comment on this topic (back on page 2).

If Nvidia wanted TechPowerUp to stop hosting these dlls, they would have issued a DMCA takedown notice. They haven't so clearly they don't mind.

Remember that FOR YEARS TPU has hosted a variety of Nvidia software, including but not limited to driver software, various utilities, BIOS files, graphics demos, et cetera ad nauseam.

Same with AMD files. Same with Intel files. Same with Microsoft files. Start to see a pattern here?

Watching people argue about this has been hilariously entertaining so thanks to most of you who didn't understand. Even other tech media sites have smugly noted this discussion.

I am eagerly waiting for TPU to post a different set of Nvidia files so the same silliness can start up again.

This is almost as good as bodybuilders arguing about how many days in a week.

Keep it up people! The Internet needs you! THANK YOU!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

:D:lovetpu::peace:
But you forgot the popcorn!

Son, I am disappoint. :shadedshu:
 
I ran out of popcorn a long time ago due to the lengthy festivities!

:toast:
 
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I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the points I laid out and why the other things that have been redistributed have been done in a way where it makes sense for them to be and haven't been in directly conflict (in my opinion,) with the license. Not all software licenses enforce the same requirements.

It's really not hard to understand that a license means what it says, even if what it says is hard to understand. Honestly, I think nVidia's license is pretty clear. A lot more clear than some other licenses I've seen. It's strict, but clear.
 
I'd argue whatever license Nvidia claims is pretty much enforceable only under the "laws of the land" i.e. Nvidia may have have a claim but unless they plan to fight it in Germany, China, India or wherever else it doesn't mean jack!
 
It's really not hard to understand that a license means what it says, even if what it says is hard to understand.

The main issue, is most of the people spewing corporate this or corporate dogs that have just unlikely ever achieved life goals that violating licenses can render moot in a flash.

IE: Salaries over $100k.

When you have a lot to lose, you pay attention to the details. Or ignore them at your choice (and peril). I don't know about you, but I like to be able to buy $300 bottles of alcohol because I worked my ass off and sacrificed.
 
The main issue, is most of the people spewing corporate this or corporate dogs that have just unlikely ever achieved life goals that violating licenses can render moot in a flash.

IE: Salaries over $100k.

When you have a lot to lose, you pay attention to the details. Or ignore them at your choice (and peril). I don't know about you, but I like to be able to buy $300 bottles of alcohol because I worked my ass off and sacrificed.

anyone and their mom can become a semi-truck driver in USA - 60k starting and 90k within 7 years. several people I know make 100k a year just driving the big rigs. it's so in-demand, they offer free training. literally anyone in USA can change their stars overnight by making a simple phone call to a trucking company.

funny how so many choose not to.
 
So some snitch here really reported this to Nvidia? This has to be the most pathetic thing I've heard in a while. Not like I think Nvidia is going to care anyways. But talk about corporate mind control, sheesh!
 
anyone and their mom can become a semi-truck driver in USA - 60k starting and 90k within 7 years. several people I know make 100k a year just driving the big rigs. it's so in-demand, they offer free training. literally anyone in USA can change their stars overnight by making a simple phone call to a trucking company.

funny how so many choose not to.

Probably because it’s a terrible job :)
 
Probably because it’s a terrible job :)

it's all about perspective imo, better than fast food, and those fast food employees can go apply to be semi-truck drivers too.

no boss breathing down your throat, can listen to audiobooks all day (some people enjoy that a lot), or podcasts, etc.
 
I get how licensing affects you, but your name isn’t on any of this stuff.. and they are not your employer so it has nothing to do with you at all. That is why I am confused. It should have no bearing on your life at all is what I’m getting at. All this licensing talk makes me way to open up torrent or something.
 
I'd argue whatever license Nvidia claims is pretty much enforceable only under the "laws of the land" i.e. Nvidia may have have a claim but unless they plan to fight it in Germany, China, India or wherever else it doesn't mean jack!
That's basically the end conclusion all of us (except some stubborn types) have reached.

So some snitch here really reported this to Nvidia? This has to be the most pathetic thing I've heard in a while. Not like I think Nvidia is going to care anyways. But talk about corporate mind control, sheesh!
Read the thread, he's a developer who has explained his reasoning. In short the agreement requires him to do so.

I don't think many of us have troble understanding Aquinus's rationale there.
 
The main issue, is most of the people spewing corporate this or corporate dogs that have just unlikely ever achieved life goals that violating licenses can render moot in a flash.

IE: Salaries over $100k.

When you have a lot to lose, you pay attention to the details. Or ignore them at your choice (and peril). I don't know about you, but I like to be able to buy $300 bottles of alcohol because I worked my ass off and sacrificed.
They've probably never produced IP that's worthy of having a license to protect it either. Most people don't produce IP, they use it.
 
I mean, I don't really get what's so hard to understand.

A lot of my projects are OSS that require the license to be distrubuted with them, and that they remain non-commercial works.

If I found out someone incorperated it for example into a product without a license, or sold it in a commerical product, I'd be pissed. And you'd probably understand that. This is the same emotion driving Aquinus. Because it can and does happen and this is the culture that enables it.
 
So some snitch here really reported this to Nvidia? This has to be the most pathetic thing I've heard in a while. Not like I think Nvidia is going to care anyways. But talk about corporate mind control, sheesh!
Sooo, I agreed to a license that says I need to notify nVidia when I see something that I might suspect is a violation of the license, on top of the fact that I'm an engineer with licenses on his own work. I would rather nVidia come back and make sure that TPU does it in a way that's in the spirit of the license. I didn't notify them because I hate TPU or I want it taken down. I want the license to be respected, that's all, because I would expect that same level of respect with any other software. People work hard to produce software, I know I do.

I mean, I don't really get what's so hard to understand.

A lot of my projects are OSS that require the license to be distrubuted with them, and that they remain non-commercial works.

If I found out someone incorperated it for example into a product without a license, or sold it in a commerical product, I'd be pissed. And you'd probably understand that. This is the same emotion driving Aquinus. Because it can and does happen and this is the culture that enables it.
Most of my personal works are under the eclipse license. Not all of it, but everything I want to share publicly. There are a handful of GPL works, but I don't tend to use that license these days. Eclipse and MIT are my go-to licenses depending on the need. Anything closed source is a "I hold all rights to this software" kind of deal because most of it hasn't been released for people to consume. Those are the ideas I keep under lock and key.
 
I mean, I don't really get what's so hard to understand.

A lot of my projects are OSS that require the license to be distrubuted with them, and that they remain non-commercial works.

If I found out someone incorperated it for example into a product without a license, or sold it in a commerical product, I'd be pissed. And you'd probably understand that. This is the same emotion driving Aquinus. Because it can and does happen and this is the culture that enables it.

I still don't understand why W1zz just doesn't email Nvidia and ask, I know he has to have connections there for his review samples. It would make this thread end quickly anyway whatever the answer may be.
 
I still don't understand why W1zz just doesn't email Nvidia and ask, I know he has to have connections there for his review samples. It would make this thread end quickly anyway whatever the answer may be.
Have you ever tried to email nVidia? They don't always respond and you sometimes need to poke them a bit to get even the most simple of responses.

...but your right. They're the ones you'd want to get the ok from, but even then, I'd be skeptical because of the license. I'd prefer nVidia update the license as opposed to making exceptions.
 
Have you ever tried to email nVidia? They don't always respond and you sometimes need to poke them a bit to get even the most simple of responses.

yeah but he has contacts I thought? how else does he get his review samples?
 
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