Legality of TPU Hosting DLSS DLLs

[lexluthermiester]

Who the hell would use the postal service is the better question...

Lots of people, I do it weekly if not daily and not just packages. Your attempt at a point failed.

That's not how the law works at all.

You think not, huh? The United States Federal Courts would disagree with you.

Groklaw - Digging for Truth

Dig in.. But I warn you, the devil is in the details..

 

[R-T-B]

You think not, huh? The United States Federal Courts would disagree with you.

That's patent law and it's a whole different animal. Of course, you knew that.

Lots of people, I do it weekly if not daily and not just packages. Your attempt at a point failed.

I mean, seriously, when an email would suffice? It was a joke anyways man... you really are illustrating why this needs to be closed.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That's patent law and it's a whole different animal. Of course, you knew that.

Like I said, the devil is in the details. And there is A LOT more than just patent law available for review there. Pay careful attention to the SCO vs IBM data and documentation. Oh, and for the record, while the circumstances differ, the legal context is the real kicker. These two "animals" are not so different.

I mean, seriously, when an email would suffice?

Emails don't always get to the right people. Physical letters delivered to the legal dept of a large corporation however generally do. Why? Because they are legal documents of consequence and review is required by law. That is why the mail is still used. If you had the experience with the legal system that you claim, you would know this detail.

It was a joke anyways man...

Oh, sure it was...

you really are illustrating why this needs to be closed.

Irony, again.

@W1zzard, for the love of god man make it stop.

IF he were going to do that, he would have done it 16 pages ago when a number of us(myself included) suggested it. He WANTS this conversation to happen and it should be plainly, painfully obvious why to everyone who does not have their head in the sand, up their bum or both.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Frankly, its very sad and disappointing to see senior members act this way,

Usually that's me. Though i do agree, i would have thought senior members would have grown out of the need for a dummy long ago, let alone throwing them at each other.

Maybe this thread should just be closed, i think it has definitely run it's course.

 

[Aquinus]

Usually that's me. Though i do agree, i would have thought senior members would have grown out of the need for a dummy long ago, let alone throwing them at each other.

Maybe this thread should just be closed, i think it has definitely run it's course.

Clearly I struck a nerve because I stopped quite some time ago. I just check back to see how much shit has been flung in my absence.

Honestly, I've been very clear about my beliefs about this. If nVidia really doesn't care if their stuff is redistributed, they should update the license and call it a day.

 

[dorsetknob]

I just check back to see how much shit has been flung in my absence.

? By Nail biters that don't wash their hands ????????????

 

[moproblems99]

And welcome to TPU. Seriously, not all conversations are like this on here.

Don't fill him with lies, he's new.

That's not how the law works at all. But it is the practicalities of the matter and as I think no one really cares anymore, I too vote this be closed. This thread has become an attempt to mock any legitimate attempt to understand, and as it doesn't matter anymore why keep it?

Just want to note I said that 20 pages ago.

You think not, huh? The United States Federal Courts would disagree with you.
Groklaw - Digging for Truth Dig in.. But I warn you, the devil is in the details..

OMG!

Emails don't always get to the right people. Physical letters delivered to the legal dept of a large corporation however generally do. Why? Because they are legal documents of consequence and review is required by law. That is why the mail is still used. If you had the experience with the legal system that you claim, you would know this detail.

Are you saying legal department are legally required to read all the spam they get, like ads?

 

[freeagent]

I thought it was informative.. I should have made my comments after not before I read so my apologies for that.

 

[qubit]

Don't fill him with lies, he's new

Haha stop it!

 

[R-T-B]

I forwarded Lex's legal summary to a Personal Injury attorney I was working with this morning from Fuller and Fuller group, on our private ms teams chat.

His reply amused me:

It's a dated meme Sir, but it checks out.

PS: Don't take this as serious legal advice. It's a meme photoreply for god sake.

 

[moproblems99]

I forwarded Lex's legal summary to a Personal Injury attorney I was working with this morning from Fuller and Fuller group, on our private ms teams chat.

His reply amused me:

View attachment 209269

It's a dated meme Sir, but it checks out.

PS: Don't take this as serious legal advice. It's a meme photoreply for god sake.

There case settled. From one non-anonymous legal expert compared to another.

I hearby bang my gavel and announce we are back to square 1!

 

[R-T-B]

He said he wasn't even going to start to dissect it, but the parts on "Libel" (he said it would be "tort") were particularly flawed. He didn't really want to comment on the whole dll law thing.

I'd link him here but I like my working relationships. I probably shouldn't even have named the group, but I am waking up, and I know the individual would not care too much at least.

 

[Jacky_BEL]

from wikipedia about "Legal aspects of file sharing"

The Court held that "Merely making a copy available does not constitute distribution....The statute provides copyright holders with the exclusive right to distribute "copies" of their works to the public "by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending." 17 U.S.C. ...106(3). Unless a copy of the work changes hands in one of the designated ways, a "distribution" under ...106(3) has not taken place." The Court also expressly rejected the 'offer to distribute' theory suggested in Barker, holding that "An offer to distribute does not constitute distribution".

Any bearing on TPU hosting the DLSS DLL files?

 

[basco]

is this still a thang !
summer time and heat is not good for everybody

 

[moproblems99]

He said he wasn't even going to start to dissect it, but the parts on "Libel" (he said it would be "tort") were particularly flawed. He didn't really want to comment on the whole dll law thing.

I'd link him here but I like my working relationships. I probably shouldn't even have named the group, but I am waking up, and I know the individual would not care too much at least.

I know it wasn't clear in my post, but I appreciate your additional detail in the previous post. At least showing and effort you didn't pull it out of your ass.

I'd like to make the suggestion we start doing a Facebook type thing where problematic posts that are clear misinformation could be flagged.

Imagine this thread?

from wikipedia about "Legal aspects of file sharing"

The Court held that "Merely making a copy available does not constitute distribution....The statute provides copyright holders with the exclusive right to distribute "copies" of their works to the public "by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending." 17 U.S.C. ...106(3). Unless a copy of the work changes hands in one of the designated ways, a "distribution" under ...106(3) has not taken place." The Court also expressly rejected the 'offer to distribute' theory suggested in Barker, holding that "An offer to distribute does not constitute distribution".

Any bearing on TPU hosting the DLSS DLL files?

Pretty interesting because they argued in court long ago that making mp3s available was not a good thing.

 

[Jacky_BEL]

Not that it matters in this case, but mp3's had monetary value because the original music was sold , the standalone DLL is in a freely available download, so there is no monetary damage.

Does that make any sense?

 

[R-T-B]

Not that it matters in this case, but mp3's had monetary value because the original music was sold , the standalone DLL is in a freely available download, so there is no monetary damage.

Does that make any sense?

I don't know, that's an interesting take. It would seemingly limit TPU's damages to almost nothing in that instance, but wouldn't mean that they are strictly "legally clear." They could still be ordered to stop, they just wouldn't have to pay any real restitution.

I think the bottom line at this point though is everyone realizes, the die has been cast and unless TPU is asked to stop, it won't. And that's probably fine. We've all notified the people we felt obligated to and anyone who feels they need (or need not) to act now certainly can. We all feel good now. Is that such a bad thing?

And we ALL need to acknowledge that this is effectlively /r/legaladvice for w1zzards amusement. If he really needs help, he can consult a lawyer. None of this qualifies or should pretend to.

 

[Jacky_BEL]

If one is going to notify suspected acts of "distribution" to a corporate legal department because one feels legally obligated, than one needs to know the legal notion of "distribution".
Especially if one boasts to "know how to read a freaking license".

Clearly "distribution" is different in commercial legal terms than in everyday language.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I forwarded Lex's legal summary to a Personal Injury attorney

Because of course they would know about copyright law. Now to be fair, they would need to know about contract law.

(he said it would be "tort")

True.

I was working with this morning from Fuller and Fuller group

Wait, THIS Fuller & Fuller?

Personal Injury Attorney Serving Olympia & Tacoma | Fuller & Fuller

Experienced injury lawyers handling car & truck accidents, and other personal injury claims. Contact Fuller & Fuller for a FREE case review.

www.fullerlaw.com

Yeah, there's a group of attorney's you want to take advice from. LMAO

I probably shouldn't even have named the group

Oh, you think?

 

[maxfly]

I hate to break to you guys cuz i know your enjoying the back and forth so much(the neanderthal in me would like to see you go at it in a ring for a couple rounds) but honest to god,
no
one
cares.
TPU still has the dlls posted. The sites reputation is intact despite the snitching. All is good on the northern front.

 

[spnidel]

so how about that lawsuit, is it there yet, or are you still flinging shit at each other in this typical passive aggressive pussy manner?

 

[lexluthermiester]

passive aggressive

To be fair, the mods frown on direct aggression.

pussy manner?

Over to you claes..

 

[R-T-B]

Wait, THIS Fuller & Fuller?

Yes, to be fair, they are in court a lot.

 

[spnidel]

To be fair, the mods frown on direct aggression.

don't care, not an active member of this community, nor am I being paid to post, if I end up getting banned that's OK

 

[lexluthermiester]

don't care, not an active member of this community, nor am I being paid to post, if I end up getting banned that's OK

Oh, my bad, I didn't mean you personally. Was speaking generally.

Yes, to be fair, they are in court a lot.

I'm sure you're right.