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Seems like threads like this one start out with good intentions. Participants get an opportunity to voice their opinion. A few keep the thread going trying to convince the opposition that they are wrong. When that fails it's just page after page of repeating the same arguments over and over.
 
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Seems like threads like this one start out with good intentions. Participants get an opportunity to voice their opinion. A few keep the thread going trying to convince the opposition that they are wrong. When that fails it's just page after page of repeating the same arguments over and over.

and there are people posting stuff like you and me now that is not really part of the discussion but more about the discussion itself which does not add anything either, just filler from people shouting from the sidelines :p
 
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Hi,
Any other thread would be locked a long time ago.
Just beating a dead horse.
 

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I expect savvy advertisers to use a variety of methods to assess website traffic so of which are likely below the radar of dilettantes.

Remember that website traffic is a vector for malware distribution. This is why I use ad blocking: for security reasons, not anti-ad reasons. I started with the Internet Junkbuster proxy tool back in the late 90s. Security was less of any issue back then but the scales tipped about 15 years ago.

Surfing the Internet without an ad blocker is like driving your car without a seatbelt in 2021.
also @moproblems99

We only do direct ad sales these days, no Google Adsense or other shit that tracks you and freeze/slow down the page.
This means we're the only people who have your tracking info, and I'm not giving it away to advertisers.
We also require banners to be JPG/PNG/GIF only, so no security risks. If GIF, only lightly animated.
Advertisers do get reports of course, but these are (intentionally) not fine-grained enough to track individuals.
Our ad server (which I wrote) only logs anonymized IPs (x.y.z.a becomes x.y.z.0)
 
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@W1zzard , personally, I don't really have an issue with ads, revenue needs to be made. I only have an issue with Google and Facebook because they are abusive, intrusive, assclowns.

GASP! I also don't use an ad blocker.
 
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Isn't that what the Internet really is fundamentally? A bunch of people talking to themselves?
No, sometimes people actually talk to other people.
 
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Secretly, I lose arguments to myself all the time. Unsecretly, the other guy is an asshole. Shhhhhhh.....don't tell him.

It's hard to have a fake argumentwwith yourself.
 
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So you are telling me you all exist in my head?

Ah hell no. I'm stupid.

(burned myself and you guys in one joke, enjoy)
 
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So, in legal context, this thread presented an interesting situation. I got in touch with a few old colleagues and they reviewed the goings-on here. They also took a chance to look at the subject matter(downloads). There has been some interesting discussion. Here are the conclusions(a few of which I do not agree with but yield to their judgment):

1. TPU is neither breaking the law nor violating, on any level, NVidia's rights. As such...

2. NVidia has no claim for wrong-going or damages against TPU.

3. The user(or users) who made the "report" to NVidia under the guise of contractual obligations desperately need to consult with an attorney as their understanding of the portion of the contract they've referenced is disturbingly flawed. Assuming their motivations were of good intentions and were not malicious, they did themselves nor NVidia ANY favors.(This underlined potion is what I disagree with as these actions outside of a legal procedural context can only be interpreted as malicious intent, but that's just my opinion.)

4. Referencing point "3", if TPU could prove damages as a result of the actions taken, the users who made the reports could and would be libel for the damages done. TPU would have full rights to take legal action to seek compensation for those damages.

5. Whatever reports that were made were not done with the assistance of legal counsel and through proper legal procedure, as would be required by law for contractual clause obligation actions.

6. Referencing point "5", when action of a nature such as that with has been discussed in this thread has been taken one DOES NOT discuss it in an open and public forum!

To those users who took it upon themselves to take "action" and make "reports" to NVidia about TPU, you desperately need to get in touch with an attorney and listen to them when they tell you to STFU. Your stated actions in this situation are legally libelous because you did not do them in the context of proper legal procedure. This is CLEARLY evident by the fact that you have both publically stated that you made the reports AND that you were doing so under the guise of contractual obligations. No licensed and practicing attorney would do any less than to instruct you to refrain from discussing the matter with anyone not directly involved in the situation and not under oath.
 
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AHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH fake news.

No sources other than Anonymous Colleagues.
 

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So much bitterness.. why? You did this to yourself lol..
 
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So much bitterness.. why? You did this to yourself lol..
Not sure who you respond to but when a specific user says everyone else is always wrong and never provides any sort of sources to back up their claims....they get branded fake news.
 

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Not sure who you respond to but when a specific user says everyone else is always wrong and never provides any sort of sources to back up their claims....they get branded fake news.
Sorry, it was the lukewarm of the moment..

I'm not a lawyer. I wont tell you how far I made it in school either because you would believe me lol.. Not really sure why I speak sometimes if I am honest. Been home for 8 months and don't talk to anyone except my family.. probably has something to do with it.
 

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So, in legal context, this thread presented an interesting situation. I got in touch with a few old colleagues and they reviewed the goings-on here. They also took a chance to look at the subject matter(downloads). There has been some interesting discussion. Here are the conclusions(a few of which I do not agree with but yield to their judgment):

1. TPU is neither breaking the law nor violating, on any level, NVidia's rights. As such...

2. NVidia has no claim for wrong-going or damages against TPU.

3. The user(or users) who made the "report" to NVidia under the guise of contractual obligations desperately need to consult with an attorney as their understanding of the portion of the contract they've referenced is disturbingly flawed. Assuming their motivations were of good intentions and were not malicious, they did themselves nor NVidia ANY favors.(This underlined potion is what I disagree with as these actions outside of a legal procedural context can only be interpreted as malicious intent, but that's just my opinion.)

4. Referencing point "3", if TPU could prove damages as a result of the actions taken, the users who made the reports could and would be libel for the damages done. TPU would have full rights to take legal action to seek compensation for those damages.

5. Whatever reports that were made were not done with the assistance of legal counsel and through proper legal procedure, as would be required by law for contractual clause obligation actions.

6. Referencing point "5", when action of a nature such as that with has been discussed in this thread has been taken one DOES NOT discuss it in an open and public forum!

To those users who took it upon themselves to take "action" and make "reports" to NVidia about TPU, you desperately need to get in touch with an attorney and listen to them when they tell you to STFU. Your stated actions in this situation are legally libelous because you did not do them in the context of proper legal procedure. This is CLEARLY evident by the fact that you have both publically stated that you made the reports AND that you were doing so under the guise of contractual obligations. No licensed and practicing attorney would do any less than to instruct you to refrain from discussing the matter with anyone not directly involved in the situation and not under oath.
Epic, love it, especially the bold bit.

The whole lot (this whole thread) can be summarised as be grateful for what W1zzard has done for the community by hosting the files and enjoy them without causing trouble over nothing. STFU indeed.
 
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That’s a good question. I have no idea what is going on in lex’s head.
Not sure who you respond to but when a specific user says everyone else is always wrong and never provides any sort of sources to back up their claims....they get branded fake news.
Yup, struck a nerve.

Hey children, go talk to a qualified attorney...
 
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I don't need to, a very powerful, experienced attorney just laid down the law of the universe.

Sorry, it was the lukewarm of the moment..

I'm not a lawyer. I wont tell you how far I made it in school either because you would believe me lol.. Not really sure why I speak sometimes if I am honest. Been home for 8 months and don't talk to anyone except my family.. probably has something to do with it.
You would be floored if you knew what I did for a living. I have a feeling, most people would be floored at what others do
 
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So, can I extract a DLL from the SDK and sell it to AMD? /s ;):D
 
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